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Lilshmike
Post #121
Monday October 8, 2018 8:08pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 870
Original post from bjelks

... We have a CM who plays in a top league (Morales) who is snubbed because the federation and tool coach won't leave off a good ole boy Trapp, Bradley for some one not affiliated with MLS or US federation development...
But wait... I thought Morales was left off because the USSF is racist???

Lilshmike
Post #122
Monday October 8, 2018 8:14pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 870
Original post from bjelks

... and we have foolish fanboys like you that think if we have 11 Bradleys, Trapps, and Altidores and if they just played with more heart they could compete with world powers...
Hold on a second... if we had 11 Bradleys, Trapps, and Altidores, that would leave us with 33 players on the field! Maybe I'm wrong, but mathematically speaking, the game just wouldn't allow for that.

hamsamwich
Post #123
Monday October 8, 2018 9:13pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,767
Nobody says we can compete with the world powers with those guys. We all just saw them fail to qualify. Then again there was a time Bradley played for Roma, and Jozy with his transfer to Villarreal. So really this new young generation is following in those guys footsteps - knowing these younger guys are more talented. But where was that lost generation in between. Mix is sort of a figurehead for it, but there are many players in that age range who have done nothing and never positively contributed to the national team. Those guys should be in their primes but they aren't anywhere near the full us team. And so now we wait and push mostly unqualified prospects in the hope that they somehow will "compete with the world powers". There is nobody of note not in this camp that would really do that for USA. Even Williams or Morales or whoever. Morales is a favorite of mine over the years because I like the edge he plays with- but- he's never been all that good when he has played. Same with Williams. To say it's wrong to play Acosta or Adams or whoever from MLS over those guys who never before bridged the gap (when we need them to, not now with no pressure) is a bit ridiculous. So enjoy the games watch the players get better but remember that times are changing for the better. The players are better. And we will see when the games count how much hard work and determination for the cause these guys have when it matters.

Lilshmike
Post #124
Monday October 8, 2018 9:17pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 870
Original post from hamsamwich

Nobody says we can compete with the world powers with those guys. We all just saw them fail to qualify. Then again there was a time Bradley played for Roma, and Jozy with his transfer to Villarreal. So really this new young generation is following in those guys footsteps - knowing these younger guys are more talented. But where was that lost generation in between. Mix is sort of a figurehead for it, but there are many players in that age range who have done nothing and never positively contributed to the national team. Those guys should be in their primes but they aren't anywhere near the full us team. And so now we wait and push mostly unqualified prospects in the hope that they somehow will "compete with the world powers". There is nobody of note not in this camp that would really do that for USA. Even Williams or Morales or whoever. Morales is a favorite of mine over the years because I like the edge he plays with- but- he's never been all that good when he has played. Same with Williams. To say it's wrong to play Acosta or Adams or whoever from MLS over those guys who never before bridged the gap (when we need them to, not now with no pressure) is a bit ridiculous. So enjoy the games watch the players get better but remember that times are changing for the better. The players are better. And we will see when the games count how much hard work and determination for the cause these guys have when it matters.
Good points, well said.

cudevil
Post #125
Monday October 8, 2018 9:49pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 705
Gooch is playing in League One because no one in at a higher level (apparently) wants to sign him. The idea that he's there because of loyalty is ridiculous. He's also almost 23. If he's extremely fortunate, he might be playing top flight soccer when he's 24, almost 25. But if history is any guide, Sunderland isn't going to be back in the Prem any time soon. The fact that he's playing is nice, but he's no better than Arriola at the moment.

hamsamwich
Post #126
Monday October 8, 2018 10:39pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,767
It's also stretching it to say we don't have wing players as Weah, Amon (everyone wants to see him, right?), Picault, and Saief all play there. Saief also is comfortable in the 10 role alongside Julian Green who I think we all expected to be second choice behind a healthy Pulisic in that spot. All things considered, it's not the worst attacking midfield options we've ever had...

