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tylercocinas
Post #106
Wednesday February 13, 2019 3:23pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from bjelks

I have a hunch about these things. I didnt see Mckennie play before I knew he was better than Bradley.
Our lb options are every limited, it can't be hard to find someone better that can play the role. I just need someone technical and fast with experience at a decent level.


"Anyone can play leftback." - Jürgen Klinsmann

bjelks
Post #107
Wednesday February 13, 2019 4:41pm

Joined Nov 2012
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One of those anyones Klinsmann moved to LB was Fabian Johnson, who happened to be our best lb ever.
goalsense
PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #108
Wednesday February 13, 2019 10:30pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 204
I would venture to say Eddie Lewis may have been one of our best left backs ever. And he fits your bill, even before you were probably born having played his whole professional career in england before finally switch i think at 34 to MLS (although he was a product of NCAA). Oh and he was a converted left mid, but i think the difference is when Lewis played we had an identity. It was full on counter attack. Fabian didnt have that luxury with Klinsmann messing with everything on a constant basis, but i dont think Fabian was our best LB ever. May the best since you joined the soccer world.....

bjelks
Post #109
Wednesday February 13, 2019 10:48pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from PortCityFan

I would venture to say Eddie Lewis may have been one of our best left backs ever. And he fits your bill, even before you were probably born having played his whole professional career in england before finally switch i think at 34 to MLS (although he was a product of NCAA). Oh and he was a converted left mid, but i think the difference is when Lewis played we had an identity. It was full on counter attack. Fabian didnt have that luxury with Klinsmann messing with everything on a constant basis, but i dont think Fabian was our best LB ever. May the best since you joined the soccer world.....


Bahahahaha, you're entitled to your opinion my friend and I saw Lewis' entire career.
I respect Lewis, but I dont think Lewis is in the class of Fabian.
Has he played a Champs League game?
Lewis was nowhere near Fab in pace, quickeness, technique, dribbling, passing, finishing, maybe better in deadball situations, but that's tough.
goalsense
PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #110
Wednesday February 13, 2019 10:56pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 204
At least Lewis wanted to be there and represent out country game in and game out, I don't know that i can say the same about Johnson. I'm not saying Lewis was better at any of those things than Johnson, but man did he play the position better than Johnson. I think that is what is missed most in your conversations. Sometimes certain players show up for their national teams, and other times better players just don't get it done. Timothy Chandler is a prime example, Brooks is another. All too many times you discredit a players drive and want all to have a "more technical player on the field." But that's not what is always in the best interest of the team.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #111
Wednesday February 13, 2019 11:06pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 204
Original post from PortCityFan

At least Lewis wanted to be there and represent out country game in and game out, I don't know that i can say the same about Johnson. I'm not saying Lewis was better at any of those things than Johnson, but man did he play the position better than Johnson. I think that is what is missed most in your conversations. Sometimes certain players show up for their national teams, and other times better players just don't get it done. Timothy Chandler is a prime example, Brooks is another. All too many times you discredit a players drive and want all to have a "more technical player on the field." But that's not what is always in the best interest of the team.


I think we can all agree that we want the best 11 technical players on the field,we want them all to be in their natural position where they play week in and week out for their clubs. Some people rate some players higher than others,and coaches do the same. Do we as a national team have that luxury right now, no. But ill be damned if each one of those players doesn't leave the field exhausted and know that they gave everything in a game for the crest. If the more technical player isn't willing to do that then I don't want him. Eventually he will have to look within to figure out that is what it is going to take

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #112
Wednesday February 13, 2019 11:34pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 204
And to be clear i think Johnson may still be our best available LB RIGHT NOW, I'm in now way saying he is not still. I'm pretty sure i actually suggested him in the LB/ RB thread. Do i think he should be called back in? Probably not because he is cancerous to the team. The same should be said about Jozy. He falls more in the line of he seems to score goals for the Nats, but I do not want him near the team. Bradley has 5 career goals against Mexico, 2 in one of the best games I've seen against Mexico. But Bradley is now a liability and he no longer has the grind in him. These types of things killed us in the last cycle, these intangibles and lack there of.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #113
Wednesday February 13, 2019 11:37pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 291
Original post from PortCityFan

I think we can all agree that we want the best 11 technical players on the field,we want them all to be in their natural position where they play week in and week out for their clubs. Some people rate some players higher than others,and coaches do the same. Do we as a national team have that luxury right now, no. But ill be damned if each one of those players doesn't leave the field exhausted and know that they gave everything in a game for the crest. If the more technical player isn't willing to do that then I don't want him. Eventually he will have to look within to figure out that is what it is going to take


So based on TT game, that means no bradley, jozy etc it was a disgrace seeing all the guys jogging sans CP when we were down we needed a result to go the world cup and they were just jogging.

