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db707
Post #16
Monday February 4, 2019 2:37pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from bjelks

I don't know if you read over the part where I said DWill if healthy. If Robinson is out, we can try Cannon. LB is thin any way you measure it.
I also said Bello or Lima.
Clearly CCV has been starting games in the Championship and getting good reviews.
Clearly Morales is starting at a top 3 league in the world. I'm sorry if USA can't honor that, we don't deserve to be then seriously.


Your opinions just can't be taken seriously because of your anti-MLS bias. Williams hasn't been fully healthy in at least a year and is about to turn 30. It's a Johannsson situation at this point where he has to prove he can stay healthy before being called again, not even worth talking about him until he can be healthy and playing for a long stretch.

Why wouldn't you be calling Ream under the same criteria used for Morales? Both are playing for bad teams in a top league.

John-Lewis
Post #17
Monday February 4, 2019 3:19pm

Joined Feb 2019
Total Posts: 57
Original post from db707

Your opinions just can't be taken seriously because of your anti-MLS bias. Williams hasn't been fully healthy in at least a year and is about to turn 30. It's a Johannsson situation at this point where he has to prove he can stay healthy before being called again, not even worth talking about him until he can be healthy and playing for a long stretch.

Why wouldn't you be calling Ream under the same criteria used for Morales? Both are playing for bad teams in a top league.


The reason that we do not like MLS player(at least I don't) is because we can not win against any European National Teams with that kind of playing style. If we want to beat these teams or at least not get an embarrassing result, we can not go down a level. Instead we have to match them with playing style. If we play kickball and lose possession as much as MLS teams do, we will not qualify for the World Cup like we did last year. Jose Altidore and Bradly don't help the US qualify, instead they hurt us so much that we DIDNT QUALIFY FOR THE World Cup FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1990. Young rising stars like Mckennie and Adams are the players we need so we can compete in a World Cup, much less qualify.

Lilshmike
Post #18
Monday February 4, 2019 3:32pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,099
Original post from db707

Your opinions just can't be taken seriously because of your anti-MLS bias. Williams hasn't been fully healthy in at least a year and is about to turn 30. It's a Johannsson situation at this point where he has to prove he can stay healthy before being called again, not even worth talking about him until he can be healthy and playing for a long stretch.

Why wouldn't you be calling Ream under the same criteria used for Morales? Both are playing for bad teams in a top league.
What about Tyler Boyd?

Keaton Parks will be available. Why wasn't he included? Same with Julian Green? Terrence Boyd too...

And if playing in the Championship and League One are the bar that has to be passed, why knock Eric Lichaj?

db707
Post #19
Monday February 4, 2019 4:00pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 880
Original post from John-Lewis

The reason that we do not like MLS player(at least I don't) is because we can not win against any European National Teams with that kind of playing style. If we want to beat these teams or at least not get an embarrassing result, we can not go down a level. Instead we have to match them with playing style. If we play kickball and lose possession as much as MLS teams do, we will not qualify for the World Cup like we did last year. Jose Altidore and Bradly don't help the US qualify, instead they hurt us so much that we DIDNT QUALIFY FOR THE World Cup FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1990. Young rising stars like Mckennie and Adams are the players we need so we can compete in a World Cup, much less qualify.


No one's arguing with calling guys like Pulisic, Adams and McKennie. It's the guys who are floundering in Europe, possibly not playing at all, who I am saying shouldn't be included just because they're on the books in Europe. Let's keep an open mind and call our best 23, not lump all MLS players or all European players into one group.

bjelks
Post #20
Monday February 4, 2019 4:29pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,137
Original post from db707

Your opinions just can't be taken seriously because of your anti-MLS bias. Williams hasn't been fully healthy in at least a year and is about to turn 30. It's a Johannsson situation at this point where he has to prove he can stay healthy before being called again, not even worth talking about him until he can be healthy and playing for a long stretch.

Why wouldn't you be calling Ream under the same criteria used for Morales? Both are playing for bad teams in a top league.


Anti-MLS bias first is false because I picked Steffen, Bello and Lima. Hell, I'll throw in Cannon and Lttetget.

But what MLS players are you calling over the group I called in? Please share your 11 and 23.

If D Will or Johannson are available and can put a string of games together in the EPL and Bundesliga respectively, they should be in. Again the goal is to play your best players.

Regarding Reem, I don't think there's a big difference between him and CCV's level and I think CCV has more upside and obviously much younger.
However, I wouldn't have a problem with him called in.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #21
Monday February 4, 2019 4:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Lilshmike

What about Tyler Boyd?

