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camparkinson
Post #136
Sunday June 9, 2019 1:19am

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bjelks you never have said something I agreed with more.

time to move on from tab...

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Post #137
Sunday June 9, 2019 2:32am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,306
Original post from hamsamwich

Also @2tone- I think it's all but a done deal that Raphael Wicky is going to move up to the u20s next cycle along with the players.


Read that too. Wicky is too experienced to just be a U17 coach of the USYNT. From everything I was seen/read, he has done a lot in a short amount of time. Has the u17s playing great soccer. So if he can bring his experience, his tactics, and get the most out of his selections. He will be worth his weight in gold.

I like Tab but like pretty much everyone else, he has gone as far as he can as the manager of this team. So I thank him for his service.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #138
Sunday June 9, 2019 2:36am

Joined Jul 2012
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I wonder what will be next for Tab? I think he should stay as a youth coach with an MLS academy. I think he is more valuable for MLS youth than him making the jump to an MLS head coaching gig.

skangles
DC
Post #139
Sunday June 9, 2019 5:56am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,420
This was a strange tournament. I would have put money on (and lost my shorts) on Chris Durkin being one of the rock solid anchors of this team. Durkin was terrible and I am truly confused.

The positives for me are Chris Richards, who we all knew was good; Chris Gloster, who I had no idea was good. If Gloster gives us a LB solution longer term it would be a huge win for this U20 cycle; and Tim Weah who is way too good for this level. Integrate Weah into the full MNT immediately. I am also looking forward to David Ochoa in the next U20 cycle.

There are so many other players that could contribute to the full MNT or could fade away and I have no idea how to rate them: Pomykal, Mendes, Ledezma, Soto, KdlF, Dest, Lllanez, etc. Plus the guys that didn't play but have demonstrated their talents like Cerillo Araujo and McKenzie. Yes McKenzie played a bit but losing his spot to Keita, woof.

I feel like there will be a couple of Maki Tall-esque players in this group. Remember him? I was really excited about Maki Tall at one point but some of these guys could be the real deal. I don't leave this tournament with a good grasp on our future.

cudevil
Post #140
Sunday June 9, 2019 6:07am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 933
The "could contribute or fade away" is basically everyone at the U20 level. It's just the nature of the age group. Maybe not quite as volatile as U17, but it's pretty close. Unless this is a "golden" generation, most wont do much for the senior team.

skangles
DC
Post #141
Sunday June 9, 2019 6:14am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,420
True but I went into this tournament thinking I would leave with confidence that 5 or 6 players were the real deal. I really thought highly of this group. Instead, I think we have two slam dunks: Richards and Weah and slew of question marks.

hamsamwich
Post #142
Sunday June 9, 2019 12:04pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,143
I take it as marker of our collective progress. I think there is definite improvement between Maki Tall and Ulysses Llanez for example. Not that guys will or won't make it but the level as a whole is a couple standards higher than what we are used to. I agree Richards looks like the $$$$.

bjelks
Post #143
Sunday June 9, 2019 1:35pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
I would add that Pomykal is ready for the national team right now and can easily have Bradley, Roldan, or Trapp's place.
Also, Ledezma looks like a once in a generation attacking talent.
goalsense
cudevil
Post #144
Sunday June 9, 2019 1:44pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 933
Original post from skangles

True but I went into this tournament thinking I would leave with confidence that 5 or 6 players were the real deal. I really thought highly of this group. Instead, I think we have two slam dunks: Richards and Weah and slew of question marks.


But all you can do is keep getting our young guys into clubs where they have the chance to develop and play the odds from there. Right now, we definitely have more "lines in the water", so to speak, than we have had in the past. From the group of Dest, Pomykal, Sargent, Mendez, DLF, Ledezma, Gloster, Soto, and Llanez, it would be surprising if we didn't have 2-3 that break into first teams at respectable clubs and move on to the senior squad (and there are definitely others too). It's a good group. Definitely belongs in the conversation of top 4 U20 teams in the world.

hamsamwich
Post #145
Sunday June 9, 2019 1:45pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,143
Sergiño Dest would be good to go if

A) Adams were moved midfield and Dest has the skill set to do the whole inverted RB thing. He has great 1v1 defending skills on the ball. There's enough there.

B) we had a different coach (or same coach new plan) who would play Yedlin in his natural spot I see Dest as his backup next cycle to start.

*** next year Dest has a big chance to make the first team at Ajax....if he does he should be promoted with the USA.

hamsamwich
Post #146
Sunday June 9, 2019 1:50pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,143
Chris Gloster is on his way as well. A solid start in the pro game next year would cement his future as the new LB- even ahead of his slightly older counterpart Robinson- who in comparison to Gloster struggles with his defense.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #147
Sunday June 9, 2019 5:50pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,357
I think realistically we will get quite a few from this cycle. I think James Sands and Christian Cappis are guys who could make the jump with Pomykal, Weah, Dest, Ledezma, Gloster and Richards. I think Llanez is a couple years away. Also if Taitigue can stay healthy there is a huge talent.

I am really excited about Gloster. He is a solid LB. and we need a solid LB.

camparkinson
Post #148
Sunday June 9, 2019 11:28pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 318
Pomykal was the best and most consistent player for this team and to me the most ready to play meaningful minutes with the full squad right now.

Weah too since we're desperate for wingers who at least scare the other team a little bit...

Richards looks very good, excited to see him progress.

Hopefully there are lots of new faces with the full team and soon...

hamsamwich
Post #149
Monday June 10, 2019 4:20am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,143
I'd just like to remind everyone how Tab always got people to buy in, prepare, believe in themselves, play for the team, but most of all... Always represent the USA with passion and pride. Commitment and fight are what is sorely lacking at the full national team but Ramos always creates an atmosphere of positive peer pressure and competition.

I look forward to the professionalism of Wicky and the future. Tab fixed a lot of problems for the future if GGG would just call up the younger generation Tab has set it out on a plate for him. The increased coaching abilities of Wicky (we hope and are told) should only increase the talent pool soon to be available for the full national team.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #150
Monday June 10, 2019 5:51am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,357
I would like to think we will get more than just three or four out of this u20 WC cycle who become regular USMNT players. But the past two cycles has only produced three or 4 players so far.

2015: Miazga, Arriola, Steffen
2017: Pulisic, McKennie, Adams, Sargent

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