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Lilshmike
Post #16
Friday February 1, 2019 6:45pm

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Another player we forgot to mention was Freddy Adu. He's still playing and is a left sided mid. The most creative player our country has ever produced. Definitely worth noting...

John-Lewis
Post #17
Friday February 1, 2019 9:06pm

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Original post from Lilshmike

Thanks for starting this thread. This discussion actually makes sense to have.

Jeremy Toljan, LB - dual national in Germany, could represent us, would be an immediate starting LB, but we would have to kidnap his GF and hold her ransom in order to convince him to play for us because hes apparently not keen on representing the USA
Fabian Johnson, LM/LB/RB - don't forget, he's still around
Jonathan Amon, LM - pacey, plays in Denmark
Kenny Saief, LM - plays in Belguim
Tim Weah, LM/RM/ST - on loan at Celtic from PSG

As far as players abroad who are relevant... thats pretty much it for the time being.


Wouldn't Fabian Johnson be to old to play in the World Cup?

John-Lewis
Post #18
Friday February 1, 2019 9:08pm

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Original post from Lilshmike

Thanks for starting this thread. This discussion actually makes sense to have.

Jeremy Toljan, LB - dual national in Germany, could represent us, would be an immediate starting LB, but we would have to kidnap his GF and hold her ransom in order to convince him to play for us because hes apparently not keen on representing the USA
Fabian Johnson, LM/LB/RB - don't forget, he's still around
Jonathan Amon, LM - pacey, plays in Denmark
Kenny Saief, LM - plays in Belguim
Tim Weah, LM/RM/ST - on loan at Celtic from PSG

As far as players abroad who are relevant... thats pretty much it for the time being.


I do agree with all of your other choices though, especially Tim Weah

John-Lewis
Post #19
Friday February 1, 2019 9:11pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

I assume you are speaking about purely left footed players? And what formation would you be playing?


Left or both feet and I would be playing a 4 in the back, most likely a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2

Lilshmike
Post #20
Friday February 1, 2019 10:52pm

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Original post from John-Lewis

Wouldn't Fabian Johnson be to old to play in the World Cup?
No, not exactly. He will be at that age where depending on if he is still playing, if he would care to play again for the USMNT, and how our LB pool looks, he could be a legitimate option for us at LB or a depth piece.

Not saying he will be around, simply saying that we shouldn't count him out just yet.

Dave
Post #21
Saturday February 2, 2019 6:57am

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There are a few options that could potentially play on the left side....unfortunately not many of them are true left backs and many of our lift sided players are still too inexperienced to step into the full national team.

Left Backs:
Robinson (LB/LM), Villafana (LB), Garza (LB), D. Acosta (LB), Olosunde (RB/LB),
Gloster (LB/RB), Fabian (LB/LM)

Left Mid:
Green (LM/CM), Amon (LM), Saief (LM/CM), Taitague (LM/RM), Lankford (LM/RM),
Busio (LM), Scott (LM/CM), Manneh (LM)

The other problem we have is that many of the LB options are aging out or aren't likely to be good enough for the international game beyond the CONCACAF region.

There are some other young options who could potentially play on the left, even though they are possibly better suited for the center or on the right.

hamsamwich
Post #22
Friday January 8, 2021 1:54pm

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Bello, Vines, Gloster: three go into camp, only one comes out starting in the game vs Serbia. The "winner" of this mini competition will have a domestic advantage for a lot of this years games. We all are hoping Bello shows well, his injuries have been sad....

***I'm still of the opinion we are going to see a midfielder in that left back spot come World Cup time. In the same way that Adams has been played on the right (where USA actually have plenty of right backs available- it doesn't on the left), I think we have a very good chance to see that on the left rather than putting Sergino there. Of course that's if this domestic trio can't provide an alternative to Robinson, who himself needs to improve to hold down his spot.

There's one left footed midfielder that has not been mentioned yet... Pomykal. He's currently injured but has that winger skill set, has that grinder defensive mentality, has the ability to cut inside into the central midfield zone and help to make a difference from that LB position.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #23
Friday January 8, 2021 2:46pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

Bello, Vines, Gloster: three go into camp, only one comes out starting in the game vs Serbia. The "winner" of this mini competition will have a domestic advantage for a lot of this years games. We all are hoping Bello shows well, his injuries have been sad....

***I'm still of the opinion we are going to see a midfielder in that left back spot come World Cup time. In the same way that Adams has been played on the right (where USA actually have plenty of right backs available- it doesn't on the left), I think we have a very good chance to see that on the left rather than putting Sergino there. Of course that's if this domestic trio can't provide an alternative to Robinson, who himself needs to improve to hold down his spot.

There's one left footed midfielder that has not been mentioned yet... Pomykal. He's currently injured but has that winger skill set, has that grinder defensive mentality, has the ability to cut inside into the central midfield zone and help to make a difference from that LB position.


There are 3 types of moves like this that come to mind: Kellyn Acosta, Claudio Reyna, & Phillip Lahm (by no means am i comparing talent level here). The Acosta experiment just did not work. Reyna worked because he knew it was the only way of making the team that was about counter attacking so it wasn't about fluidity. Lahm worked because he made the move at club level, and of course its Lahm. I just don't think moving a CM to LB is the answer, I like Pomykal....just not there

hamsamwich
Post #24
Friday January 8, 2021 2:54pm

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@portcityfan- I'm definitely leaving the door open like I said for offensive improvement from Robinson- and/or quick maturation from one of these three guys in camp.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #25
Friday January 8, 2021 7:44pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

@portcityfan- I'm definitely leaving the door open like I said for offensive improvement from Robinson- and/or quick maturation from one of these three guys in camp.


