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dolcem
Post #1
Wednesday November 21, 2018 2:06am

Joined Nov 2012
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http://amp.si.com/soccer/2018/11/20/julen-lop...

For those that think that Lopetegui isn't a good manager because of his Real Madrid stint, that squad needs an overhaul. They didn't replace Ronaldo. And a lot of their players are World Cup weary, so they didn't have the energy to do a good job pressing, which was the key to the Spain's success under Lopetegui. Anyway, how long would Berhalter have lasted at Real Madrid?

This is a manager who was undefeated while in charge of the Spanish national team and is still one of the hottest commodities on the market.

According to Wahl, the USSF told Lopetegui's intermediary that they were too far along in the "process." The same process where they spent a year-long search interviewing one candidate.

I'd like for us to all reflect for a moment on the incompetency of the USSF. Or the sheer stupidity. Or perhaps it's just plain and simple nepotism? I can't decide which it is.
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Know Nothing
Post #2
Wednesday November 21, 2018 3:07am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,476
Troubling

GD10
Post #3
Wednesday November 21, 2018 5:02am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 271
Honestly I'm done being a US fan, I can't even watch our games anymore.... it's sad man to see how far we've fallen. USSF is a joke

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #4
Wednesday November 21, 2018 5:43am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,840
I don't know if he would be the best option, but to not even hold an interview to see his vision is a bit ridiculous. So I would have to say the coach has been selected, but for whatever reason they haven't announced said coach yet. I for one think it's Ramos.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #5
Wednesday November 21, 2018 9:17am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,013
He'd be a great option compared to the other options. But he doesnt speak English so his understanding of the American player doesnt matter.

Fucking barf.

dunlopp9987
Post #6
Wednesday November 21, 2018 3:21pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,634
False.

http://www.espn.com/soccer/united-states/stor...
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USAfan67
Los Angeles
Post #7
Wednesday November 21, 2018 3:34pm

Joined Sep 2015
Total Posts: 14
why people assume cause you have a Latino/Hispanic name, they can't speak English.
Tata Martino speak a bit of English except he is not very fluently. And most European people-Spain for example they speak up to 4 languages (Pep Guardiaola, Roberto Martinez, Emery (Arsenal). What makes you think Lopetequi do not? @ Dolcem I'm with you on this one. He was undefeated thru the Europe qualifications and he did good with Porto FC in Portugal. I don't get what the USSF is doing but I'm pretty sure they are going with two name (Tab Ramos or Greg Berhalter)
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cudevil
Post #8
Wednesday November 21, 2018 4:21pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 705
Original post from 2tone

I don't know if he would be the best option, but to not even hold an interview to see his vision is a bit ridiculous. So I would have to say the coach has been selected, but for whatever reason they haven't announced said coach yet. I for one think it's Ramos.


We will announce someone that could have been hired 10 months ago.

Lilshmike
Post #9
Wednesday November 21, 2018 4:24pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 870
@Dolcem

Typically I agree with you, but I think that USSF should have said no thanks.

A LOT of coaches have used our national team as an attempt to promote themselves throughout this past year. Blanc, Allardyce, Moyes, Lopetegui, Herrera, etc. If we bend to each talented/foreign coach and kiss the ground they walk on (after we have spent this long going through the search) then it makes us look like a joke and we won't be taken seriously by legitimate managers later on down the road.

By giving him the time of day, we would be taking a short term approach to a long term problem/requirement. The optics surrounding that could be damaging to us for the next time we search for a manager.

He got fired and is trying to remain relevant in the short term so he can land another gig. I think the USSF did the right thing. You don't go through an entire process just to stop and hit reverse right before the finish line, that is an insult to the what has taken place thus far and to anyone who has been/currently is involved.

And in reality, I'm sure that USSF already have the manager but are just negotiating terms of the contract, waiting until every T is crossed and I is dotted before formally announcing anything.

Not trying to be a USSF defender, but we're armchair analysts. We don't see what goes on, we aren't involved in whats happening or the discussions that have taken place, and there is a whole lot more that is likely going on that we aren't aware of. And for good reason too likely. You may disagree, but I see that as standard operating procedure, not incompetence.

Just trying to be fair here and put things into perspective.

dunlopp9987
Post #10
Wednesday November 21, 2018 5:01pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,634
Just want to make sure everyone saw the report that he didn't actually approach the USSF, so all of this is moot
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cudevil
Post #11
Wednesday November 21, 2018 5:10pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 705
Original post from dunlopp9987

Just want to make sure everyone saw the report that he didn't actually approach the USSF, so all of this is moot


That feels like a face saving maneuver.

