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chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #76
Saturday February 9, 2019 8:15pm

Joined May 2013
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I think GB likes Lletget because he is very decisive and proactive in the attacking third...makes quick solid decisions at tempo...he's a smartie with vision...and a truckload of Dempsey-like confidence. He's not afraid to try shit. He doesn't shrink away from the responsibility of that position. Some guys in the same position don't want to make a mistake and play it mellow or conservative...aka Nagbe.

GB will have a team full of guys that "get it"...Imo, Lletget will be right in the mix...doesn't matter what league he plays in if he gets stuff done on the field with the nats.

bjelks
Post #77
Saturday February 9, 2019 8:59pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

I think GB likes Lletget because he is very decisive and proactive in the attacking third...makes quick solid decisions at tempo...he's a smartie with vision...and a truckload of Dempsey-like confidence. He's not afraid to try shit. He doesn't shrink away from the responsibility of that position. Some guys in the same position don't want to make a mistake and play it mellow or conservative...aka Nagbe.

GB will have a team full of guys that "get it"...Imo, Lletget will be right in the mix...doesn't matter what league he plays in if he gets stuff done on the field with the nats.


That's great, but all GB should care about as a manager is can he create and finish plays better than anyone else in the pool in that position. Based on the league he's in, there's no evidence that he can do that against world class teams.
Sometimes US fans get so wrapped up in defending MLS that they completely disregard who the more quality player is.
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BMD15
Boston
Post #78
Sunday February 10, 2019 4:51am

Joined Oct 2015
Total Posts: 147
Original post from bjelks
Sometimes US fans get so wrapped up in defending MLS that they completely disregard who the more quality player is.


But your definition of quality, and my definition of quality, and everyone else's definition of quality mean absolutely squat. Sure, it's fun to speculate and armchair roster selection and line-ups but GB is the coach and he has a system in mind for how he wants to play. It's his job to find the right players in our player pool that fit those molds with the ultimate goal that the sum is greater than the parts.

So just because you rate player A higher than player B (based on whatever criteria you deem fit) doesn't mean they'll perform well in that role because you, me, or anyone else thinks or knows player A is better.
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #79
Sunday February 10, 2019 3:45pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 829
Original post from bjelks

That's great, but all GB should care about as a manager is can he create and finish plays better than anyone else in the pool in that position. Based on the league he's in, there's no evidence that he can do that against world class teams.
Sometimes US fans get so wrapped up in defending MLS that they completely disregard who the more quality player is.


So the Championship is at an = level to MLS. In my opinion the Championship has teams with deeper rosters but stater-wise relatively = leagues. Do you know that Holmes can make these plays at international level? Holmes plays in a league that is a lateral league to MLS. You say Lleget has shown no evidence based on his league and tout Holmes who plays in a similar league. Just pointing out your anti-MLS bias. I am not saying anything about the 2 players or if one is better than the other etc. I don't know enough about them. I am not disqualifying one because he plays in a particular league. Let the best player play.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #80
Sunday February 10, 2019 3:48pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,387
Novakovich with another goal for Sittard. Most in form striker right now. Hopefully Berhalter gives him more minutes than Sarachan did. Truly believe if amp a was on Ajax or PSV he would be lighting the Eredivisie up.

bjelks
Post #81
Sunday February 10, 2019 3:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from Kamphgruppe

So the Championship is at an = level to MLS. In my opinion the Championship has teams with deeper rosters but stater-wise relatively = leagues. Do you know that Holmes can make these plays at international level? Holmes plays in a league that is a lateral league to MLS. You say Lleget has shown no evidence based on his league and tout Holmes who plays in a similar league. Just pointing out your anti-MLS bias. I am not saying anything about the 2 players or if one is better than the other etc. I don't know enough about them. I am not disqualifying one because he plays in a particular league. Let the best player play.


We deployed a majority MLS team during qualification and in the final qualy game against Trinidad and resulted in the biggest failure in US Soccer history. Maybe it's time we try a different approach. I respectfully disagree that Championship is equal to MLS. The speed of play, the pedigree of players, the trajectory of player careers is not the same. I can't recall Lttetget making similar plays in MLS. I'm open to any video of him doing so.
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #82
Sunday February 10, 2019 4:31pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 829
Original post from bjelks

We deployed a majority MLS team during qualification and in the final qualy game against Trinidad and resulted in the biggest failure in US Soccer history. Maybe it's time we try a different approach. I respectfully disagree that Championship is equal to MLS. The speed of play, the pedigree of players, the trajectory of player careers is not the same. I can't recall Lttetget making similar plays in MLS. I'm open to any video of him doing so.


I watch both pretty regularly and the speed of play etc really depends upon the time of year. You watch MLS in July and the speed of play is slower. The Scottish guy who plays for SKC said he had to adjust his speed of play in the heat because he kept burning himself out, something he didn't have to deal with in the UK. Your opinion of course is yours but I am of the opinion that the leagues are on pretty equal footing. I do believe that last years Atlanta squad would have been in an automatic promotion spot in the Championship. Yes I have seen Lleget make some great passes/goals etc. I don't know enough about Homes to have an opinion. Derby don't get a lot of TV time so I haven't been able to watch him. The point wasn't about the players, the point was your anti-MLS bias.