I agree to your statement some guys play well with the Nats and some don't. Chandler is a good example. We should also recognize that some guys who do not get as much playing time in better leagues should be able to get call ups over guys who get consistant mins in lesser leagues: I hope GB can bring in the dual nationals and build a team and crest mentality-I really think he can. Kinsman was more of a figure it out yourself type of guy, if GB can get the duals to buy in will help the program greatly.
Stoked
Know Nothing
Post #114
Wednesday February 13, 2019 11:42pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,617
Original post from PortCityFan

And to be clear i think Johnson may still be our best available LB RIGHT NOW, I'm in now way saying he is not still. I'm pretty sure i actually suggested him in the LB/ RB thread. Do i think he should be called back in? Probably not because he is cancerous to the team. The same should be said about Jozy. He falls more in the line of he seems to score goals for the Nats, but I do not want him near the team. Bradley has 5 career goals against Mexico, 2 in one of the best games I've seen against Mexico. But Bradley is now a liability and he no longer has the grind in him. These types of things killed us in the last cycle, these intangibles and lack there of.


So the gist of your argument is that a team of 11 Gattusso's beats a team of 11 Ginola's?

If so I agree

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #115
Wednesday February 13, 2019 11:46pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 204
Original post from stoked3

So based on TT game, that means no bradley, jozy etc it was a disgrace seeing all the guys jogging sans CP when we were down we needed a result to go the world cup and they were just jogging.

I agree to your statement some guys play well with the Nats and some don't. Chandler is a good example. We should also recognize that some guys who do not get as much playing time in better leagues should be able to get call ups over guys who get consistant mins in lesser leagues: I hope GB can bring in the dual nationals and build a team and crest mentality-I really think he can. Kinsman was more of a figure it out yourself type of guy, if GB can get the duals to buy in will help the program greatly.


Absolutely, one of Klinsmann faults during the cycle was very limited introduction of new players even if it meant digging through some of the lower tiers of Europe early on. He did uncover a few but not nearly enough to increase the odds of pushing out some of the aging players. The quality ones he did got hurt ie. Joe Gyau. It was far too few for having the connections he had.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #116
Wednesday February 13, 2019 11:48pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 204
Original post from Know Nothing

So the gist of your argument is that a team of 11 Gattusso's beats a team of 11 Ginola's?

If so I agree


I wanted to use this analogy but most of our players aren't on the same level as Gattuso so I didn't want to disgrace his name

blaise213
Post #117
Thursday February 14, 2019 1:15am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,927
Original post from PortCityFan

Absolutely, one of Klinsmann faults during the cycle was very limited introduction of new players even if it meant digging through some of the lower tiers of Europe early on. He did uncover a few but not nearly enough to increase the odds of pushing out some of the aging players. The quality ones he did got hurt ie. Joe Gyau. It was far too few for having the connections he had.


Klinmanns substitutions were a problem too, player choice and time of substitutions

blaise213
Post #118
Thursday February 14, 2019 1:22am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,927
New Players I'd bring into March

De la Fuente
Sebastian Soto
Joel Sonora
Romain Lettuce Gall
Wright
Lankford
Mendez
Llanez
Folarin Balogun
Sergino Dest(iny)
Jeremey Toljan (Definitely not playing for Germany)

Leave all the MLS posers in MLS (expect Steffen)

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #119
Thursday February 14, 2019 1:43am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,404
Toljan would be a good shout, if he's interested, but I'd prefer he actually want to play for us, not have us be an alternative. It's nice he's getting consistent minutes at RB though with Celtic, and playing well.

db707
Post #120
Thursday February 14, 2019 1:52am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
Original post from blaise213

New Players I'd bring into March

De la Fuente
Sebastian Soto
Joel Sonora
Romain Lettuce Gall
Wright
Lankford
Mendez
Llanez
Folarin Balogun
Sergino Dest(iny)
Jeremey Toljan (Definitely not playing for Germany)

Leave all the MLS posers in MLS (expect Steffen)


Not enough U-15 eligibles, I am disappointed in you. No Holmes? He's uncapped, so he's new. Where's your boy Tillman, who can't get game time anywhere?

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