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John-Lewis
Post #691
Wednesday March 27, 2019 1:06pm

Joined Feb 2019
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Zero touch Zardes again yesterday.

hamsamwich
Post #692
Wednesday March 27, 2019 1:06pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,110
@db707- Dest has for months played for Jong Ajax who play in the Ditch 2nd division. He's not on the real Ajax but he plays grown man soccer against adults. He's not a youth teamer anymore. I still say Yedlin is our guy and we need better midfield play as usual.

John-Lewis
Post #693
Wednesday March 27, 2019 1:19pm

Joined Feb 2019
Total Posts: 59
That back line was so terrible yesterday its unbelievable. Ream can't go a game without gifting the opposing team a goal scoring opportunity. Gonzales was average. Miazga was basically Aron Long but better. Yedlin was as good as always on defense, but a little lacking on offense.

Lovitz was so much better than Ream playing at left back and Brooks has much more of an influence on the back line than Gonzales. Those are the two changes I would make.

hamsamwich
Post #694
Wednesday March 27, 2019 1:19pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,110
@john Lewis- except for the first goal, yes.

In news from around the world: Ola Kamara and Bjorn Maars Johnsen scores for Norway against Sweden in a 3-3 euro qualifier.

db707
Post #695
Wednesday March 27, 2019 1:25pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 928
Original post from hamsamwich

@db707- Dest has for months played for Jong Ajax who play in the Dutch 2nd division. He's not on the real Ajax but he plays grown man soccer against adults. He's not a youth teamer anymore. I still say Yedlin is our guy and we need better midfield play as usual.


I realize that, it's still not a first team though. When he plays for a first team he can be in the conversation.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #696
Wednesday March 27, 2019 2:39pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,321
Original post from John-Lewis

That back line was so terrible yesterday its unbelievable. Ream can't go a game without gifting the opposing team a goal scoring opportunity. Gonzales was average. Miazga was basically Aron Long but better. Yedlin was as good as always on defense, but a little lacking on offense.

Lovitz was so much better than Ream playing at left back and Brooks has much more of an influence on the back line than Gonzales. Those are the two changes I would make.


Miazga was bad. Not even close to how good Long has been.

Know Nothing
Post #697
Wednesday March 27, 2019 2:49pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,599
The Defense looked better when they went to 3 in the back.

I will readily admit Miazga looked out of sorts, but he drew the short straw compared to Long. He had to play against a team that was willing to attack us and was stuck paired with Omar. He also had Bradley as "cover". It is hard to make a comparison given how different the opponents were and Long was paired with Brooks.

I am not suggesting that Miazga is much better than Long, just suggesting that given the circumstances I believe it is unfair to compare the two.

The other thing I don't understand...is it a rule in MLS that if you are on a counterattack you have to stop and make a pass backwards? Every now and then I would like to see one of our MLS guys try to attack an opponent 1 v 1. Try to unsettle the defense, get them out of formation.

Lilshmike
Post #698
Wednesday March 27, 2019 3:11pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,145
I've been saying it for a long time now (notably since the Brazil game)... Miazga isn't as good as people think he is. Hes decent for about 80-90% of a game, but during that other 10-20% its as though he shuts off mentally and makes poor, potentially game costing mistakes.

He could get away with it in MLS. He could get away with it in Holland. He wasn't really able to get away with it at Nantes. Now hes in the Championship. There is a reason he isn't playing for Chelsea...

Hes decent, but good for a couple mistakes per game. Its better to have a CB who may not be the best skill wise, but is disciplined, listens to their goalkeeper, and doesn't make mistakes. Miazga is not that.

bjelks
Post #699
Wednesday March 27, 2019 3:36pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I agree with @knownothing. It's hard to make a comparison between Long and Miazga, because Miazga had a much weaker partner, a stronger opponent and much less cover without Mckennie and Adams.

It's not a knock on Miazga to say he's not Chelsea quality. A top 10 club in the world. I can assure you Long isn't either. Long is also older and less proven. Can we get a look at him verses a top team or at least some games against a higher club level thn MLS, before anointing him starter?