Lilshmike
Post #12
Wednesday November 21, 2018 5:40pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 870
Original post from cudevil

That feels like a face saving maneuver.
Exactly

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #13
Wednesday November 21, 2018 8:36pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,840
Original post from Lilshmike

@Dolcem

Typically I agree with you, but I think that USSF should have said no thanks.

A LOT of coaches have used our national team as an attempt to promote themselves throughout this past year. Blanc, Allardyce, Moyes, Lopetegui, Herrera, etc. If we bend to each talented/foreign coach and kiss the ground they walk on (after we have spent this long going through the search) then it makes us look like a joke and we won't be taken seriously by legitimate managers later on down the road.

By giving him the time of day, we would be taking a short term approach to a long term problem/requirement. The optics surrounding that could be damaging to us for the next time we search for a manager.

He got fired and is trying to remain relevant in the short term so he can land another gig. I think the USSF did the right thing. You don't go through an entire process just to stop and hit reverse right before the finish line, that is an insult to the what has taken place thus far and to anyone who has been/currently is involved.

And in reality, I'm sure that USSF already have the manager but are just negotiating terms of the contract, waiting until every T is crossed and I is dotted before formally announcing anything.

Not trying to be a USSF defender, but we're armchair analysts. We don't see what goes on, we aren't involved in whats happening or the discussions that have taken place, and there is a whole lot more that is likely going on that we aren't aware of. And for good reason too likely. You may disagree, but I see that as standard operating procedure, not incompetence.

Just trying to be fair here and put things into perspective.


That's a very fair point of view.

dolcem
Post #14
Wednesday November 21, 2018 9:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,802
Original post from dunlopp9987

Just want to make sure everyone saw the report that he didn't actually approach the USSF, so all of this is moot


In politics, you know something is true when it is officially denied. (I forget who I'm paraphrasing.)

If it were really just a rumor, his agent would not have felt the need to make a statement about it publicly.

Original post from Lilshmike

@Dolcem

Typically I agree with you, but I think that USSF should have said no thanks.

A LOT of coaches have used our national team as an attempt to promote themselves throughout this past year. Blanc, Allardyce, Moyes, Lopetegui, Herrera, etc. If we bend to each talented/foreign coach and kiss the ground they walk on (after we have spent this long going through the search) then it makes us look like a joke and we won't be taken seriously by legitimate managers later on down the road.

By giving him the time of day, we would be taking a short term approach to a long term problem/requirement. The optics surrounding that could be damaging to us for the next time we search for a manager.

He got fired and is trying to remain relevant in the short term so he can land another gig. I think the USSF did the right thing. You don't go through an entire process just to stop and hit reverse right before the finish line, that is an insult to the what has taken place thus far and to anyone who has been/currently is involved.

And in reality, I'm sure that USSF already have the manager but are just negotiating terms of the contract, waiting until every T is crossed and I is dotted before formally announcing anything.

Not trying to be a USSF defender, but we're armchair analysts. We don't see what goes on, we aren't involved in whats happening or the discussions that have taken place, and there is a whole lot more that is likely going on that we aren't aware of. And for good reason too likely. You may disagree, but I see that as standard operating procedure, not incompetence.

Just trying to be fair here and put things into perspective.


It has taken the USSF an ENTIRE YEAR to cross T's and dot I's. Meanwhile, our program is stagnating and we look like a complete joke. I feel so bad for Pulisic.

What does Lopetegui have to do with any of those other less-competent managers you listed? He's a foreigner?

The guy just lost his job a couple weeks ago. And you somehow know that means that he is "trying to remain relevant?" How do we know that he isn't genuinely interested in starting a new project with us if WE DIDN'T EVEN INTERVIEW HIM? It's not like there are any meaningful tournaments for us from now until 2022. If he signs with us, he's definitely not going anywhere, and if we were worried about that, we could put in a release clause into his contract.

I don't see how this is short termism. A much, much more qualified manager has expressed interest in managing us than the only two candidates we have actually considered and we should tell him know because we're afraid of "optics?" I still don't understand how hiring Gregg Berhalter or Tab Ramos instead of Julen Lopetegui is better for the program long-term, especially when we could have hired either of those two A YEAR AGO, or could hire them at any point in the next 20 years.

I'm not yelling at you, I'm yelling at the USSF. I AM SICK OF THIS AMATEUR S***SHOW.
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skangles
DC
Post #15
Wednesday November 21, 2018 10:22pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,392
Dolcem, I tried to DM you but your inbox is full.

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