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Dave
Post #16
Wednesday January 16, 2019 5:57am

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Looking forward to the development of the US's midfield over the next couple years. We look to have some good players to build with. Yes, they are inexperienced and will have some ups and downs, but their progression should be fun to watch.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #17
Thursday January 17, 2019 7:21pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Will be in the 18 man roster this weekend for Leipzig versus Pulisic and Dortmund.

Dave
Post #18
Friday January 18, 2019 5:11am

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Original post from 2tone

Will be in the 18 man roster this weekend for Leipzig versus Pulisic and Dortmund.


A positive sign that the coach & club value him considering they're pushing for a top 4 finish and hes a young mid-season transfer that's only been with them 2 weeks.
Give him a bit more time to build some chemistry with his new teammates, and get use to his new clubs style of play.

venicebeachbull
Post #19
Friday January 18, 2019 6:49am

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 131
Excited for Saturday. Enjoying the Bundesliga even more with the rise & frequency of YA matchups. Future Adams vs McKennie battles will be fun.

hamsamwich
Post #20
Friday January 18, 2019 11:38pm

Joined Oct 2013
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I fully expect Adams to get stuck in- especially with Sancho out there. I do think he will play in the second half at minimum.

hamsamwich
Post #21
Tuesday February 5, 2019 3:16pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,161
So three games in, Adams has started the last two. Made bundesliga team of the week after he was player of the week for the whole league in his debut. Impressive.

And as we move forward I'm not understanding why people would put him out at RB, when he may be our most impactful player defensively. For me having Adams own the base of midfield is the key to this team moving forward. More athletic than Bradley/Trapp, his field vision and timing is just as good as those guys, as is his passing which seems to have jumped up a notch in his short time at Leipzig and will continue to get better. Maybe someone could explain why they think taking Adams out of the midfield and off to the side at RB???

bjelks
Post #22
Tuesday February 5, 2019 3:50pm

Joined Nov 2012
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@hamsamwich Thanks for reassuring me I'm not crazy. I've been screaming this for 2 yrs.
goalsense
Lilshmike
Post #23
Tuesday February 5, 2019 4:36pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,198
Wouldn't you want our most impactful player defensively playing in... defense?

Its not always about putting out the best players in their best positions... its about putting out the best 11 collectively. The whole needs to be greater than the sum of the parts...

As we have seen from the new system, the RB role shifts to CM when we are on the attack. I genuinely don't know if there is a person in our entire pool better suited to play this role than Adams.

Fabian Johnson is a natural LM, but has played LB, RB, and LM - and some of our best performances came when he was not playing LM. Making the argument that Adams, as a CM, should not play RB because it is not his natural position is like making the argument that Pulisic should not play CAM/CF/LW because it is not his natural position. If you claim for one to happen, and shame the other, your contradicting yourself and presenting a hypocritical argument.

Adams playing as a lone CDM is fine, but remember, hes short. He is 5'9". Think he is going to be able to provide any type of help in the air defensively? No. There is something to be said about height in that role. The main question about Wil Trapp is his size. He isn't very tall/strong either. People focus on speed and athleticism... but that isn't everything and is a very narrow view of a position/player.

Let's imagine we continue playing in Berhalter's system from this previous camp. We have 3 CMS - a designated CDM, box to box, and CAM.

Adam's would play either the CDM or box to box role. McKennie would also play one of those roles. Its very likely that neither would be the CAM. The CDM does not shift. The CAM does not shift. The box to box though is different... when we are on defense, the box to box guy is playing as a CDM, but when we get the ball in transition and move forward, that player moves to the attack - while the RB simultaneously moves to fill the gap left by that box to box player in the midfield.

Candidly, if we are talking about the CDM role, I would say that McKennie is better suited for that position than Adams. If we are talking about the box to box role, I would say McKennie is also better suited to the role. So the question becomes... who would play where?

Unpopular opinion, but I think Bradley may still be our best option in that CDM role... not because he is the best, but because the players who could play it would serve the team as a whole better if they are in a different role. By this, I am referring to McKennie. For the following example, I am going to assume Bradley is in the starting lineup. Bradley holding, McKennie as the box to box, with Adams out at RB makes sense. When we are defending, McKennie drops to CDM alongside Bradley and Adams is playing in the back at RB. When we transition to attack, Mckennie moves forward and Adams shifts to fill the gap left by McKennie next to Bradley. If we get caught on a counter... well, Adams is in the middle in the CDM role.

