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Lilshmike
Post #346
Friday September 25, 2020 6:08pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

I would agree for the most part except for Steffen. In the modern game the ability for a keeper to be able to competently play the ball with their feet is must and Steffen is far superior to the others in that regard. I would say of the others only Friedel was a better shot stopper.
Hot take there.

I have to disagree. And if I'm being honest, I may even take peak Meola or Hahnemann, or peak Guzan when he was in the Prem, over Steffen. But hey, personal preference I suppose.

hamsamwich
Post #347
Friday September 25, 2020 7:41pm

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I'm not gonna copy and paste and bold out and underline and use quote marks. Listen to Gregg and go back and re-read your stuff on this thread. You've said a lot and it's consistent but it's giving the coach a super low bar when he doesn't want it.

I'd strongly disagree except for a few spots about these players and the previous generations. As I've said on this thread enough, the World Cup isn't for two and half more club seasons. That's a long time for these guys careers. Weston will hopefully be in his third year at Juventus, maybe a fourth year for Pulisic at Chelsea and cross the fingers by then Tyler Adams upgrades again. By December 2022 I'm willing to bet Berhalter likes his depth and chances at getting out of the group stage. It's ok to admit that Gregg and those same people on this board with "too high of expectations" are thinking more alike in terms of what being successful means.

The way your posts come off as long as Gregg does just enough, doesn't offend and hands the keys off to the next coach in spring of ‘23 then that will be good enough. Maybe that's not what you're meaning to say but that's how I'm taking it. And I'm willing to bet the majority of the others too. Gregg doesn't need excuses he didn't ask for them as a player nor now as a coach.

Know Nothing
Post #348
Friday September 25, 2020 8:19pm

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Original post from Lilshmike

Hot take there.

I have to disagree. And if I'm being honest, I may even take peak Meola or Hahnemann, or peak Guzan when he was in the Prem, over Steffen. But hey, personal preference I suppose.


Meola may have been the best pure athlete at the position, but he could not read the game all that well. For me, the modern day equivalent to Meola would be Bill Hamid. IMO Hahnemann was nothing more than a consummate professional, same as Guzan.

bjelks
Post #349
Friday September 25, 2020 8:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Lilshmike

I'm going to completely neglect everything else you've said because its a bunch of nonsense, except for what I put in bold.

Hate to break it to you... but thats not fact, and I'm willing to bet that lots of people, especially on this board, may beg to differ.

Compare what we have to 2002 or 2010 or times in between.

Dest and Yedlin are good... but I'm taking Cherundolo any day of the week at RB if we are comparing him to where they are now.

Peak Onyewu and Bocanegra?

Steffen compared to Howard or Friedel or Keller... that one isn't even close.

Sargent now compared to peak McBride or Dempsey?

Peak Bradley and Jones compared to McKennie and Adams now? Thats a tough one as well, not an easy one... and we don't have the luxury of comparing against a Adams and McKennie midfield because we've not seen it yet (Adams has been hurt, there have been limited windows).

Antonee Robinson compared to Fabian Johnson or Beasley at LB? I'm not sold on Robinson just yet...

Pulisic is in a class of his own... but other than him, there is nobody in our pool who would be able to top peak Donovan out wide... I'll even go so far as to say peak Beasley as well...

But of course... knowing you and how you handle differing opinions, me saying any of this would be called some sort of fanboyism or racism.


Dest is being fought over by Bayern and Barca, lol stop It

Peak Boca and Guch, please correct me if I'm wrong but neither have ever been worth what JAB is worth right now. I'll even say Pope was better than both internationally but not the club resume.
There was really nothing special about either.
I don't know how you could say they were better than EPB, CCV, Crich from a quality perspective

You can compare club resumes alone, Mckennie and Adams are at higher levels.
That's plain and dry.

Beas, Fabian and Antonee maybe on par. Fabian probably the most technical. Antonee probably the most athletic.

Peak Donovan couldn't start for Reyna's Dortmund team. Doubt he could make Barca's bench
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Lilshmike
Post #350
Friday September 25, 2020 10:06pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

Meola may have been the best pure athlete at the position, but he could not read the game all that well. For me, the modern day equivalent to Meola would be Bill Hamid. IMO Hahnemann was nothing more than a consummate professional, same as Guzan.
Meola played in World Cups. Captained us in a World Cup. Was playing for the national team when he was still in college... all of this before there was even a real pro league in the US...

Times were different, I know. I'd compare Hamid to more of a Thornton or Cannon. Always on the fringes. A decent 4th or 5th option, but when everyone was available, never good enough to crack the top 3. Still, good enough to be in the pool and part of the picture. Remember, Hamid flopped in Denmark...

hamsamwich
Post #351
Saturday September 26, 2020 1:51pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Starting again for Leipzig against Leverkusen. Hoping Tyler keeps up his through passes and big switches he hit a few of each last game. It was a performance to build on let's see what this week brings.

Know Nothing
Post #352
Saturday September 26, 2020 5:22pm

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Original post from Lilshmike

Meola played in World Cups. Captained us in a World Cup. Was playing for the national team when he was still in college... all of this before there was even a real pro league in the US...

Times were different, I know. I'd compare Hamid to more of a Thornton or Cannon. Always on the fringes. A decent 4th or 5th option, but when everyone was available, never good enough to crack the top 3. Still, good enough to be in the pool and part of the picture. Remember, Hamid flopped in Denmark...


He played in World Cups because he was the best option we had at the time. He was a good keeper for us at the times, but it does not make him in any way more talented. Since you are a huge proponent of how players did at their clubs, he could manage a grand total of 11 games playing for Brighton and Watford (2 in the league). Have you ever heard of Perry Digweed? He was the one keeping him on the bench at Brighton.

