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bjelks
Post #61
Tuesday February 19, 2019 2:05am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from cudevil

A) It's called cronyism. And no, it's not semantics. Nepotism is based on familial relationships and it's significant in this context because of the fact that Bradley did have nepotism claims thrown at him when he was first called into the Nats and Bob was the coach.

B) The only thing that is hurtful about your posts is the damage they do to the concepts of reason and logic. It's eight types of stupid to argue that calling in a black/Hispanic player with an MLS background over a black/Hispanic player from Europe. It's pretty goddamn obvious what the difference is (hint: it is not skin color). If you want to continue railing against the preference for MLS players, that's fine. But calling it racism de-values the term.


A) Again nepotism also includes friend relationships

B) Well calling in minority players from MLS feeds into promoting the USSF and MLS, so it's all a part of the same crooked agenda.
But I'm just curious how a brown player that starts in Bundesliga, with no MLS or USSF youth ties can't get a call up because he had a bad game 6 yrs ago, when Anglo players like Bradley and Trapp continuously have bad games and continue to get calls.
It appears there's a double standard in favor of the less qualified white guy.
If that's not a form of racism, I don't know what is.
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PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #62
Tuesday February 19, 2019 2:31am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 204
Original post from bjelks

A) Again nepotism also includes friend relationships

B) Well calling in minority players from MLS feeds into promoting the USSF and MLS, so it's all a part of the same crooked agenda.
But I'm just curious how a brown player that starts in Bundesliga, with no MLS or USSF youth ties can't get a call up because he had a bad game 6 yrs ago, when Anglo players like Bradley and Trapp continuously have bad games and continue to get calls.
It appears there's a double standard in favor of the less qualified white guy.
If that's not a form of racism, I don't know what is.


It is possible that maybe those coaches were so ignorant that they did not rate the players highly enough.....by your standards. Racism is ignorance, but Not all ignorance is Racism.

bjelks
Post #63
Tuesday February 19, 2019 12:21pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from Lilshmike

Oh, you know... like Olosunde, Robinson, Moore, CCV, Amon, Gall, EPB... all those guys were called in within the last year. If racism was an issue, then these guys wouldn't have been called in.

Again, you keep defeating your own arguments and making baseless, ridiculous claims. Again, it's not everyone else who is blind. It's you who is completely out of touch. Its beyond the point of saying stop to be honest. You never quit regardless of the situation. You're nonsense and stupidity is next level.


They were called and haven't recieved the benefit of white mls players who have either played at a lower level or had a bad performance.
Again, my whole pt is that the playing field hasn't been level. Gall ripped up Sweden for a yr before a call up and didn't even get a start, when Trapp was handed the armband for no reason.
That's white privilege or another form of racism.
Racism doesn't mean everyone of that race is treated unfairly either. During the American slavery period, the house slaves were treated better than the field slaves. Just a little context for someone who may not be educated on the subject because it doesn't affect them.

Just accept that you're prejudice against Morales and move on
goalsense
db707
Post #64
Tuesday February 19, 2019 1:10pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
bjelks, you need a new hobby. Sad that a thread about Tyler Adams, who is doing great in Bundesliga, devolved into your paranoid, ill-informed rantings.

bjelks
Post #65
Tuesday February 19, 2019 2:01pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from db707

bjelks, you need a new hobby. Sad that a thread about Tyler Adams, who is doing great in Bundesliga, devolved into your paranoid, ill-informed rantings.


Actually @2tone made a joke about Bradley being in Matt Doyle's starting ideal midfield and I added Bradley has not earned even being in the 23 as an example of his unmerited preferential treatment.
Then I gave examples of minority players playing at higher levels than Bradley and Trapp that get overlooked for no logical reason.
Then @lilshmike gave examples of minority players that aren't established that have got opportunities, even though they don't negate the fact that quite a few are treated unfairly.

Now @db707 your silly uninformed ass tries to jump in some shit that doesn't concern you and be tough guy. How about you know what the fuck is going on first then add some substance to the convo.
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #66
Tuesday February 19, 2019 2:02pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,143
Because he's a Germerican.... dude for the last time. What don't you get about the anti German backlash of Klinsmann and Chandler and Johnson etc?? It was and is real. Jurgen tried him more than once and it just didn't work. He's an average player, good enough to be a player on relegation fodder or a top second division team. Much like Tim Ream where's your outrage there??? Hell people straight up call Yedlin our only premier league player lol. Be consistent and bang the drum for Ream.

db707
Post #67
Tuesday February 19, 2019 2:33pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
Original post from bjelks

Actually @2tone made a joke about Bradley being in Matt Doyle's starting ideal midfield and I added Bradley has not earned even being in the 23 as an example of his unmerited preferential treatment.
Then I gave examples of minority players playing at higher levels than Bradley and Trapp that get overlooked for no logical reason.
Then @lilshmike gave examples of minority players that aren't established that have got opportunities, even though they don't negate the fact that quite a few are treated unfairly.

Now @db707 your silly uninformed ass tries to jump in some shit that doesn't concern you and be tough guy. How about you know what the fuck is going on first then add some substance to the convo.


This isn't a conversation, this is you ranting like an idiot. So there's no point in adding substance to the nothing you are bringing to the table. I'll focus on responding to those who actually want to discuss relevant things and I suggest others here do the same, leave you to your echo chamber.

bjelks
Post #68
Tuesday February 19, 2019 3:24pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from db707

This isn't a conversation, this is you ranting like an idiot. So there's no point in adding substance to the nothing you are bringing to the table. I'll focus on responding to those who actually want to discuss relevant things and I suggest others here do the same, leave you to your echo chamber.


