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John-Lewis
Post #1
Sunday February 17, 2019 5:38am

Joined Feb 2019
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So we already talked about the line up for the USMNT, but what formation should we be using? I think a 4-4-2 would be best, maybe a 4-2-3-1, but I would like to get your thoughts.

Know Nothing
Post #2
Sunday February 17, 2019 5:49pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Personally I have been advocating a 3-4-3 as it suits our strengths.

Three at the back lessens the burden on the outside backs to a degree...and I think our best options at the outside backs operate better as wingbacks. Am thinking long term in Robinson and Dest

We have two young dynamic midfielders that are athletic enough to hold the middle in McKennie and Adams.

Imagine two from Pulisic, Weah, and Holmes having a slightly free role behind a central striker like Sargent?

Defensively the 3 would become a 5 as the wingbacks drop back.

navi8132
New York
Post #3
Sunday February 17, 2019 7:39pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,119
I think a lot of different formations could work for this team. The question is and continues to be for the USMNT: will we put 2 creative attacking midfielders on the field (who can actually create goal scoring oppurtunities in real USMNT games and not just in practice and not just in club games). We only started to look good in JanCamp friendlies after Lleget and Lewis hit the field because both are capable of creating goal scoring opportunities. Once March hits: McKennie, Adams, Bradley, Trapp, Roldan, etc etc don't create goal scoring opportunities in USMNT games (don't care about their clubs). Pulisic can, Lleget can, Lewis can, I believe Rowe can against mild opposition, and I am at a loss to name others who can. Weah and Sargent are strikers and not creators. I am not sold on Amon, Gooch, Rubin, Gall, etc, but am interested in seeing more of them.

Dave
Post #4
Sunday February 17, 2019 8:46pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,000
A while back, on a different thread, I was trying to determine how to get our best players on the field in positions where they can succeed and provide positive impact to the game. Closest I could do was something along the lines of:

--------Wood / Sargent------
--Weah-----Pulisic----Holmes-
------McKennie-----------
-Robinson-----Adams---Yedlin--
---CCV----Brooks---Miazga---
---------Steffen----------

Bench: Zimmerman, Long/EPB, Lima, Garza, Moore, Trapp/Bradley, Saief, Amon/Gooch, Lletget, Roldan, Arriola, Jozy/Zardes, Horvath

The 3 CBs aren't set yet, but I'd want players who can distribute and circulate well and have enough speed to cover ground. CCV, Brooks, & Miazga are my 1st choice options at the moment, but I could see a number of others making a case for themselves.

Neither Yedlin or Robinson are lock-down outside backs. They are high energy, are good in the attack, and have good recovery speed. Relaxing their defensive responsibilities should allow them to best succeed/contribute without being liabilities. Dest, Olosunde, etc.... could be fit in fairly quickly in this formation as they aren't going to be put on an island. The wingbacks will have support from Adams & McKennie as well as the CB's.

McKennie & Adams will clog the middle....and provide turn-overs further up the field. This should spring the speedy attackers into dangerous areas. Would still like a couple other options emerge (Canouse, Durkin, Parks, Hyndman, etc...) to provide depth, but until then at least we've got 2 high end starters.

Pulisic is a starter but the other 2 could be a number of different players. The important part is that these 3 will float & interchange making it hard for the opponent to keep track of movements.

joey11
Post #5
Monday February 18, 2019 2:21am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 278
Why is Fab also left out of discussion? He'd the best LB option. Is there a reason no one mentions him? He played great at RB today

Dave
Post #6
Tuesday February 19, 2019 12:59am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,000
Original post from joey11

Why is Fab also left out of discussion? He'd the best LB option. Is there a reason no one mentions him? He played great at RB today


There are a handful of reasons why many of us are not including Fabian Johnson in discussions.....
1) There were rumors that Fabian was ready to step down from from International play after 2018 to focus on his club.
2) Fabian has been injured for a good portion of the last 12 months.
3) Fabian is currently 31. By 2022 he'll be 35....not unheard of, but a stretch.
4) The locker-room. When Arena took over there were a lot of issues in the locker-room. Many attributed those issues to the German-Americans contingent. Few of them have gotten a call since D. Williams in November of 2017...and Brooks just before the WC in 2018.
5) The failure of the 2018 cycle. Many wanted a clean slate after the T&T loss, where none of the Core from that cycle were included. Wasn't until recently that some of them have begun to filter back into the player pool. Guys like Fabian, Cameron, and others are still on the outside looking in.

If Fabian is willing to accept a call-up than most of the fan base would be willing to welcome him back. But we have to plan for the future, and look at other options.

tylercocinas
Post #7
Thursday February 21, 2019 6:52pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from Dave

There are a handful of reasons why many of us are not including Fabian Johnson in discussions.....
1) There were rumors that Fabian was ready to step down from from International play after 2018 to focus on his club.
2) Fabian has been injured for a good portion of the last 12 months.
3) Fabian is currently 31. By 2022 he'll be 35....not unheard of, but a stretch.
4) The locker-room. When Arena took over there were a lot of issues in the locker-room. Many attributed those issues to the German-Americans contingent. Few of them have gotten a call since D. Williams in November of 2017...and Brooks just before the WC in 2018.
5) The failure of the 2018 cycle. Many wanted a clean slate after the T&T loss, where none of the Core from that cycle were included. Wasn't until recently that some of them have begun to filter back into the player pool. Guys like Fabian, Cameron, and others are still on the outside looking in.

If Fabian is willing to accept a call-up than most of the fan base would be willing to welcome him back. But we have to plan for the future, and look at other options.


At the end of the day, do we have a potential LB better than Fabian Johnson right now? I think that is a question that answers itself. Obviously he needs to get some matches in over the next few months after being out for so long.

And, if Run DMB is any indication, age doesn't mean a damn thing.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #8
Friday February 22, 2019 1:34am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,516
Beas and cockroaches will be the only things to survive the apocalypse...

Dave
Post #9
Friday February 22, 2019 1:34am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,000
Original post from tylercocinas

At the end of the day, do we have a potential LB better than Fabian Johnson right now? I think that is a question that answers itself. Obviously he needs to get some matches in over the next few months after being out for so long.

And, if Run DMB is any indication, age doesn't mean a damn thing.


If we're playing a 4 in the back than Yes Fabian is clearly our best LB option right now. If we're playing in either 5 or 3 in the back than I think the margin if difference between Fabian & some of the young prospects is tighter than some would expect. I believe that Robinson in particular would really challenge Johnson if we played with wingbacks.

Age is always a factor, especially in the international game. The older you are the longer it takes a player to recover. The more minutes/games you play in quick succession the more it wares on a player. DMB may be able to put in strong performances for his club, playing 1 game a week but if asked to play 3 games in 10 days (tournament play) may be too much for him. Remember that the international game is played at a faster pace and often requires long travel all in a more compressed time period. That's a lot to ask for someone in their Mid 30s who have a ton of miles on their legs.


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