And to be clear, I was comparing style and athleticism between Meola and Hamid, not accomplishemnts.

Lilshmike
Post #353
Saturday September 26, 2020 7:56pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

He played in World Cups because he was the best option we had at the time. He was a good keeper for us at the times, but it does not make him in any way more talented. Since you are a huge proponent of how players did at their clubs, he could manage a grand total of 11 games playing for Brighton and Watford (2 in the league). Have you ever heard of Perry Digweed? He was the one keeping him on the bench at Brighton.

And to be clear, I was comparing style and athleticism between Meola and Hamid, not accomplishemnts.
I know exactly what you were comparing.

Never heard of Digweed. Know of Juergen Sommer though, another goalkeeper. We could even stretch into guys like Darren Randolph and Paul Rachubka, even though they didn't play for our national team...

whyneverme
Post #354
Sunday October 4, 2020 3:39pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Anyone know why Adams was not on the game day roster yesterday? Or was he and I just overlooked him?

bjelks
Post #355
Sunday October 4, 2020 4:01pm

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Back soreness
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hamsamwich
Post #356
Monday March 1, 2021 3:50pm

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I just wanted to comment on the leadership role you can see Adams has within Leipzig. It's the same quality he had from NYRB and the youth national teams. A born leader and someone who accepts responsibility. His game has gotten so much better over time and it's due to his work ethic. I believe as I always have he is the captain of this USA squad even now - and brings the best out of his teammates. I think it's time this summer Gregg give him the armband and start to let the players get a little bit of the ownership of the squad. Sure Brooks has been around the block, weston plays for a big club and has heart, CP is class and has status within the group, but the leader is the one who sets the tone. Carlos bocanegra was a clear example of that. It's of the highest importance to have a player or players perform that role for the USA, not just the coach. Adams is ready for that.

stone88
Post #357
Monday March 1, 2021 4:46pm

Joined Aug 2012
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I agree...Tyler will definitely be the undisputed USA Captain if not now, def in the near future. The only problem I have with giving it to him now, is that he is still very young and inexperienced at the qualifying and World Cup level. Inexperienced especially when looking at a guy like JAB. And while this USA team is questionably talented...they are all still very young and inexperienced, which could be a major factor in how well they perform in the next year or two.

If I had my choice today, I give it to Brooks 9/10 times. Brooks has it all! Ten years Bundesliga experience. Great tactical understanding and experience. He currently anchors perhaps the best defense in all of Germany.

The man has nearly 4 times the international caps Adams has. Brooks has successfully been through CONCACAF qualifying. Brooks has been to the WC. He helped us get out of the 2014 group of death facing down the likes of CR7 and the German 2014 WC champs. He has been to the knockout rounds of the WC. He has been with the squad during its highest highs and our lowest lows. He has seen everything and he knows exactly what it takes.

I know Adams might be the prettier choice for the fans and the media, being an all-american New York boy. But when your a young player out there on the pitch facing the likes of Mexico in the Azteca during qualifying or in a WC round of 16 knockout match against the likes of Germany or Belgium; who would you rather turn to? A fresh faced kid or a man who has already been there and done that.

stoked-3
Post #358
Monday March 1, 2021 10:23pm

Joined Mar 2020
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Original post from stone88

I agree...Tyler will definitely be the undisputed USA Captain if not now, def in the near future. The only problem I have with giving it to him now, is that he is still very young and inexperienced at the qualifying and World Cup level. Inexperienced especially when looking at a guy like JAB. And while this USA team is questionably talented...they are all still very young and inexperienced, which could be a major factor in how well they perform in the next year or two.

If I had my choice today, I give it to Brooks 9/10 times. Brooks has it all! Ten years Bundesliga experience. Great tactical understanding and experience. He currently anchors perhaps the best defense in all of Germany.

The man has nearly 4 times the international caps Adams has. Brooks has successfully been through CONCACAF qualifying. Brooks has been to the WC. He helped us get out of the 2014 group of death facing down the likes of CR7 and the German 2014 WC champs. He has been to the knockout rounds of the WC. He has been with the squad during its highest highs and our lowest lows. He has seen everything and he knows exactly what it takes.

I know Adams might be the prettier choice for the fans and the media, being an all-american New York boy. But when your a young player out there on the pitch facing the likes of Mexico in the Azteca during qualifying or in a WC round of 16 knockout match against the likes of Germany or Belgium; who would you rather turn to? A fresh faced kid or a man who has already been there and done that.


I agree Brooks experience is valuable to an extent. It is obvious he is world class defender as well. But I have 2 concerns with him.

1 He has indicated in the past there is some sort of disconnect with the national team. But If he is all in on the Nats and the players respect him I wouldn't have a problem with him being captain.

2. The bigger issue is he can't stay healthy--I am not counting on him or CP to be a starter for us-they just can not stay healthy.

What I like about Adams is the toughness, never quit mentality to go along with his skill -the type of grit he brings is what we need in Mexico or WCQ when we are up 1 nil with 10 mins to go and we need to close out a game or when the typical bs chippiness happens he will not back down and will be able to match that intensity

hamsamwich
Post #359
Monday March 1, 2021 10:34pm

Joined Oct 2013
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I feel like Brooks has not gone to a successful WC qualifying.... I think Jurgen called him up just prior to the WC itself and Besler/Gonzalez were the CB pairing. I may be remembering it wrong. He did play and score in the World Cup so can't take that away from him. He's a fantastic player. But is he that leader? I'd rather him just play and defend and pass and whatnot, let someone else worry about the leadership responsibilities.

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