Keaton Parks will be available. Why wasn't he included? Same with Julian Green? Terrence Boyd too...

And if playing in the Championship and League One are the bar that has to be passed, why knock Eric Lichaj?


Again I said Tyler Boyd should be tracked, didn't say he should be called in at this point.
KP needs to setttle into his new club obviously.
There's nothing new to see with Green. He hasn't impressed and we have more intriguing attacking mid options.
Terrance Boyd is clearly behind 3 Bundesliga players and 1 Eredivisie in my mind.
Lichaj has had chances and failed to impress and at his age he isn't improving. But if you want to replace Lima, Bello, or Dest with him, that's fine.
I'd prefer to call guys that have room to grow going into 2022.
goalsense
db707
Post #22
Monday February 4, 2019 4:45pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 880
Original post from bjelks

Anti-MLS bias first is false because I picked Steffen, Bello and Lima. Hell, I'll throw in Cannon and Lttetget.

But what MLS players are you calling over the group I called in? Please share your 11 and 23.

If D Will or Johannson are available and can put a string of games together in the EPL and Bundesliga respectively, they should be in. Again the goal is to play your best players.

Regarding Reem, I don't think there's a big difference between him and CCV's level and I think CCV has more upside and obviously much younger.
However, I wouldn't have a problem with him called in.


I'd pick Lima over Dest (guy hasn't played for his A team yet), Lovitz or Cannon over Bello (if Bello was ready he'd have been called in for these most recent friendlies) Zimmerman and Long over CCV (who has plateaued) and Miazga (who needs to focus on getting club games). Canouse over Williams, Lletget over Gooch, Novakovich over Wood (who is not even starting for the worst team in the Bundesliga), Lewis over Gall. I'll be charitable and give you Morales just to shut you up about him, and your boy Sonora.

Lilshmike
Post #23
Monday February 4, 2019 4:53pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from bjelks

Again I said Tyler Boyd should be tracked, didn't say he should be called in at this point.
KP needs to setttle into his new club obviously.
There's nothing new to see with Green. He hasn't impressed and we have more intriguing attacking mid options.
Terrance Boyd is clearly behind 3 Bundesliga players and 1 Eredivisie in my mind.
Lichaj has had chances and failed to impress and at his age he isn't improving. But if you want to replace Lima, Bello, or Dest with him, that's fine.
I'd prefer to call guys that have room to grow going into 2022.
If age is an issue...

Lichaj is 30.
Williams is 29, turning 30 in a month.
Morales is 28, turning 29 in May.

Legitimately, according to your own standards, these guys are old and wouldn't be seen as growing towards 2022... Clearly none of these players are improving due to their age. Find another excuse.

And what made you change your opinion on Terrence Boyd? It was this summer when you were adamantly making the claim that he was one of our best strikers? Same with Green. We apparently don't have creative attacking players like Green (according to you and the claims you've made). Why the flip flop?

John-Lewis
Post #24
Monday February 4, 2019 5:25pm

Joined Feb 2019
Total Posts: 57
Original post from Lilshmike

If age is an issue...

Lichaj is 30.
Williams is 29, turning 30 in a month.
Morales is 28, turning 29 in May.

Legitimately, according to your own standards, these guys are old and wouldn't be seen as growing towards 2022... Clearly none of these players are improving due to their age. Find another excuse.

And what made you change your opinion on Terrence Boyd? It was this summer when you were adamantly making the claim that he was one of our best strikers? Same with Green. We apparently don't have creative attacking players like Green (according to you and the claims you've made). Why the flip flop?


Don't forget Fabian Johnson, who is 31

bjelks
Post #25
Monday February 4, 2019 5:35pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,137
Original post from db707

I'd pick Lima over Dest (guy hasn't played for his A team yet), Lovitz or Cannon over Bello (if Bello was ready he'd have been called in for these most recent friendlies) Zimmerman and Long over CCV (who has plateaued) and Miazga (who needs to focus on getting club games). Canouse over Williams, Lletget over Gooch, Novakovich over Wood (who is not even starting for the worst team in the Bundesliga), Lewis over Gall. I'll be charitable and give you Morales just to shut you up about him, and your boy Sonora.


You're far too kind.
I just wanna see what Morales and Sonora got. I've seen Sonora dribble and pass circles around decent players.
Disagree on CCV, but he has work to do. I've been hearing good things from him according to Sciaretta.
Lewis has been good, but raw, I'd like to see what Gall can do.
By March Miazga should have close 10 club games for Reading.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #26
Monday February 4, 2019 5:54pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,137
Original post from Lilshmike

If age is an issue...