As @knownothing alluded to as well as others, attackers from MLS seem to have no ideas 1v1 and no composure or quality in the final 3rd.
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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #700
Wednesday March 27, 2019 3:56pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,397
I've never been too sold on Miazga, but I think he deserves to be in probably every roster we have for the next year at least as a back up. I would prefer a Zimmerman - Brooks pairing. Miazga could still become the CB we want him to.

Know Nothing
Post #701
Wednesday March 27, 2019 4:05pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,599
Original post from Lilshmike

I've been saying it for a long time now (notably since the Brazil game)... Miazga isn't as good as people think he is. Hes decent for about 80-90% of a game, but during that other 10-20% its as though he shuts off mentally and makes poor, potentially game costing mistakes.

He could get away with it in MLS. He could get away with it in Holland. He wasn't really able to get away with it at Nantes. Now hes in the Championship. There is a reason he isn't playing for Chelsea...

Hes decent, but good for a couple mistakes per game. Its better to have a CB who may not be the best skill wise, but is disciplined, listens to their goalkeeper, and doesn't make mistakes. Miazga is not that.


That is a fair assessment, but you could say the same about most of the defenders in our pool. In fact, you could say if you put pressure on our center backs to make a decision during the match, they have been making incorrect ones.

The only defender I have seen be consistently on in a match was Parker during both Ireland and France.

We have not gotten our spacing right or our communication right when we have played with a back 4. It is no coincidence we looked better with a back three.

John-Lewis
Post #702
Wednesday March 27, 2019 4:14pm

Joined Feb 2019
Total Posts: 59
Original post from Fraser31

I've never been too sold on Miazga, but I think he deserves to be in probably every roster we have for the next year at least as a back up. I would prefer a Zimmerman - Brooks pairing. Miazga could still become the CB we want him to.


I agree with Zman being in the lineup. I was supper confused and surprised when he didn't get called up.

bjelks
Post #703
Wednesday March 27, 2019 5:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,203
Original post from John-Lewis

I agree with Zman being in the lineup. I was supper confused and surprised when he didn't get called up.


You rate Zimmerman higher than Long?
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cudevil
Post #704
Wednesday March 27, 2019 5:25pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 908
I'm not a fan of Berhalter's early tactics, but he didn't get McKennie injured, at the least (I didn't see what happened to Pulisic). McKennie made a really dumb challenge and came down weird. It was 100% on Weston.

I was in and out of the game yesterday. Some thoughts on what I did see:

Pulisic was more dynamic positioned more to the outside and was unfortunate not to get a second goal. I'm fine with him being there, but we need someone that can operate centrally as a CAM. I would definitely like to see Holmes get that opportunity.

That might have been the slowest back line we've ever started, even if Yedlin is added into the mix.

Agree that it's unfair to compare Long to Miazga after those 2 games.

Bradley played some balls that I'm not entirely certain Adams would have seen or would have been able to play right now. I don't think Bradley plays passes like that consistently enough to justify Adams at RB.

Arriola sure runs hard. And that's about it.

We are doomed if Zardes is our first choice striker. I'm still in the Sargent camp, but failing that, a healthy Altidore >>> Zardes.

Horvath might have slipped a bit in the pecking order, which is unfortunate after his strong performance last November. He was pretty shaky.

Ream should have been called in more regularly earlier in his career, but I can't see where he fits right now. Maybe as a back up to Brooks. He can't play left back any more, and almost gave away 2 goals in 2 games. It's a shame, because I think he's been an underrated guy throughout his career.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #705
Wednesday March 27, 2019 6:02pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,321
If I'm rating CB's as of right now:

1. Brooks
2. Long
3. Is a tie between Miazga and Z-Man
4. Tie between Trusty and CCV
5. Miles Robinson( might be really close to a USMNT callup) really talented.
6. EPB
7. Omar
8. McKenzie
9. Richards( I have a feeling he will rocket up these standings in the next couple of years)
10. Parker

Honorable mention: Michael Edwards. Will be watching his continued development with Wolfsburg.

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