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blaise213
Post #106
Wednesday November 7, 2018 9:45am

Joined Sep 2012
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Sebastian Soto get bumped up to first team ?i can't read German

db707
Post #107
Wednesday November 7, 2018 10:14am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 700
Soto did train with the first team, yes. He's been lighting it up for the U-19s.

hamsamwich
Post #108
Wednesday November 7, 2018 3:00pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,743
This is a solid roster. Gall is there, no Bradley.

And Morales isn't really even Latino he's a Germerican (there has been bias for and against those guys) of Latin descent. But he's a German for all practical purposes. Many of the fans didn't want guys who weren't fully committed to the program (Fabian, Chandler, etc). Morales has been given chances and he's not lighting it up out there either. I'd have liked to see Morales, I like his aggressiveness on the field and his attitude. But it's not a big deal. I'd prefer our younger guys play in an effort to get them scouted for a league like the bundesliga and to then see if they can affect the game better than Morales does at that level (he doesn't).

Know Nothing
Post #109
Wednesday November 7, 2018 3:51pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,439
Original post from Lilshmike

Atlanta would be able to play in the Prem. LAFC, Seattle, FC Dallas, NYCFC, RBNY would all compete in Championship and likely push for top 10. Portland may be able to push, as could SKC potentially. I'd have said Toronto last season, but they've played poor this year.

A number of MLS teams have surprisingly good starting lineups. The problem is that they lack depth because they lack the financial resources to fill out a full squad of higher end players. The salary cap in MLS (at it's current level) doesnt fully allow for this investment in players. Theres other rules in place as well that impact the teams, but that's for another topic.


Welcome to the forum Don Garber

Lilshmike
Post #110
Wednesday November 7, 2018 3:51pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 820
Original post from hamsamwich

This is a solid roster. Gall is there, no Bradley.

And Morales isn't really even Latino he's a Germerican (there has been bias for and against those guys) of Latin descent. But he's a German for all practical purposes. Many of the fans didn't want guys who weren't fully committed to the program (Fabian, Chandler, etc). Morales has been given chances and he's not lighting it up out there either. I'd have liked to see Morales, I like his aggressiveness on the field and his attitude. But it's not a big deal. I'd prefer our younger guys play in an effort to get them scouted for a league like the bundesliga and to then see if they can affect the game better than Morales does at that level (he doesn't).
Quit bringing facts into this. You're ruining bjelks' narrative of systematic racism in the USSF...

Lilshmike
Post #111
Wednesday November 7, 2018 3:54pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 820
Original post from Know Nothing

Welcome to the forum Don Garber
Is this supposed to be a joke, or are you claiming that what I said about those teams is inaccurate?

Know Nothing
Post #112
Wednesday November 7, 2018 4:50pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,439
Original post from Lilshmike

Is this supposed to be a joke, or are you claiming that what I said about those teams is inaccurate?


Can't both be true?

Know Nothing
Post #113
Wednesday November 7, 2018 5:20pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,439
@lilshmike

You are making an assumption on a hypothetical situation that cannot be proven nor, to be honest, cannot happen simply because the majority of the players in MLS could not acquire a work permit to play in the PL.

If you were to assemble a team of players from the entire universe of MLS that can qualify for a work permit and place them under the tutelage of Tata Martino, then yes, perhaps that team could manage to stave off relegation for a year.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040...

Lilshmike
Post #114
Wednesday November 7, 2018 6:12pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 820
I'm fully aware of the work permit rules in England - likely way more than most on this site. I have family from there, family still over there, and I travel back and forth to there on a consistent basis. Not trying to pump my quals or anything, but I am one of the last people you need to post FA rules for on this site. Talk to bjelks and others for that.

Yes, I understand that this MLS team comparison is a hypothetical situation that could never be proven since they play in different countries and leagues. That being said, the quality of the starting lineups of the teams I mentioned (specifically Atlanta) are in line with my assertion.

Atlanta's starting lineup is realistically is close to being on par with teams like Burnley, Huddersfield, Cardiff, Brighton. The issue is depth. Those teams can afford to pay better players from foreign countries to fill their squad and their bench. Its a very capitalist system. MLS is the opposite. The system is more socialist in nature, institutes caps, sets rules on what players can sign with who, and restricts the amount of investment that can be made in player salaries in order to reduce parity between teams (in an effort to keep the playing field level) and prevent frivolous spending that may end up bankrupting a franchise. As a result, teams can afford only a few genuinely good players, create a fairly decent starting lineup, but lack the type of depth and bench that English and other European clubs have because they lack the capital freedom to conduct business how they please.

The issue of team quality isn't one of work permits. It's one primarily of player salaries. Player permits have nothing to do with the quality of MLS teams as they relate to teams in the Championship, but thanks for bringing it up to educate others.

