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EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #1
Saturday April 6, 2019 3:13pm

Joined May 2013
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On the bench vs Wolfsburg.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #2
Saturday April 6, 2019 6:04pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,115
Made his debut in the 79th minute. Hannover pretty close to relegation

blaise213
Post #3
Saturday April 6, 2019 6:24pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,926
Original post from EKneezy

Made his debut in the 79th minute. Hannover pretty close to relegation


This 79 min substitution should automatically put him above Paul Arriola

navi8132
New York
Post #4
Saturday April 6, 2019 6:56pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,100
Anyone know how he did?

navi8132
New York
Post #5
Saturday April 6, 2019 7:07pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,100
@zlebmada
2 touches. Won an aerial duel with John Brooks to flick on a long ball, ran onto a ball down the left flank and played a harmless left-footed cutback into the box. So not enough info to say good or bad. Looked the part, was vocal, energetic in the press.

navi8132
New York
Post #6
Thursday August 15, 2019 9:34pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,100
"Soto has been contacted by Chile manager Reinaldo Rueda, with an eye towards the striker playing for La Roja"

What is alarming is how easy other countries think it is to poach talent from us. Our optics must be shit.

Lilshmike
Post #7
Friday August 16, 2019 2:30pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,177
Original post from navi8132

"Soto has been contacted by Chile manager Reinaldo Rueda, with an eye towards the striker playing for La Roja"

What is alarming is how easy other countries think it is to poach talent from us. Our optics must be shit.
He isn't anywhere near ready for our senior national team yet... and if he isn't ready for our national team, then theres no way hes anywhere close to ready for Chile either. Mexico hasn't reached out to him yet as of now. All of this is through anonymous sources.

He wouldn't make the senior team for any of the nations hes eligible for, so he would be filing a switch to play for another youth national team - which makes absolutely no sense and is extremely unlikely. This is a nonfactor... and possibly nothing more than clickbait from ESPN.

db707
Post #8
Friday August 16, 2019 4:01pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
Who was the last really damaging loss we had among dual nationals? People panicked over Jonathan Gonzalez, who is mostly sitting the bench right now with Monterrey. I think the "problem" is overblown, we tend to get more guys we shouldn't get than losing valuable guys we should be keeping.

Know Nothing
Post #9
Friday August 16, 2019 5:23pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,617
Original post from Lilshmike

He isn't anywhere near ready for our senior national team yet... and if he isn't ready for our national team, then theres no way hes anywhere close to ready for Chile either. Mexico hasn't reached out to him yet as of now. All of this is through anonymous sources.

He wouldn't make the senior team for any of the nations hes eligible for, so he would be filing a switch to play for another youth national team - which makes absolutely no sense and is extremely unlikely. This is a nonfactor... and possibly nothing more than clickbait from ESPN.


How do you know? Have you had discussions with their manager? Are you privy to their plans? Maybe he has qualities they need but do not have in any of their other options. Every manager is different, as is every national team.

He must have seen something at the U-20 WC to make him want to reach out. Given that Sargent is our apparently our main focus moving forward, why not try to bring him in if he has potential? They had 3 attackers listed on their most recent 2019 COPA roster...the youngest was 26.

Lilshmike
Post #10
Friday August 16, 2019 8:44pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

How do you know? Have you had discussions with their manager? Are you privy to their plans? Maybe he has qualities they need but do not have in any of their other options. Every manager is different, as is every national team.

He must have seen something at the U-20 WC to make him want to reach out. Given that Sargent is our apparently our main focus moving forward, why not try to bring him in if he has potential? They had 3 attackers listed on their most recent 2019 COPA roster...the youngest was 26.
Let's cut the crap here and quit playing devils advocate. Is Chile going to use a kid with limited professional minutes who isn't even a starting striker for a 2 Bundesliga team and thrust him into their senior team? No.

But let's suggest that the manager wants to call him in to take a look at him. Well, does it make sense for him to give up everything he has done so far at the US youth levels and the path he created for himself... just to go to training and have a coach take a look? No.

