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Post #136
Tuesday March 19, 2019 10:21pm

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Original post from Lilshmike

Its not about getting Bradley on the field. For all you know, McKennie is going to play that position. Claiming that the lineup is being shifted to force Bradley in is ignorant because we legitimately have no idea if hes going to start. No lineup has been announced, so nobody other than Berhalter knows.

Its not about having the best 11 in their best preferred positions. Its about producing the best 11 collectively. Assuming we attack 50% and defend 50% of a game, our RB/CDM hybrid role that person will be 50% at RB and 50% at CDM.

Do you think it is in our best interest to have Yedlin playing CDM 50% of the game? I would say no. I would say that for 50% of the game, he would be a liability and we would have a weakness in CDM - bringing down the collective 11.

Lets say its Lima. Do you think its beneficial to have Lima playing CDM 50% of the game? I would say probably not. Also, would Lima be an upgrade at RB over Yedlin? I would say no. So comparing Lima to Yedlin, Lima may be less of a liability than Yedlin when in CDM 50% of the game, but would (in my opinion) weaken us at RB for 50% of the game - bringing down the collective 11.

So if Adams plays in the lone holding role... great. But still... 50% of the game we are going to have a weakness at CDM - bringing down the collective 11.

OK... now look at Adams at RB. I'd argue that he is not a step up over Yedlin at RB; however, a huge step up at CDM (for this role) - improving the collective 11.

I'll summarize like this:
  • The role is 50% at RB and 50% at CDM
  • Yedlin would not bring down the level of play at RB 50% of the game, but would bring down the level of play from CDM for 50% of the game
  • Lima would be a downgrade from Yedlin at RB for 50% of the game, but but not as great of a liability at CDM for 50% of the game
  • Adams would be at the same level as Yedlin at RB for 50% of the game, and a massive upgrade at CDM for 50% of the game
You can't have your cake and eat it too. You have to pick your poison. Do you want to play Adams as the designated CDM with the current system and knowingly introduce a weakness/liability for 50% of the game in the middle of the field? Or play him at RB where he won't bring down the level of play at that position but will provide a massive boost in the center for 50% of the game when he is there?


Welcome to Yanks-Abroad Mr. Berhalter

Lilshmike
Post #137
Tuesday March 19, 2019 10:29pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,178
Original post from Know Nothing

Welcome to Yanks-Abroad Mr. Berhalter
Haha actually I'm secretly Michael Bradley... trying my hardest to defend USSF and their secret racist agenda while promoting MLS

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #138
Tuesday March 19, 2019 10:50pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,486
I agree, TA at RB is a move to get the best 11 on for these two friendlies and also check it out for the GC...to see how TA looks in the hybrid RB role and presumably how much MB has against higher level comp as the 6. GB is testing this for the GC. It could be that the GC is MB's swan song as the 6.

Adams or McKennie will have that role for the next WC...no doubts on that.

Maybe Lima as back up for the RB role until Adams goes to the 6 or central midfield.

Live490
Texas
Post #139
Tuesday March 19, 2019 10:53pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
Yes I saw them and noooo I prefer Adams over Bradley lol.

YAinSpain
Post #140
Tuesday March 19, 2019 11:31pm

Joined Feb 2019
Total Posts: 5
What I'm curious about is who is being dropped?

Does Yedlin take RM/RW and takes the spot of someone like Baird? I'm not sure who would even play RM/RW anyways.

That would be easier to deal with if that's the way it worked out. But Yedlin being dropped would be tough to swallow unless it works like magic.

I guess assuming we have Adams at RB it would look something like this

Morris (or Zardes W/E)
Pulisic Yedlin

McKennie Bradley Lletget

Ream Brooks Miazga Adams

I guess you could switch Yedlin and Lletget. Not sure who will play LB either.

Dave
Post #141
Wednesday March 20, 2019 3:03am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 996
Original post from Lilshmike

Its not about getting Bradley on the field. For all you know, McKennie is going to play that position. Claiming that the lineup is being shifted to force Bradley in is ignorant because we legitimately have no idea if hes going to start. No lineup has been announced, so nobody other than Berhalter knows.

