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Post #16
Monday September 17, 2018 4:43am

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Original post from bjelks

Somebody has to explain to me how a Bundesliga and Premier league are considered top 4 leagues and mls is considered a 3rd tier league by everyone not employed by mls or USSF, yet Trapp and Acosta are rated higher by our federation than Morales and D Will who play in Bundesliga and Premier league.
This simple foolery is a big part of the reason our national team is a joke and disrespected by the world.


Well Belgium is a top 10 ten national team and yet their league is considered second rate...yet players from the Belgian league get called into the team. It is an inexact science...if a player fits the need for a team they will play.

db707
Post #17
Monday September 17, 2018 2:21pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 664
Moore also did finally appear for Reus off the bench on Saturday. I hope we test out somebody else like Cannon in October. Let Moore establish a regular place in the Reus team over the next couple of months.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #18
Wednesday September 19, 2018 5:12am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 183
So young Klinsmsnn gets an invite to keeper camp for German FA, I don't blame him for seeing where he stands. Hopefully he sticks with us and we can get our depth back at the position IF he continues to develop

Dave
Post #19
Thursday September 20, 2018 3:02am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 907
Original post from bjelks

Somebody has to explain to me how a Bundesliga and Premier league are considered top 4 leagues and mls is considered a 3rd tier league by everyone not employed by mls or USSF, yet Trapp and Acosta are rated higher by our federation than Morales and D Will who play in Bundesliga and Premier league.
This simple foolery is a big part of the reason our national team is a joke and disrespected by the world.


For me it depends on what time frame you are looking at. During the 2018 Hex there was no logical reason why D. Williams or Morales should not have been at least called into camps. The 2017 Gold Cup group phase should have been a prime opportunity to have tried them out....But Arena went with the likes of Roldan instead.
If you're talking about post loss to T&T to present....Than there are a couple reasonable explanations as to why Williams & Morales haven't been included....
1) D. Williams was called in & started the Portugal friendly. He was then injured and has only recently (last week or 2) rejoined his club's game-day roster. I don't think he's been in a competitive game since January of 2018.
2) Morales has been back & forth between the 1st & 2nd divisions over the last 3 years. He has not been a consistent starter for his club, nor has he ever stood out in with previous NT games/camps. Even if he hasn't been given many chances, the chances he was given weren't taken.
3) Right Now we are transitioning the player pool for the 2022 world cup. While Morales (28) & Williams (29) may be able to help us win games right now....are they going to be a top 4 CDM in the USMNT pool at the age of 32 & 33? In 3 years when the Hex starts again are they going to better options than McKennie, Adams, Acosta, Parks, Trapp, Canouse, Durkin, etc...? IMHO, it's seriously doubtful.
4) We don't play a competitive match until the summer of 2019 (Gold Cup). There is absolutely no reason to bring Williams or Morales into a camp until Feb/Mar of 2019. At that point if they are still seeing significant minutes in B-1 & EPL than start to integrate them into the squad. If they do well through the Gold Cup, proving that they are better than the younger CDM options (McKennie, Adams, & Acosta) then they can stay in the 23 until they are surpassed by younger options. The key here is that they have to prove to be better. If they are only "As Good As" than we need to use the younger options.

The way I see it Williams, Morales, & Bradley are all in the same position within the USMNT. I don't really see any of the 3 as viable contributors to the USMNT beyond 2019.....but it I had to give the edge to 1 of the 3 it would be Williams.

bjelks
Post #20
Thursday September 20, 2018 3:40am

Joined Nov 2012
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The biggest problem with all of that is that Trapp and Acosta will never be good enough to start in Bundesliga or Premier League, 4 yrs won't make a difference. Trapp isn't athletic or skilled enough and Acosta doesn't have tactical awareness or skill.

Mckennie and Adams are 2 of the top 5 most talented players in the pool and Trapp, Acosta, Durkin, Canouse aren't close.

Danny Williams has been hurt I agree, but I can't agree with there being a logical explanation for MLS guys outside of Adams keeping Morales, a Bundesliga player 3/4 yrs out of the 23.
I don't agree with a logical explanation for MLS guys outside of Adams keeping a regular Bundesliga 2 player out of the pool, but that's my opinion.

I also don't agree their age is a rational reason to keep them out of the team when Lichaj is older than both.

Regarding Bradley, I just hope the next Manager understands how your level of play affects your quality of play at the international level and can objectively evaluate a player.
goalsense
Dave
Post #21
Thursday September 20, 2018 4:12am

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@ bjelks - we'll have to agree to disagree on some of these things. For me, right now, age is a significant matter for who should be called into these camps for the meaningless friendlies. I would rather test out young (U-24) players/prospects than see 28/29 year olds called up. I don't want to see anyone get called up this year who isn't likely to be a real option for 2022. That means none of the following for me....Lichaj, Ream, Guzan, Morales, Williams, Bradley, Jozy, Besler, Omar, etc...