Yet you continue to respond like an idiot. You're right, just because I don't agree that MLS is full
of World Class players and all MLS starters that are white should get a shot at the national team like you, I'm bringing nothing to the table.
Wanna talk relevance? Let's talk about how a manager that prioritized playing MLS players over better abroad players led us to our biggest failure ever, and jackasses like you want to double down on this philosophy.
goalsense
Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #69
Tuesday February 19, 2019 4:45pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,404
Dude what world do you live in. Literally no one in this forum has ever said anyone in the MLS who plays for the USMNT is world class. Everyone has been shockingly patient with you, and you're ignoring them and doubling down on senseless reductive statements, like Klinnsman prioritizing MLS players, or that racism played into our lineups that were at least half filled with POC at any point. Our starting 11 vs Costa Rica in WC qualifying 5th round was probably our best attacking 11, regardless of league, and half the team was euro based. Johnson was in that lineup, and we fucking sucked.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #70
Tuesday February 19, 2019 4:46pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,404
Tyler Adams, on the other hand, doesn't fucking suck. Hurray for that

db707
Post #71
Tuesday February 19, 2019 4:49pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
Original post from Fraser31

Tyler Adams, on the other hand, doesn't fucking suck. Hurray for that


Indeed, really pleased to see his development, he has the skills and the mentality to be a top player for us.

bjelks
Post #72
Tuesday February 19, 2019 6:01pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from Fraser31

Dude what world do you live in. Literally no one in this forum has ever said anyone in the MLS who plays for the USMNT is world class. Everyone has been shockingly patient with you, and you're ignoring them and doubling down on senseless reductive statements, like Klinnsman prioritizing MLS players, or that racism played into our lineups that were at least half filled with POC at any point. Our starting 11 vs Costa Rica in WC qualifying 5th round was probably our best attacking 11, regardless of league, and half the team was euro based. Johnson was in that lineup, and we fucking sucked.


@lilshmike and @db707 has a history of expressing that MLS players past their prime are better than EPL and Bundesliga options.

If we want to pick the players that are playing at the highest level, it's bullshit to say Morales who starts in Bundesliga shouldn't be in consideration because he had a bad game 6 yrs ago and gift his roster spot to Bradley and Trapp who have had several bad games over the past few yrs and play in a lesser league.

I never said JK prioritized MLS players, but Arena said he did numerous times on record and we can't tell Sarachan did by his track record.

I don't remember that lineup, share it we can discuss it.

If that Costa Rica game was after GC, Mckennie and Miazga should've been included
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hamsamwich
Post #73
Wednesday February 20, 2019 1:45pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,143
Pretty sure everyone is on board with Tyler Adams starting ahead of Bradley and Trapp. The "MLS fans" know Adams is better than the other two as he outperformed them in MLS. Arguing about fringe players who won't improve the team for 2022 is a waste of time.... where's the Tim Ream outrage @bjelks. Be consistent.

As a USA fan you must remember the hammering we took from Costa Rica that got Jurgen fires? We don't need to post the lineup that doesn't matter now we have a new coach and new players and a new system. Tyler Adams balls out every week and is that defensive midfielder.

bjelks
Post #74
Wednesday February 20, 2019 5:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from hamsamwich

Pretty sure everyone is on board with Tyler Adams starting ahead of Bradley and Trapp. The "MLS fans" know Adams is better than the other two as he outperformed them in MLS. Arguing about fringe players who won't improve the team for 2022 is a waste of time.... where's the Tim Ream outrage @bjelks. Be consistent.

As a USA fan you must remember the hammering we took from Costa Rica that got Jurgen fires? We don't need to post the lineup that doesn't matter now we have a new coach and new players and a new system. Tyler Adams balls out every week and is that defensive midfielder.


There are people that have argued that Bradley should start which is laughable to me.
I don't ever think it's a waste of time to argue over roster spots, because you don't know who will be called on to play and in what role. And it's detrimental to our ability to compete against top level teams when we have guys that can be singled out as liabilities ie Trapp or Bradley in a reserve role.
When you say "fringe players", I can think of only 5 guys that are automatic call ups to everyone in this thread and everyone else we curse and fight about, so most guys are fringe.
Furthermore, I believe in a competitive game against a good team, Morales and healthy D Will in a reserve role significantly improve our chances to win balls in midfield over Bradley and Trapp.
Regarding Ream, I don't mind if he's called in, but I feel we have younger options playing at a close level to him with much more upside.
I think we're pretty deep at CB, outside of Adams and Mckennie, CM has been a shitshow.
goalsense
Dave
Post #75
Thursday February 21, 2019 3:09am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 996
@bjelks - The only people I've seen lobby for Bradley over Adams have been people who want Adams to play as a Right Back/Right Wingback. Otherwise it has been fairly universal that Bradley is a depth option.

I would agree 100% that a healthy & in form D. Williams is an upgrade to either Bradley or Trapp. He's more athletic, a more physical presence defensively (ball winner), and equal/better passer of the ball.

I'm less inclined to rank Morales as a better option. To me Morales, Trapp, Bradley, & Acosta are all basically equal. To me its a flip of the coin that may come down to who we are playing against.

If I were to rank the CDM's in our pool right now (considering all were healthy) I'd rank them as follows:
1) Adams
2) McKennie (more of an 8, but can/will play as a 6)
3) Williams
4) Morales/Acosta/Bradley (Morales Physical, Acosta Athletic, Bradley Experience)
5) Trapp (Familiar with system only reason I have him above Canouse)
6) Canouse
7) Durkin (Rising up the ranks fast)

I'm only listing the guys who could play the lone CDM role, not players who could be paired with another in a 4-2-3-1 where they can split the responsibility.

I don't view Parks, Roldan, or Delgado as CDMs. I don't think they have the defensive chops to be lone CDMs. But all 3 could be used as CDMs if partnered with someone.

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