I agree, I hope that one of these guys steps up. My money is on Gloster, kid just has too much promise. He just need to find the right setup. I don't know that Fulham is the best situation for Robinson to develop his crossing and offensive prowess, English soccer is too rigid. I wish his transfer to AC MIlan had gone through, I feel that the Italian brand of soccer has a little more beauty and finesse to it.

Dave
Post #26
Saturday January 9, 2021 3:33am

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Converting a LM to a LB is always an option, and one that has been successful for the USMNT in the past (Beasley & Fabian), but I don't see many options in the US Pool right now who could make that transition/conversion.
I agree that the 3 called into this years January camp (Bello, Vines, Gloster) "will have a domestic advantage for a lot of this years games." That doesn't mean that they'll have an inside tract for making the Full "A-Team".
I still believe that A. Robinson is the best LB option right now. I think he just needs more time with the US players to feel comfortable and show what his actual quality is.
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As long as Dest is part of the Team/Available it will always come down to the question of if the Back-Up RB is better than the top LB option. For this cycle if Robinson does fail to settle down or regresses we're more likely to see Dest move to LB than magically find someone can play LB better than Cannon/Yedlin can play RB. It may depreciate what Dest brings to the game as an individual, but it may improve the overall defense as a group. There's basically 16 months for Robinson (or someone) to prove that they are a better LB than any of our RB depth players. At that point Gregg needs to make a final decision on what his pecking is and move forwards with the top 4 backs for the final prep ahead of the 2022 WC. After December 2022 the window re-opens to audition for the starting LB position and the back-up RB position.
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RB - Dest, Cannon, Yedlin, Renyolds, Richards, Araujo/Duncan/Scally
LB - Dest, A. Robinson, Bello/Vines/Gloster/Hernandez-Foster/Gomez
There are options at both back positions, but most of the LB options are inexperienced and raw. The RB's have more experience and are mostly playing at a higher level.

hamsamwich
Post #27
Monday January 18, 2021 7:30pm

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@dave- this is from today's interview with Pomykal from one goal.us-

‘When it comes to a USMNT perspective, Pomykal is able to slot in anywhere. Where he is going to settle in to get the best out of him for 2021 and beyond has yet to be seen. Interestingly enough, Pomykal actually trained at left-back for FC Dallas in 2020 in preparation for the MLS Is Back Tournament that FC Dallas wasn't able to participate in.

"I prefer to be in the middle because I'm always involved in the game. Offense and defense, you can never turn off and you're always engaged. Generally speaking, I like to play in the middle, but I also like to play on the wing, as a false nine even. Some left-back. So that's part of my game, being versatile." '

I didn't know any of this I was just speculating.

Dave
Post #28
Tuesday January 19, 2021 2:04am

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Original post from hamsamwich

@dave- this is from today's interview with Pomykal from one goal.us-

‘When it comes to a USMNT perspective, Pomykal is able to slot in anywhere. Where he is going to settle in to get the best out of him for 2021 and beyond has yet to be seen. Interestingly enough, Pomykal actually trained at left-back for FC Dallas in 2020 in preparation for the MLS Is Back Tournament that FC Dallas wasn't able to participate in.

"I prefer to be in the middle because I'm always involved in the game. Offense and defense, you can never turn off and you're always engaged. Generally speaking, I like to play in the middle, but I also like to play on the wing, as a false nine even. Some left-back. So that's part of my game, being versatile." '

I didn't know any of this I was just speculating.


I like Pomykal and if he's healthy I expect him to be a major contributor to the Olympic Qualifying roster in March. He's an intelligent player with grit who has good versatility. I actually have him & Otasowie as dark horses to make the final 23 for 2023 because of their versatility.
If Pomykal wants to make a run at Left Back, more power to him...But he'll need to get some club games at the position before I'd want to try him there for the National Team (outside a friendly and we're running out of Friendlies to test the option).
That said if 1 or 2 of the RB depth options (Cannon, Yedlin, Reynolds) make serious strides or get HOT right before the WC...moving Dest to LB still might be the best course of action for the team as a hole.

hamsamwich
Post #29
Tuesday January 19, 2021 3:03am

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There are plenty of games to try that option looking ahead to the 2022 World Cup that's almost 2 years out. Yes, it's not something I'd expect to be integrated early in qualifying- more likely a gold cup or nations league deal, or later on once we've qualified. I've always been a big believer in getting the best guys out there. I've consistently said Robinson has the first and best shot. But outside that we argue whether Vines or Gloster is good enough. Or young George. I think as a soccer player Pomykal is better than the others especially at attacking from the wing or if Gregg wanted to invert the LB this guy is a midfielder at heart. I want to see these three young guys grab the bull by the horns this month and prove to Gregg that at least one of them is up to the job.

Dave
Post #30
Wednesday January 20, 2021 1:08am

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@hamsamwich - I have to disagree that there are plenty of games to try out many more project/transition type players as Pomykal at LB.
I think we can all agree that the HEX is not the place to try such an experiment, unless we've already qualified. So that leaves:
March friendlies - Not probable since he'll likely be a CM for Olympic Qualification.
June Nations Ligue - Possible...but will depend on how experimental Gregg goes here.
Gold Cup - Hard to pass up an opportunity to give our core an extended period together. Pomykal could be tried as a fringe player, but I'm not seeing it.
August/Sept Olympics - Again most likely Pomykal will be in this group
Sept WCQ - again don't see us testing too many new Ideas here.
2022 Jan Camp - Best opportunity to try it.
WCQ 22 - Again are they going to experiment here?

Yes there are some opportunities still available to try new things, but not as many as people seem to believe.

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