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Post #241
Wednesday August 19, 2020 5:56am

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 76
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Nice post and Bjelks is correct about a lot that he post. It's when he goes all conspiracy theory or racist theory that he is difficult to take seriously. I do get the points that he tries to make even if I don't always agree with them. Several of the players forn 2nd and 3rd division in Germany that he said should be automatic starters for the USMNT couldn't hack it in MLS. The league is much better than he gives it credit for.


I agree with alot of what he says minus the racist stuff as well. I think issue with US is more of mls bias than racism-for monetary reasons its better to promote mls players. I also believe their is ego GB thinking he can coach players up, and lack of vision from US soccer.

Im proud that Adams made the field today bummed at the result. but it also shows how hard it is to break into a good team-

Also read an quote from Jack Harris who used to play in mls and is now back in england: he said in american even if he had a bad game everyone told him he played well, when he got to england he had to delete his twitter b,c people would tell him how bad he played but he talked about how that has built a mental toughness for him -

hamsamwich
Post #242
Wednesday August 19, 2020 2:49pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,388
Not starting this big game will drive Adams into next year. He's the type to use this all as motivation. Working on his game is what will get him more playing time so I'm waiting to see what he adds for next season.

Dave
Post #243
Thursday August 20, 2020 3:06am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,090
Considering how much time Adams missed with injury this past season, and how he was used when he did return; one could argue that the manager was being cautious and allowing Adams time to fully recover and integrate back into the team without putting too much pressure/expectations on him.
I agree with hamsamwich that Adams will use this season as motivation to continue to push himself and become a more complete player that can/will be relied on for big games in the future. He's already a key component for a young/inexperienced USMNT and the experiences & leadership skills he gains with them should help prepare him for a more important role with his club. I know this is not the usual way.....usually you gain experience/leadership at the club level that can be applied at the international level, but right now players like Adams, Mckennie, & Pulisic are in positions of greater leadership within the USMNT than their clubs...and the lessons learned with the national team will help them shoulder increased burdens at the club level.
in the long run this will hopefully benefit both the players and the USMNT.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #244
Thursday August 20, 2020 5:19am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,018
Original post from bjelks

Except I never said either of those guys should be first choice starters. Didn't even use the phrase so much better. But I wouldn't say a 2.Liga player should be dismissed for an mls player. They're actually on par


You did, then when they didn't do well in MLS you stopped talking about them and pretended you didn't support them. You kept saying that Wooten scored 17 goals in a league stronger than MLS. People argued that it was a weaker league and you gave your usual responses. You still call for a bunch of untested guys to start and say that coaches are incompetent etc for starting proven vets above them. Maybe you are not the genius you think you are!

hamsamwich
Post #245
Wednesday September 16, 2020 3:53pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,388
Played deeper yesterday for Leipzig. Controlled the deep middle of the field playing almost like a libero. Nagelsmann actually used the term "quarterback" to describe Adams' play and position. It's all coming together. Nagelsmann (also Gaultier, Pirlo and Favre at the other clubs) doing the hard work for Gregg....

Lilshmike
Post #246
Wednesday September 16, 2020 8:23pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,455
Original post from hamsamwich

Played deeper yesterday for Leipzig. Controlled the deep middle of the field playing almost like a libero. Nagelsmann actually used the term "quarterback" to describe Adams' play and position. It's all coming together. Nagelsmann (also Gaultier, Pirlo and Favre at the other clubs) doing the hard work for Gregg....
What is the hard work they're doing?

hamsamwich
Post #247
Wednesday September 16, 2020 9:02pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,388
Is that sarcastic or a real question?

Lilshmike
Post #248
Wednesday September 16, 2020 9:02pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,455
Original post from hamsamwich

Is that sarcastic or a real question?
That is absolutely a serious question.

hamsamwich
Post #249
Thursday September 17, 2020 3:07am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,388
These guys are 1) sticking their neck out for our guys and 2) more importantly, Pirlo aside, developing young players while winning games and qualifying for champions league. I think it's easy for us to shout about how they should do this and do that but these guys are proving it at a high level. Multiple clubs for at least two of the four at that level. But I'll include Pirlo for getting our guy McKennie to play at a top club. Easier would have been a more proven option.