Its not about having the best 11 in their best preferred positions. Its about producing the best 11 collectively. Assuming we attack 50% and defend 50% of a game, our RB/CDM hybrid role that person will be 50% at RB and 50% at CDM.

Do you think it is in our best interest to have Yedlin playing CDM 50% of the game? I would say no. I would say that for 50% of the game, he would be a liability and we would have a weakness in CDM - bringing down the collective 11.

Lets say its Lima. Do you think its beneficial to have Lima playing CDM 50% of the game? I would say probably not. Also, would Lima be an upgrade at RB over Yedlin? I would say no. So comparing Lima to Yedlin, Lima may be less of a liability than Yedlin when in CDM 50% of the game, but would (in my opinion) weaken us at RB for 50% of the game - bringing down the collective 11.

So if Adams plays in the lone holding role... great. But still... 50% of the game we are going to have a weakness at CDM - bringing down the collective 11.

OK... now look at Adams at RB. I'd argue that he is not a step up over Yedlin at RB; however, a huge step up at CDM (for this role) - improving the collective 11.

I'll summarize like this:
  • The role is 50% at RB and 50% at CDM
  • Yedlin would not bring down the level of play at RB 50% of the game, but would bring down the level of play from CDM for 50% of the game
  • Lima would be a downgrade from Yedlin at RB for 50% of the game, but but not as great of a liability at CDM for 50% of the game
  • Adams would be at the same level as Yedlin at RB for 50% of the game, and a massive upgrade at CDM for 50% of the game
You can't have your cake and eat it too. You have to pick your poison. Do you want to play Adams as the designated CDM with the current system and knowingly introduce a weakness/liability for 50% of the game in the middle of the field? Or play him at RB where he won't bring down the level of play at that position but will provide a massive boost in the center for 50% of the game when he is there?


You're assuming that we'll split time of possession 50/50 against these opponents. I'll go out on a limb right now and say we'll have approximately 35-40% possession in these matches. It'll look like we're playing a 5-2-3 formation with Bradley/Trapp & McKennie playing the 2 and Pulisic, Arriola/Morris/Baird, & Zardes trying to make the most of punted clearances.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #142
Wednesday March 20, 2019 3:07am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,357
Original post from Dave

You're assuming that we'll split time of possession 50/50 against these opponents. I'll go out on a limb right now and say we'll have approximately 35-40% possession in these matches. It'll look like we're playing a 5-2-3 formation with Bradley/Trapp & McKennie playing the 2 and Pulisic, Arriola/Morris/Baird, & Zardes trying to make the most of punted clearances.


Maybe. We'll just have to see. I have a feeling it will be pretty close to 50/50 possession.

Lilshmike
Post #143
Wednesday March 20, 2019 2:16pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,178
Original post from Dave

You're assuming that we'll split time of possession 50/50 against these opponents. I'll go out on a limb right now and say we'll have approximately 35-40% possession in these matches. It'll look like we're playing a 5-2-3 formation with Bradley/Trapp & McKennie playing the 2 and Pulisic, Arriola/Morris/Baird, & Zardes trying to make the most of punted clearances.
Ok, fine. 35-40% attack.

That means that we still have a weakness in the middle of the field for more than 1/3 of the game. Thats still not good.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #144
Thursday March 21, 2019 12:31am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,357
If we only have 35 percent possession that means two of our most technical midfielders Pulisic and Mckennie can't hold on to the ball. If anything Bradley helps with the possession not hinder it. Having Adams at the 6 isn't going to help if Pulisic and Mckennie are coughing up the ball. Just saying.