The main point is, we have guys who can play those CM positions and roles almost as good as (if not better than) Adams. But if Adams plays out at RB... he might actually be better suited for the position than anyone else in the pool and may help out our team more by playing in that position than say, Yedlin or Lima or Cannon. Having Adams in CM may not be a big improvement over another player (McKennie), but could be a large improvement in RB over others. The whole of the team may be greater with Adams at RB than without.

Lilshmike
Post #24
Tuesday February 5, 2019 4:39pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,198
Not saying it will happen or anything like that... only presenting a rationale for why Adams playing at RB may make sense.

And as I have said before... he is like a Lahm or Kimmich type of player. Both have played CDM and RB. All depends on where they help the team most - not necessarily what is their best position.

bjelks
Post #25
Tuesday February 5, 2019 5:13pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,260
Original post from Lilshmike

Wouldn't you want our most impactful player defensively playing in... defense?

Its not always about putting out the best players in their best positions... its about putting out the best 11 collectively. The whole needs to be greater than the sum of the parts...

As we have seen from the new system, the RB role shifts to CM when we are on the attack. I genuinely don't know if there is a person in our entire pool better suited to play this role than Adams.

Fabian Johnson is a natural LM, but has played LB, RB, and LM - and some of our best performances came when he was not playing LM. Making the argument that Adams, as a CM, should not play RB because it is not his natural position is like making the argument that Pulisic should not play CAM/CF/LW because it is not his natural position. If you claim for one to happen, and shame the other, your contradicting yourself and presenting a hypocritical argument.

Adams playing as a lone CDM is fine, but remember, hes short. He is 5'9". Think he is going to be able to provide any type of help in the air defensively? No. There is something to be said about height in that role. The main question about Wil Trapp is his size. He isn't very tall/strong either. People focus on speed and athleticism... but that isn't everything and is a very narrow view of a position/player.

Let's imagine we continue playing in Berhalter's system from this previous camp. We have 3 CMS - a designated CDM, box to box, and CAM.

Adam's would play either the CDM or box to box role. McKennie would also play one of those roles. Its very likely that neither would be the CAM. The CDM does not shift. The CAM does not shift. The box to box though is different... when we are on defense, the box to box guy is playing as a CDM, but when we get the ball in transition and move forward, that player moves to the attack - while the RB simultaneously moves to fill the gap left by that box to box player in the midfield.

Candidly, if we are talking about the CDM role, I would say that McKennie is better suited for that position than Adams. If we are talking about the box to box role, I would say McKennie is also better suited to the role. So the question becomes... who would play where?

Unpopular opinion, but I think Bradley may still be our best option in that CDM role... not because he is the best, but because the players who could play it would serve the team as a whole better if they are in a different role. By this, I am referring to McKennie. For the following example, I am going to assume Bradley is in the starting lineup. Bradley holding, McKennie as the box to box, with Adams out at RB makes sense. When we are defending, McKennie drops to CDM alongside Bradley and Adams is playing in the back at RB. When we transition to attack, Mckennie moves forward and Adams shifts to fill the gap left by McKennie next to Bradley. If we get caught on a counter... well, Adams is in the middle in the CDM role.

The main point is, we have guys who can play those CM positions and roles almost as good as (if not better than) Adams. But if Adams plays out at RB... he might actually be better suited for the position than anyone else in the pool and may help out our team more by playing in that position than say, Yedlin or Lima or Cannon. Having Adams in CM may not be a big improvement over another player (McKennie), but could be a large improvement in RB over others. The whole of the team may be greater with Adams at RB than without.


So your idea is to take our established EPL starting RB who is arguably our best 1v1 wing defender off the field to put MB on at CDM?
And take 1 of our 2 best box to box/ touchline to touchline players and restrict him to the wing?
Interesting...
goalsense
John-Lewis
Post #26
Tuesday February 5, 2019 5:36pm

Joined Feb 2019
Total Posts: 59
Original post from Lilshmike

Wouldn't you want our most impactful player defensively playing in... defense?

Its not always about putting out the best players in their best positions... its about putting out the best 11 collectively. The whole needs to be greater than the sum of the parts...

As we have seen from the new system, the RB role shifts to CM when we are on the attack. I genuinely don't know if there is a person in our entire pool better suited to play this role than Adams.

Fabian Johnson is a natural LM, but has played LB, RB, and LM - and some of our best performances came when he was not playing LM. Making the argument that Adams, as a CM, should not play RB because it is not his natural position is like making the argument that Pulisic should not play CAM/CF/LW because it is not his natural position. If you claim for one to happen, and shame the other, your contradicting yourself and presenting a hypocritical argument.