Lilshmike
Post #250
Thursday September 17, 2020 2:01pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,455
Original post from hamsamwich

These guys are 1) sticking their neck out for our guys and 2) more importantly, Pirlo aside, developing young players while winning games and qualifying for champions league. I think it's easy for us to shout about how they should do this and do that but these guys are proving it at a high level. Multiple clubs for at least two of the four at that level. But I'll include Pirlo for getting our guy McKennie to play at a top club. Easier would have been a more proven option.
Yeah, I'm still confused as to how thats "doing the hard work for Gregg"...

Reason being is because what you're basically saying is that these club managers are... doing their job. Its not the job of the national team manager to develop talent. Players develop at their club.

Not only that... but I still don't get how "sticking their neck out for these guys" is doing the hard work for Gregg either when these guys have been called in to the national team and play when both healthy and available (McKennie, Adams, Weah, Sargent, and GGG said Reyna was going to get a call up next available window... and this was pre-pandemic)...

*Kid gets signed to club
*Kid develops and improves at club
*Club manager recognizes kids talent/improvement and pulls them to first team
*Club manager plays kid in first team and gives them opportunities to continue development
*National team manager calls in kid when they've shown they are ready for the senior game, can contribute, and have earned a shot

Like... this is legitimately how it goes (at a very basic level). There is no hard work these managers are doing for GGG that GGG isn't doing himself...

Look, I'm not trying to defend Berhalter (although I know thats exactly what I'm doing), but you have to give the guy a fair shake because what you complained about in your post makes absolutely no sense.

hamsamwich
Post #251
Thursday September 17, 2020 3:57pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,388
Pushing Reyna to the first team Favre was criticized for. Weah played immediately upon his arrival. These guys were super green. Yes that's their job. But does Glasner play Llanez? Did de la Torre ever get a minute? Remember when Green went to Hamburg I think it was? Don't take it for granted.

I've said since he was hired I admired the way his crew teams played but....

I remember when gregg was in charge (yes he played Trapp) but every other opportunity was given to guys like Artur, higuain, mensah, afful, (I forget there's many more)- instead of going for young Americans he easily could've bought or scouted. So don't say that's what he does it not exactly.

I also remember his hand picked us squad not being on the same page after a year (Roldan was the best of those guys for what it's worth). Long etc they don't get it. So what's the disconnect?

He chooses Trapp and Yueill and Bradley despite all other evidence obviously pointing to Adams all along. So yes these guys are doing the thinking for him. His game model is changing because the way these guys play at their clubs is beyond what he would do. So yes they do the hard work for him.

Lilshmike
Post #252
Thursday September 17, 2020 4:10pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,455
Original post from hamsamwich

Pushing Reyna to the first team Favre was criticized for. Weah played immediately upon his arrival. These guys were super green. Yes that's their job. But does Glasner play Llanez? Did de la Torre ever get a minute? Remember when Green went to Hamburg I think it was? Don't take it for granted.

I've said since he was hired I admired the way his crew teams played but....

I remember when gregg was in charge (yes he played Trapp) but every other opportunity was given to guys like Artur, higuain, mensah, afful, (I forget there's many more)- instead of going for young Americans he easily could've bought or scouted. So don't say that's what he does it not exactly.

I also remember his hand picked us squad not being on the same page after a year (Roldan was the best of those guys for what it's worth). Long etc they don't get it. So what's the disconnect?

He chooses Trapp and Yueill and Bradley despite all other evidence obviously pointing to Adams all along. So yes these guys are doing the thinking for him. His game model is changing because the way these guys play at their clubs is beyond what he would do. So yes they do the hard work for him.
When Adams has been healthy and available, he has been selected. Fact. And GGG says that he views Adams at CM, not RB. Fact. So your frustration there is just completely misguided.