Also blaming the US not qualifying on MLS is really stretching it. I was screaming at the TV the whole game. I told my wife we were going to lose 5 min into the game. The players looked burned out and they were all jogging around like they didn't care. None of that had anything to do with MLS.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #83
Sunday February 10, 2019 7:52pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,387
Oh for Christ sake. That mostly MLS team had many players with years of experience playing in Europe. Just stop trying to blame MLS. That qualifying tournament started out with disaster and ended with disaster. I blame the two head coaches used more than I blame the players. Klinsmann fucked it up and Bruce Arena fucked it up.

bjelks
Post #84
Sunday February 10, 2019 8:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from 2tone

Oh for Christ sake. That mostly MLS team had many players with years of experience playing in Europe. Just stop trying to blame MLS. That qualifying tournament started out with disaster and ended with disaster. I blame the two head coaches used more than I blame the players. Klinsmann fucked it up and Bruce Arena fucked it up.


But you're experience doesn't tell us the level of player you are at the time, the level you're playing in at the time does.
A good manager wouldve incorporated Mckennie, Adams, Miazga at Gold Cup, but they didn't have enough experience according to our federation lol.
France won the WC with a team avg age of 25. These guy were full internationals at 21. Am
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hamsamwich
Post #85
Sunday February 10, 2019 8:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
I rate players on vision, intelligence, technique and athleticism. But other people have their own criteria.

Holmes is just fast on the ball, slow on the ball, whatever you need. Makes good decisions and has some flair and cockiness to his game the fans will like. He's getting very confident recently so everyone should be excited to see him get his debut in a USA shirt.

I'm personally hoping most of the camp are new players from Europe with just a few key carryovers from the January camp (but not because they are "lesser quality MLS players" so to speak). Let Berhalter get as many looks at as many different players as possible before the Gold Cup so there really aren't any surprises later. But just because Holmes for example could be called in and Lletget not, to me should not be an indicator of some final standing in Berhalter's player pool. Just Gregg calling in more guys to show them his ways, and to see these guys play up close.

As an aside, I rate Holmes over Gall because of his ability to pass and bring others into play after he beats a guy 1 v 1. I've only seen Gall shoot in that situation, like a Julian Green. Holmes on the other hand can make that decisive pass and put goals on a plate for his teammates which is what the Berhalter system is about: the #9 scoring goals. The game where Sargent backheeled to Amon who blurred through the defense only to overhit a weird outside of the foot pass with his right when he clearly could have slid Weah in with his left was a big indicator of how far Amon has to go. That should have been an easy tap in for Weah. Holmes makes that pass in that situation and that's the difference for me between those three guys.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #86
Sunday February 10, 2019 8:40pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,387
Original post from bjelks

But you're experience doesn't tell us the level of player you are at the time, the level you're playing in at the time does.
A good manager wouldve incorporated Mckennie, Adams, Miazga at Gold Cup, but they didn't have enough experience according to our federation lol.
France won the WC with a team avg age of 25. These guy were full internationals at 21. Am


Hindsight is 20-20. Both Adams and McKennie were at a u20 level of competition at that time. Miazga should have been included.

Dave
Post #87
Sunday February 10, 2019 9:32pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 998
We can't take much understanding away from Berhalter's camp selections until we get to May, when he needs to select ~30 for the preliminary Gold Cup roster. There are likely going to be a few hold-overs from each camp...players who Berhalter is familiar with and who are quick to become familiar with Berhalter's system.

Therefore I expect guys who were successful during the January camp (Lima, long, Zimmerman, Lletget, Trapp, Bradley & Zardes) to be part of the March Camp. After the March camp it'll hopefully be re-evaluated for the next camp.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #88
Monday February 11, 2019 6:59pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,135
I just hope we get the best 23 players in form. Don't throw players out if they don't fit your system. Berhalter seems like a guy who will cast a wide net.

db707
Post #89
Monday February 11, 2019 11:05pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 993
Original post from bjelks

But you're experience doesn't tell us the level of player you are at the time, the level you're playing in at the time does.
A good manager wouldve incorporated Mckennie, Adams, Miazga at Gold Cup, but they didn't have enough experience according to our federation lol.
France won the WC with a team avg age of 25. These guy were full internationals at 21. Am


McKennie had 13 minutes of senior experience in a meaningless end of season league game prior to the 2017 Gold Cup. He didn't have enough experience according to almost any manager and federation.

bjelks
Post #90
Tuesday February 12, 2019 1:03am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Original post from db707

McKennie had 13 minutes of senior experience in a meaningless end of season league game prior to the 2017 Gold Cup. He didn't have enough experience according to almost any manager and federation.


Yes my experience joke was pure sarcasm. Mckennie is good enough to make the first team at one of the biggest clubs in the World as a teenager but not better than Dax McCarty, Chris Pontius, or Joe Corona haha. This is America.
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