Lichaj is 30.
Williams is 29, turning 30 in a month.
Morales is 28, turning 29 in May.

Legitimately, according to your own standards, these guys are old and wouldn't be seen as growing towards 2022... Clearly none of these players are improving due to their age. Find another excuse.

And what made you change your opinion on Terrence Boyd? It was this summer when you were adamantly making the claim that he was one of our best strikers? Same with Green. We apparently don't have creative attacking players like Green (according to you and the claims you've made). Why the flip flop?


If you're an "older player", I think you should be only be involved if you're playing at the top flight or significantly better than competition in your position.
I think Morales and D Will check those boxes.

Im trying to be civil, but flip-flop is a very poor choice of words.
National team player selection and ranking is very fluid and based on young talent emerging, quality of league, and club form, anyone can be replaced including CP.
For example if we have 3 attacking mids, that play at better clubs, play more and create more goals, CP will be replaced. Competition is what makes national teams great.

Boyd is behind 3 younger players in Bundesliga, 1 with Celtic, and 1 with Eredivisie and I doubt he or Jozy can catch up.
Green in my eyes is behind, Holmes, Gall, Lttetget (who I hope explores a transfer), and Sonora.

I'm simply interested in the quality of your league or club. For example Celtic is in a bad league, but the club is good, same as Malmo. I'm interested in playing time and contribution.
goalsense
Lilshmike
Post #27
Monday February 4, 2019 7:05pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,099
Original post from bjelks

Actually, we don't have to include Altidore. He is not a better hold up player than Boyd or Wood.
There is no need to waste a valuable spot on an older player that's on the downside of his career instead of using that spot to give a young player that's developing and working to improve experience. It sends the wrong message to the pool.
Yeah... this post by you is on the first page of the following thread:
http://locker.yanks-abroad.com/?mode=topics&t...

Flip flop is a pretty accurate choice of words here...

You did also say this too...
Original post from bjelks

Again Boyd is still trying to get back to Bundesliga and Jozy is cherry picking in MLS so you can't say the goals translate. And scoring is about opportunity and service. If Jozy gets the same or less chances in Bundesliga, I haven't seen anything from his history that would make me think he would convert more. The problem with Jozy is that he's never been a player to make something and never had the quality to be efficient with chances. Boyd has a better 1st touch, better shot from distance, better 1v1 ability, better work rate. Most importantly a tougher and more ambitious mentality which mls fan boys don't understand, because hey, we accept mediocrity and soft minded players.
Funny how Boyd ends up in MLS... as Jozy's backup nonetheless... and suddenly Boyd drops off the radar and is no longer worthy of being talked about.

Player selections and ranking are fluid though, so that answers that I suppose...

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #28
Monday February 4, 2019 7:07pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,465
I'd be surprised if MB, Long, Lletget and Lima aren't part of the March full roster call ups. I'd also be surprised if most of them weren't starters.

Lilshmike
Post #29
Monday February 4, 2019 7:17pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,099
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

I'd be surprised if MB, Long, Lletget and Lima aren't part of the March full roster call ups. I'd also be surprised if most of them weren't starters.
Agreed.

I was surprised that Lletget didn't get more time in these recent friendlies. Same with Lewis.

And again, Berhalter has said that both Bradley and Jozy are in the plan. As long as they are healthy and available, they will more than likely be included in any roster until others come in, out perform them consistently, and push them out.

Based on the role Zardes played - which credit to him he did much better in the 2nd game than first - Weah might be a really good fit up top. He just needs to bulk up some so hes a bit stronger on the ball.

bjelks
Post #30
Monday February 4, 2019 7:42pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,137
Original post from Lilshmike

Yeah... this post by you is on the first page of the following thread:
http://locker.yanks-abroad.com/?mode=topics&t...

Flip flop is a pretty accurate choice of words here...

You did also say this too...
Funny how Boyd ends up in MLS... as Jozy's backup nonetheless... and suddenly Boyd drops off the radar and is no longer worthy of being talked about.

Player selections and ranking are fluid though, so that answers that I suppose...


Yea I know what I said and if younger players emerge or someone else works their way into a better club than Boyd or anyone is in and produces then it's not "flip-flopping" to change where you rank them.
I could care less about Boyd being Jozy's Backup, as much as there are younger players that are producing more in better leagues than both currently.
Flip-flopping would be if nothing changed in Jozy or Boyd's situation and you randomly rearrange how you rank them.
I still don't rank Jozy in our top 5 forwards so nothing has changed there.
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