Adams playing as a lone CDM is fine, but remember, hes short. He is 5'9". Think he is going to be able to provide any type of help in the air defensively? No. There is something to be said about height in that role. The main question about Wil Trapp is his size. He isn't very tall/strong either. People focus on speed and athleticism... but that isn't everything and is a very narrow view of a position/player.

Let's imagine we continue playing in Berhalter's system from this previous camp. We have 3 CMS - a designated CDM, box to box, and CAM.

Adam's would play either the CDM or box to box role. McKennie would also play one of those roles. Its very likely that neither would be the CAM. The CDM does not shift. The CAM does not shift. The box to box though is different... when we are on defense, the box to box guy is playing as a CDM, but when we get the ball in transition and move forward, that player moves to the attack - while the RB simultaneously moves to fill the gap left by that box to box player in the midfield.

Candidly, if we are talking about the CDM role, I would say that McKennie is better suited for that position than Adams. If we are talking about the box to box role, I would say McKennie is also better suited to the role. So the question becomes... who would play where?

Unpopular opinion, but I think Bradley may still be our best option in that CDM role... not because he is the best, but because the players who could play it would serve the team as a whole better if they are in a different role. By this, I am referring to McKennie. For the following example, I am going to assume Bradley is in the starting lineup. Bradley holding, McKennie as the box to box, with Adams out at RB makes sense. When we are defending, McKennie drops to CDM alongside Bradley and Adams is playing in the back at RB. When we transition to attack, Mckennie moves forward and Adams shifts to fill the gap left by McKennie next to Bradley. If we get caught on a counter... well, Adams is in the middle in the CDM role.

The main point is, we have guys who can play those CM positions and roles almost as good as (if not better than) Adams. But if Adams plays out at RB... he might actually be better suited for the position than anyone else in the pool and may help out our team more by playing in that position than say, Yedlin or Lima or Cannon. Having Adams in CM may not be a big improvement over another player (McKennie), but could be a large improvement in RB over others. The whole of the team may be greater with Adams at RB than without.


Whats wrong with just keeping Yedlin at Right back?

Lilshmike
Post #27
Tuesday February 5, 2019 5:38pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,198
Original post from bjelks

So your idea is to take our established EPL starting RB who is arguably our best 1v1 wing defender off the field to put MB on at CDM?
And take 1 of our 2 best box to box/ touchline to touchline players and restrict him to the wing?
Interesting...
No. I clearly stated that all I was doing was presenting a rationale for how it may make sense to put Adams at RB. That was in fact the question asked by hamsamwich in this thread.

My real idea is to start Terrence Boyd up top with Keaton Parks, Danny Williams, and Alfredo Morales all in the middle, and have either Dest or Moore at RB... then find a way to jam Sonora, Gooch, Wright, and Nova into the squad.

John-Lewis
Post #28
Tuesday February 5, 2019 5:41pm

Joined Feb 2019
Total Posts: 59
Original post from Lilshmike

No. I clearly stated that all I was doing was presenting a rationale for how it may make sense to put Adams at RB. That was in fact the question asked by hamsamwich in this thread.

My real idea is to start Terrence Boyd up top with Keaton Parks, Danny Williams, and Alfredo Morales all in the middle, and have either Dest or Moore at RB... then find a way to jam Sonora, Gooch, Wright, and Nova into the squad.


I wouldn't put Williams in the lineup since he hasn't played in a year and I wouldn't put Morales in since he hasn't shown any signs of greater development since he was 25.

Lilshmike
Post #29
Tuesday February 5, 2019 5:44pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,198
Original post from John-Lewis

Whats wrong with just keeping Yedlin at Right back?
Theres nothing wrong with it.

But if the RB role stays the same moving forward, other people may be able to improve the team more by playing that position. In particular, Adams.

If we attack 50% and defend 50% in a game, that means Yedlin will be playing CDM 50% of the game. Is that honestly the best thing for the team?

Managing is not about shoehorning the best 11 players into their best preferred position. Its about having the best 11 - regardless of where they are playing. As stated, the whole needs to be greater than the sum of the parts.

Not saying that the "whole" would be better with Adams at RB or Yedlin. Just presenting a rationale for why it might make sense and how it could possibly benefit us.

Lilshmike
Post #30
Tuesday February 5, 2019 5:45pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,198
Original post from John-Lewis

I wouldn't put Williams in the lineup since he hasn't played in a year and I wouldn't put Morales in since he hasn't shown any signs of greater development since he was 25.
That was sarcasm...

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