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navi8132
New York
Post #91
Tuesday February 12, 2019 1:07am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,025
I'm done with GB.

Mihailovic said on @usmntonly podcast, "What Gregg said at the beginning of camp is each player, if you don't fit the system...you're not really gonna make it here until you do fit the system."

In an presser with GB, GB explained that Lleget didn't start because he didn't quite sync with GB's system.

My longstanding belief is that coaches are usually only capable of ruining games, they don't win games. To hell with your "system." Your system created suboptimal offense in both games and the only reason that any decent offense eventually got created was because of Lleget and Lewis subs pulling things out of their ass through sheer will and creativity (NOT from GB's system). If they didn't quite mesh in your system BUT they help to win a game, maybe the problem is your system and the solution is to let players who can create goal scoring opportunities to just play.

bjelks
Post #92
Tuesday February 12, 2019 1:57am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 910
Amen @navi8132
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db707
Post #93
Tuesday February 12, 2019 2:09am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 753
Original post from bjelks

Yes my experience joke was pure sarcasm. Mckennie is good enough to make the first team at one of the biggest clubs in the World as a teenager but not better than Dax McCarty, Chris Pontius, or Joe Corona haha. This is America.


One sub appearance in a meaningless game. Guys get a quick late season look and never pan out all the time. Look up James Wilson, scored twice on his debut for Man U in 2014 and he's on loan at Aberdeen 5 years later. As 2tone said, hindsight is 20/20.

BMD15
Boston
Post #94
Tuesday February 12, 2019 3:12pm

Joined Oct 2015
Total Posts: 135
Original post from navi8132

If they didn't quite mesh in your system BUT they help to win a game, maybe the problem is your system and the solution is to let players who can create goal scoring opportunities to just play.


How'd that work out for JK? No system, no tactics, just 11 guys playing...
NETID
Know Nothing
Post #95
Tuesday February 12, 2019 4:42pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,520
Let's look at this pragmatically.

Everything has a starting point, a core if you will. For GB his system is the core. If you do not buy into it, you won't be successful. Makes sense. The goal is to have eleven guys working together towards a goal.

Plenty of coaches have been successful with this approach...Antonio Conte comes to mind.

Where problems occur is when the coach is intractable with his system and teams have adapted to them. Will be GB be flexible enough to change? That is the big question.

So I will wait to pass judgement.

Lilshmike
Post #96
Tuesday February 12, 2019 5:54pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 977
Original post from Know Nothing

Let's look at this pragmatically.

Everything has a starting point, a core if you will. For GB his system is the core. If you do not buy into it, you won't be successful. Makes sense. The goal is to have eleven guys working together towards a goal.

Plenty of coaches have been successful with this approach...Antonio Conte comes to mind.

Where problems occur is when the coach is intractable with his system and teams have adapted to them. Will be GB be flexible enough to change? That is the big question.

So I will wait to pass judgement.
The whole needs to be greater than the sum of the parts...

Until we have a full pool available for a competitive game (Gold Cup or WC qualifying) we have no idea how the roster will shape up, who will be involved, how we will play, etc. Until then, its premature to pass judgement.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #97
Tuesday February 12, 2019 9:26pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,436
I think GB's coaching ability will pleasantly surprise a lot of fans. Imo, his game management and flexibility to adapt during the game is one of his strengths.

But we need to see it play out with the full roster over time.

His system is based on high soccer IQs players who have the ability to process details and tactically adapt during the game.

I'm pretty stoked with the hire.

bjelks
Post #98
Tuesday February 12, 2019 10:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 910
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

I think GB's coaching ability will pleasantly surprise a lot of fans. Imo, his game management and flexibility to adapt during the game is one of his strengths.

But we need to see it play out with the full roster over time.

His system is based on high soccer IQs players who have the ability to process details and tactically adapt during the game.

I'm pretty stoked with the hire.


Do you think he can get us to a WC Semi-Final? A Confed Cup Championship? A Copa America Final?
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chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #99
Tuesday February 12, 2019 11:34pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,436
Not by himself...

But our talent level is rapidly increasing. I think we'll make the quarters in 2022 and the semis at home in 2026. It will be interesting to see how much he is valued post 2022 WC. He might not be the coach for 2026.

Just my two cents, I don't think GB will be the problem...it is always talent level and continuity in the attack for us.

hamsamwich
Post #100
Wednesday February 13, 2019 2:39am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,852
So people have posted their lineups and all that...

The previous two games were against subpar opposition where Berhalter and us could evaluate guys attacking strengths. I'm hoping Chile and Ecuador allow us all to evaluate the players defense this time around. Obviously the attack is important, but if a few look poor defensively (Bradley, Brooks and the LB come to mind immediately)... will that change things for the coach.

bjelks
Post #101
Wednesday February 13, 2019 3:50am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 910
Let's just hope GB does a better job of evaluating talent than Arena.

I think we all can agree that Brooks' ceiling defensively is much higher than Bradley's at this point. The question with Brooks is focus.

LB in my eyes is wide open and a complete toss up.
I have a really crazy idea of throwing Tyler Boyd out there and seeing if he can look the part.

I really hope GB rates technical creative types like Sonora and Holmes. We have a big need there.
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John-Lewis
Post #102
Wednesday February 13, 2019 4:00am

Joined Feb 2019
Total Posts: 18
Lol, if GB ever read this...

John-Lewis
Post #103
Wednesday February 13, 2019 4:33am

Joined Feb 2019
Total Posts: 18
We can talk about rosters and speculate the positions all we want, but the reality is that our shape and positioning is what is going to win us games, not the talent of our players(which is kind of lacking compared to the rest of the world). Instead, we have to be like Leicester City in the 15/16 premier league season. They had a few good players(Schmeichel, Vardy, and Kanté), But the rest were just decent/average players. Ranieri instead trained his players to maintain good shape and organization, while being ready to spring into action on a counter attack. Ranieri belived that effort beats tallent every time, and he was right. Ranieri's entire back line combined cost less than Eden Hazard, yet they countinued to fend off big six teams like Man U, Arsenal, and Chelsea. He did this by understanding his player's weaknesses and forming his tactics to play to their strengths. If GB can make the US men's National half of what Ranieri made Leicester, then I think we will do just fine.

db707
Post #104
Wednesday February 13, 2019 1:26pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 753
Original post from bjelks
I have a really crazy idea of throwing Tyler Boyd out there and seeing if he can look the part.


It's really crazy because you've never seen him play. But at least you admit it's crazy.

bjelks
Post #105
Wednesday February 13, 2019 2:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 910
Original post from db707

It's really crazy because you've never seen him play. But at least you admit it's crazy.


I have a hunch about these things. I didnt see Mckennie play before I knew he was better than Bradley.
Our lb options are every limited, it can't be hard to find someone better that can play the role. I just need someone technical and fast with experience at a decent level.
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