I don't like Trapp or see him as having a future with the "A" Team. I agree he doesn't have athletic ability beyond MLS and low end CONCACAF opposition. But I'd rather that be proved out now when games don't matter than when games count.
Acosta to me is a work in progress. He's not as good tactically as McKennie & Adams but he has the same athleticism. I could easily see him making a 2nd tier or low table 1st tier club in England, Germany, Belgium, or France 2 or 3 yrs from now.

At the end of the day if I were to rank our CDM's for a game that mattered right now I'd rank them as follows:
1) McKennie, 2) Adams, 3) Williams (100% healthy/Fit), 4) Acosta, 5) Bradley, 6) Morales, 7) Trapp, 8) Parks, 9) Canouse/Roldan, 10) Durkin

If I were projecting 2 yrs from now I'd expect the rankings to be as follows:
1) McKennie, 2) Adams, 3) Parks, 4) Acosta, 5) Williams, 6) Canouse, 7) Durkin...with Trapp, Roldan, Bradley & Morales having fallen out of the player pool completely.

hamsamwich
Post #22
Thursday September 20, 2018 12:18pm

Joined Oct 2013
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@bjelks- don't sleep on Durkin. Quality. Remember, MLS owns these guys rights so transfers aren't as straight forward. "MLS guys" is a catch all tag you are using, but not all "MLS guys" are in the same position. McKennie was an MLS guy until he wasn't because if he had signed with FC Dallas he may have been there for four years like Acosta, who stagnated a little bit because Dallas wouldn't just sell him. As for Trapp, he and Steffen had bids rejected. So you can't say nobody wants those guys- it's not true. As for Canouse had this been last year or two years ago- you'd say we had to play him he's on a bundesliga team @bjelks... now that's changed??

bjelks
Post #23
Thursday September 20, 2018 1:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
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@hamasamwich Durkin is a young player that's highly rated, we have to see how he develops. Canouse obviously was demoted from Bundesliga and should be a full professional by now.
I thought Acosta plummeted his stock with his awful performance at Gold Cup.
I never said nobody wanted Trapp and Acosta, I said I don't think they'll ever be good enough to start in Bundesliga or Premier league.

So if there is competitive game, I believe healthy DWil and in form Morales have to be in the 23 because there aren't 2 def mids playing at a higher level day in and out.

If we're talking about age, then that's not an excuse but Lichaj is older than both.
goalsense
db707
Post #24
Thursday September 20, 2018 1:23pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 664
Dave, I have to disagree with you on putting so many eggs in the 2022 basket. We can't win the next World Cup, let's be honest. We can, however, win next year's Gold Cup, which would be our first full Gold Cup win since 2007 if we can get it. Yes, we want to integrate younger players once they break through as full pros and prove ready for the challenge, and as we approach qualifying for the next tournament we're already building a core of those guys (heck, Miazga and CCV were paired in front of Steffen at U-20 level). But we also want to build a team capable of winning next year. There will be some older players who can help in that regard, and even beyond. Jermaine Jones was 28 at this exact time in the cycle in 2010, and he was definitely useful in 2014. It's a balance. As we see all the time with youth cycles, a lot of these young guys will peak early and fade, get injured, or otherwise just not pan out the way we anticipate.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #25
Thursday September 20, 2018 11:59pm

Joined Jul 2012
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With Lyndon Gooch playing as a right wingback now with Sunderland it's an interesting thought to see him back with the USMNT in that type of position.

hamsamwich
Post #26
Tuesday September 25, 2018 3:12pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,691
Reggie Cannon for sure in the USA based games. Also if he can string a few more nice games together I'd like to see my boy Mihailovic called into camp he offers something in attacking midfield that's lacking domestically.

Overseas- Morales, Sargent are guys that haven't been in for awhile and would offer something for the Euro based games that's a change up. Sargent in particular should get a run out as he is just as good right now if not better than his contemporaries that have been playing under Sarachan.

hamsamwich
Post #27
Sunday September 30, 2018 4:35pm

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Total Posts: 2,691
Mihailovic with an assist and super full volley. It's probably too early but again we lack technical players like him from midfield in the attacking third. He's a CAM with a good delivery as well from the set piece- corner or shooting from a free kick. Call him up.

bjelks
Post #28
Monday October 1, 2018 4:17am

Joined Nov 2012
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(Ahem) Joel Sonora is an attacking CAM
goalsense
db707
Post #29
Monday October 1, 2018 9:44am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 664
Original post from bjelks

(Ahem) Joel Sonora is an attacking CAM


An attacking CAM who is not starting regularly for a random team in Argentina. And who you have never seen play beyond highlights.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #30
Monday October 1, 2018 5:25pm

Joined Jul 2012
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I really like Mihailovic. But we should give him some time. But yeah I could see Mihailovic in the camp cupcake team. Very technical player who has put on some muscle.

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