His game changes based on who is available and healthy for selection.

Again, you're falling into the trap of short sighted vision, not taking the entire situation into proper context, and targeting your frustrations at the manager. How many times has Weah been healthy and available for selection since GGG took over? How about Adams? Reyna pushed himself into the first team at Dortmund, has shown he can hang, and Berhalter recognized it and said he was going to be called in.

And not only that, but sometimes it better to leave younger players, or guys trying to make an impact or crack the first team for their club, with their club during an international window to enable them to better establish themselves there (where they play and make their living) instead of having them fly across the Atlantic Ocean for a week long training session and maybe play 20 minutes in a friendly just to "take a look and see where they are at".

I'm not defending calling in Roldan, I dislike the guy and would rather see other players. But you have to put things in context - which you aren't. There are a lot of factors at play here, and you're targeting your frustrations at GGG for.... what exactly? Not calling in Weah and Adams when they have been injured? Not calling in Reyna, when he cracked into the first team at Dortmund right before a global pandemic in which we have not had any international windows for player selection? I mean, come on...

cudevil
Post #253
Thursday September 17, 2020 4:30pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,075
Original post from Lilshmike

When Adams has been healthy and available, he has been selected. Fact. And GGG says that he views Adams at CM, not RB. Fact. So your frustration there is just completely misguided.

His game changes based on who is available and healthy for selection.

Again, you're falling into the trap of short sighted vision, not taking the entire situation into proper context, and targeting your frustrations at the manager. How many times has Weah been healthy and available for selection since GGG took over? How about Adams? Reyna pushed himself into the first team at Dortmund, has shown he can hang, and Berhalter recognized it and said he was going to be called in.

And not only that, but sometimes it better to leave younger players, or guys trying to make an impact or crack the first team for their club, with their club during an international window to enable them to better establish themselves there (where they play and make their living) instead of having them fly across the Atlantic Ocean for a week long training session and maybe play 20 minutes in a friendly just to "take a look and see where they are at".

I'm not defending calling in Roldan, I dislike the guy and would rather see other players. But you have to put things in context - which you aren't. There are a lot of factors at play here, and you're targeting your frustrations at GGG for.... what exactly? Not calling in Weah and Adams when they have been injured? Not calling in Reyna, when he cracked into the first team at Dortmund right before a global pandemic in which we have not had any international windows for player selection? I mean, come on...


It's also a fact that Berhalter played Adams at that goofy ass hybrid RB position so that Bradley could be on the field, when Bradley wasn't part of the best 11. The fact that Adams played out of position for RB as well (dude is not a RB) doesn't justify Berhalter's decision.

Samtom23
Post #254
Thursday September 17, 2020 4:51pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 426
Original post from cudevil

It's also a fact that Berhalter played Adams at that goofy ass hybrid RB position so that Bradley could be on the field, when Bradley wasn't part of the best 11. The fact that Adams played out of position for RB as well (dude is not a RB) doesn't justify Berhalter's decision.


I think we are all really just waiting for the next roster to be announced to find out what really will be core players

hamsamwich
Post #255
Thursday September 17, 2020 6:25pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,388
I'm not into falling into anything short sighted.... Did Gregg sign young Americans when he was managing in Scandinavia to help him succeed on the field? No. That was a long time ago wasn't it? In fact he's never signed young American players to help him succeed which was my point.

Also I don't have a problem with Roldan- he's a super competent American player, very reflective of the best of the MLS.... but if he's the only guy that plays "well" after a year in the system maybe we have a problem.

I didn't bring up injuries or any of that. Those are just excuses. He changed the roster from what sarachan had to tinker with some weird lineups featuring Lovitz only to now seemingly be returning to what Dave was already doing. Waiting for Olosunde, Moore and Green to return by the way. It's not out of the question to ask now: what could the national team look like if a proper coaching search had been done???

Since according to you @lilshmike (and I agree) that "players develop at their club". So why the Clarence Darrow or if you like Johnnie Cochran routine every time a criticism is lodged at Berhalter???

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