This is a nonfactor at this time. If he breaks in and starts consistently scoring goals for his club team, then the situation changes. Until then, this is a nonfactor tbh. And again... it could simply be clickbait for ESPN or something his agent leaked to them in order to cause talk about their client since his contract is coming up soon and he will be able to negotiate a pre contract in January to leave.

cudevil
Post #11
Friday August 16, 2019 9:38pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 931
Original post from db707

Who was the last really damaging loss we had among dual nationals? People panicked over Jonathan Gonzalez, who is mostly sitting the bench right now with Monterrey. I think the "problem" is overblown, we tend to get more guys we shouldn't get than losing valuable guys we should be keeping.


Just because someone like Gonzalez hasn't worked out does not justify, in any way, how the USAF approached the situation.

db707
Post #12
Saturday August 17, 2019 12:05am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
Original post from cudevil

Just because someone like Gonzalez hasn't worked out does not justify, in any way, how the USAF approached the situation.


Do we really have U.S. Soccer's side of the story on Gonzalez? Maybe they didn't rate him as highly, or had information that he really preferred Mexico anyway. We see all the time now kids playing the dual national card to drum up publicity (and club interest), or just doing what they think is best for their career over any national affinity.

Know Nothing
Post #13
Sunday August 18, 2019 6:46pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from Lilshmike

Let's cut the crap here and quit playing devils advocate. Is Chile going to use a kid with limited professional minutes who isn't even a starting striker for a 2 Bundesliga team and thrust him into their senior team? No.

But let's suggest that the manager wants to call him in to take a look at him. Well, does it make sense for him to give up everything he has done so far at the US youth levels and the path he created for himself... just to go to training and have a coach take a look? No.

This is a nonfactor at this time. If he breaks in and starts consistently scoring goals for his club team, then the situation changes. Until then, this is a nonfactor tbh. And again... it could simply be clickbait for ESPN or something his agent leaked to them in order to cause talk about their client since his contract is coming up soon and he will be able to negotiate a pre contract in January to leave.


What crap am I talking? I do not know the thinking of the Chilean coach and I dare say you do not as well. I do not know the Chilean team or how they are stacked moving forward with the next generation of forwards. Of course you make logical assumptions, but not every manager thinks the same way.

But given all the attention given to Sargent and Weah, I dare say it would not be that difficult to turn Soto's head. He would just be employing the very same actions you yourself advocated on this site...that being if it isn't working out for you for the team you want to play for, change situations.

carl9
Post #14
Monday August 19, 2019 1:21pm

Joined Dec 2012
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just saw that Gonzalez has been an unused sub for the last couple of matches. It seems that gonzalez has taken a step back from his solid 6 month to one-year run at Monterrey - ever since his good run he's been injured and when he's been in the lineup he's often started on the bench. With hindsight I'm wondering if we'll start to see the JonGon episode a little differently - Yes we were crazy not to at least contact him. But maybe US soccer was right in rating him as a not-ready-for-prime-time player. Maybe some of these young kids will take a step back before jumping at Mexico's offers and getting capped and dumped. Let me know if I'm way off (maybe he's still destined for stardom at some point), but I'm wondering if JonGon could have been more patient.

Lilshmike
Post #15
Monday August 19, 2019 2:18pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,177
Original post from carl9

just saw that Gonzalez has been an unused sub for the last couple of matches. It seems that gonzalez has taken a step back from his solid 6 month to one-year run at Monterrey - ever since his good run he's been injured and when he's been in the lineup he's often started on the bench. With hindsight I'm wondering if we'll start to see the JonGon episode a little differently - Yes we were crazy not to at least contact him. But maybe US soccer was right in rating him as a not-ready-for-prime-time player. Maybe some of these young kids will take a step back before jumping at Mexico's offers and getting capped and dumped. Let me know if I'm way off (maybe he's still destined for stardom at some point), but I'm wondering if JonGon could have been more patient.
Spot on.

Hence why it is a bad precedent to call up and cap tie kids for the sake of cap tying them. Calling kids in and tying them to our national team "just to take a look". That won't help us in the long run and could be a deterrent for future prospects who are on the fence.

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