hamsamwich
Post #145
Saturday March 23, 2019 2:38pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,143
We had like 60% of the ball and it looked ok. I watched the game and it's fun to watch Adams play but it's a shame he's put in this role. I think we should be running a different system with Adams as the #6. I know not everybody on here is an MLS guy, but I watch the league and it's crazy that Adams is behind two other guys (Bradley, Trapp) that he clearly outplayed in the MLS... if it's just that he can't hit a 50 yard pass, well then just have Adams work on it. He can figure it out his passing vision is there I just think Adams has never been asked to pass like that but every time I see him with Leipzig he is passing the ball. Adams needs to go through the growing pains now so when World Cup qualifying comes around he is in total control of the game in the middle of the field. The current system, while making him a key player in a different way, hurts Adams overall impact by forcing him wide too much in my opinion (although he is an excellent wing defender).

bjelks
Post #146
Saturday March 23, 2019 4:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
It also hurts our ability to keep possession and be dangerous in the final 3rd with inferior wingers such as Morris and Arriola on the wings.
Against Chile, we'll see a step up in competition without Adams and Mckennie.
I'm expecting a shit show.
Without Adams and Mckennie to protect Bradley or Trapp, expect Long to be under real pressure.
goalsense
cudevil
Post #147
Saturday March 23, 2019 4:48pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 933
Original post from bjelks

It also hurts our ability to keep possession and be dangerous in the final 3rd with inferior wingers such as Morris and Arriola on the wings.
Against Chile, we'll see a step up in competition without Adams and Mckennie.
I'm expecting a shit show.
Without Adams and Mckennie to protect Bradley or Trapp, expect Long to be under real pressure.


Seeing Long under pressure would be educational. I think hes got some potential, but against Ecuador, at least, we didn't learn anything.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #148
Saturday March 23, 2019 10:41pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 806
Original post from bjelks

It also hurts our ability to keep possession and be dangerous in the final 3rd with inferior wingers such as Morris and Arriola on the wings.
Against Chile, we'll see a step up in competition without Adams and Mckennie.
I'm expecting a shit show.
Without Adams and Mckennie to protect Bradley or Trapp, expect Long to be under real pressure.


I thought Arriola was dangerous all night, he was lacking a bit in the final third with some really heavy touches, just like every other attacking player. Morris is playing on the opposite side where he plays for Seattle, he didn't look confident like he does with Seattle and really didn't try to take anyone on one v one. I don't know if that is by design or him just overthinking the situation.

For Chile I would like to see how things go with CP and Arriola on the wings and Lleget in the middle.

bjelks
Post #149
Sunday March 24, 2019 12:27am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Arriola struggled to beat guys 1v1. Either he doesn't have ideas or his ideas aren't good.
His crosses were off target and he missed an open net sitter.
This wasn't him being off. This is who Arriola is. He's a mediocre winger.

I don't know how many chances does Morris get before we come to the conclusion that he's not a clever dribbler, has never been a great crosser, has a shaky first touch in traffic and an ineffective left foot. And ppl keep telling me he has elite speed, but I still haven't seen him run away from a defender or catch one from behind.

Without Mckennie and Adams to cover the whole field and protect Trapp against a much better attacking, pressing team, I expect us to struggle.
goalsense
Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #150
Sunday March 24, 2019 1:46pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 806
Original post from bjelks

Arriola struggled to beat guys 1v1. Either he doesn't have ideas or his ideas aren't good.
His crosses were off target and he missed an open net sitter.
This wasn't him being off. This is who Arriola is. He's a mediocre winger.

I don't know how many chances does Morris get before we come to the conclusion that he's not a clever dribbler, has never been a great crosser, has a shaky first touch in traffic and an ineffective left foot. And ppl keep telling me he has elite speed, but I still haven't seen him run away from a defender or catch one from behind.

Without Mckennie and Adams to cover the whole field and protect Trapp against a much better attacking, pressing team, I expect us to struggle.


I guess we can agree to disagree on him struggling 1v1. He did miss a sitter without question, but everyone has at one time or another. He had a few poor crosses and he had some good crosses. Overall he put himself in good positions and drew the defense out of shape which is what he was supposed to do. If you looking for a winger who wins every single 1v1 and delivers a perfect cross on every occasion your going to be looking for a long long time.

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