I'll gladly continue the topic of MLS teams, the challenges they face, the financial and legal hurdles they must overcome, etc as it relates to other leagues and the quality therein if you or anyone else would like to discuss... but not in this thread.

Know Nothing
Post #115
Wednesday November 7, 2018 6:39pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,439
But still, your assertion is absurb simply because injuries and suspensions happen. And you prove yourself wrong when you state that they can, and in effect do, buy better players.

You are blaming the arcane rules of MLS for holding back the league...to which I agree. But even if the rules were the same, could MLS attract top talent playing a March-October schedule that greatly interferes with the summer international schedule?

bjelks
Post #116
Wednesday November 7, 2018 7:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 767
Original post from hamsamwich

This is a solid roster. Gall is there, no Bradley.

And Morales isn't really even Latino he's a Germerican (there has been bias for and against those guys) of Latin descent. But he's a German for all practical purposes. Many of the fans didn't want guys who weren't fully committed to the program (Fabian, Chandler, etc). Morales has been given chances and he's not lighting it up out there either. I'd have liked to see Morales, I like his aggressiveness on the field and his attitude. But it's not a big deal. I'd prefer our younger guys play in an effort to get them scouted for a league like the bundesliga and to then see if they can affect the game better than Morales does at that level (he doesn't).


Morales has a Peruvian father (carry on)
goalsense
bjelks
Post #117
Wednesday November 7, 2018 7:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 767
Original post from hamsamwich

This is a solid roster. Gall is there, no Bradley.

And Morales isn't really even Latino he's a Germerican (there has been bias for and against those guys) of Latin descent. But he's a German for all practical purposes. Many of the fans didn't want guys who weren't fully committed to the program (Fabian, Chandler, etc). Morales has been given chances and he's not lighting it up out there either. I'd have liked to see Morales, I like his aggressiveness on the field and his attitude. But it's not a big deal. I'd prefer our younger guys play in an effort to get them scouted for a league like the bundesliga and to then see if they can affect the game better than Morales does at that level (he doesn't).


Respectfully, for the integrity of the pool's depth it is a big deal. Trapp has been awful every game and has been handed numerous repeated not call ups, no starts, but captains lol.
Our pool rates Will Trapp ahead of Morales. That is a problem and they won't him give him a chance to train in camp. Acosta is ok but there's nothing special. And although Nagbe and Delgado aren't 6s, but we've seen them before and neither are playing at a level to prevent him from a call up.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #118
Wednesday November 7, 2018 7:13pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 767
Original post from db707

You've only seen highlights of Sonora (this has been established) so your expressed opinion of him can't be taken seriously.


I've seen him play full U-20 games and I can tell you he has better technique and is more athletic than Delgado, better dribbler and better passer.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #119
Wednesday November 7, 2018 7:22pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 767
Original post from cudevil

The regionalliga is far closer to semi-pro than the top flights.

And I'd bet lots and lots of money that your numbers are wildly optimistic.


If you're calling mls a top flight, then this can't be true lol.
However, you are entitled to your opinion.
Now if you're asking me which league better prepares teenagers and early 20s to be top flight pros then I would redsounding say look at how many champs league players have a history in regionallia as teens and how many have a history in mls.
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #120
Wednesday November 7, 2018 7:32pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,743
I'm not a Trapp guy but he hasn't "been awful every game". Morales was given his chance by Jurgen Klinsmann himself, who for sure knows German players when he sees one. There's no difference in Brooks or Johnson or Morales etc they are all Germericans. Just because you think he deserves another shot doesn't mean this is some earth shattering call. It's not Benzema kicked off the France team, it's not Naingolan being left out of the World Cup for Belgium. It's none of those things. Im not a fan of USSF but they have people more qualified than any of us following the player pool and in their opinion the guy isn't good enough. He wasn't last I saw him- and I'm a fan of his style. Morales is a fringy veteran and that is what it is. If anything you should want the best young MLS players to get a platform to play and get a move to a place that will help them get better. Fringe dual national type players are never going to make or break the program, just give it a small bump from time to time. I personally don't see Morales as a Thomas Dooley or Jermaine Jones or John Brooks. To use your logic, if he was that good someone would have noticed by now not relegation fodder. For perspective, if Adams get the move many think, our top 3 midfielders would be playing for better teams than have ever offered Morales a contract (Motales is old by European standards). Why is every roster call up a referendum on a fringe player who isn't tearing up trees. I disagree on gall but at least he does stuff every other week to make you think he could improve the usmnt- what has Morales done besides run around and play defense for shitty teams??? We already have guys for that. Say what you want about Trapp (I may agree) but he can pass Morales off the park and USA are trying to play better. Makes sense to me.

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