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #127
Monday October 8, 2018 11:49pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 653
Original post from bjelks

@kamphgruppe. Smh "we qualified with hard work..." sounds ridiculous. Players play the game and 10 times out of 9 if your players aren't good enough they won't win. When your manager who was American intentionally picks players that aren't good enough because of an agenda to promote mls guys and Guys that developed the "American way" it makes the game that much more difficult for guys that are. Have you ever played the game before lol?

We didn't abandon any roots, we had the manager MLS fanboys wanted and relied on washed up guys the federation developed. Look at us now, our interim manager who is a tool of the "American way" is deploying a captain that isn't good enough to play on a bottom table team in any top league. We have a CM who plays in a top league (Morales) who is snubbed because the federation and tool coach won't leave off a good ole boy Trapp, Bradley for some one not affiliated with MLS or US federation development.

We have a dysfunctional pay to play development system that keeps inner city kids and minorities out of the game and we have foolish fanboys like you that think if we have 11 Bradleys, Trapps, and Altidores and if they just played with more heart they could compete with world powers like Brasil, France, Spain who have better athletes, more skill, and understanding of tactics. That is most ridiculous thing I've heard on this board.

And I agree we have young studs like Pulisic, Mckennie, Adams, Brooks, Miazga, Saief who are proven at high club levels and have world class talent, but to think they're cut from the same cloth as Bradley, Trapp, Altidore is insane.


You not believing we abandoned our roots is not surprising, it's part of the problem.
Also you think that Mckennie, Adams, Brooks, Miazga and Saief are world class? I certainly think that they have the potential but none of them are world class yet. Maybe Arena had an agenda, I have no idea, I am pretty certain that Klinsmann had one as well, neither manager got the results needed or properly motivated the team.
I LOl so hard about you saying what I think, you don't know shit about what I think. I never said anything about our team could compete with Spain and Brazil if we had enough heart? WTF are you even talking about, quit putting words in my mouth. I have also never said anything about MLS being anything. If an MLS guy plays better than a Europe guy so be it, and the same goes the other way around.
I want our players to play with heart and passion for the US. I want them to be hungry and work harder than the guys around them, that's the American way, I don't care if it's in Europe or the US. The talent is here, we need to get back to our roots.

Lilshmike
Post #128
Tuesday October 9, 2018 12:04am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 870
Original post from hamsamwich

It's also stretching it to say we don't have wing players as Weah, Amon (everyone wants to see him, right?), Picault, and Saief all play there. Saief also is comfortable in the 10 role alongside Julian Green who I think we all expected to be second choice behind a healthy Pulisic in that spot. All things considered, it's not the worst attacking midfield options we've ever had...
We could stretch even further and include Agudelo, Gyau, Manneh, Nagbe, Yedlin, Finlay and Lennon as potential wing options... all of which I may possibly prefer to Gooch at the moment.

Truth be told, if I were wanting to go with an ultra attacking lineup, I might put Yedlin at RW, or play with 3 CBs and have him at RWB, and shift Pulisic to the middle.

We have options and depth, it's about putting the pieces together, finding the right core of players, developing a style/system/formation that works, then rounding out our bench options. I dont think wing is our problem area. Maybe LW because we dont have a clear cut #1 there, but it seems like we need to figure out an attacking mid who pulls strings more than anything.

bjelks
Post #129
Tuesday October 9, 2018 12:28am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 796
Gooch had interest in championship and the great MLS but said he was loyal to Sunderland and wanted to be a focal point in bringing them back up like I said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sbisoccer.com/20...
goalsense
bjelks
Post #130
Tuesday October 9, 2018 1:00am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 796
Again, if Arriola can't cross the ball unmarked accurately, beat anyone off the dribble, or win duals, it's doesn't matter how many games he's played in MLS. He's still trash.

PSG considers Weah a striker so that's what I'll call him. So we still don't have a natural right wing on the team. I could criticize the roster and ask why we have 5 cdms and not 1 pure right wing and what does Gall have to do get a call up, but I'm not gonna beat a dead horse.

Excited about Amon and Saief.

@Kamphgruppe the fact that you say things like "if an mls guy plays better than a euro guy..." let's me know that you 1) don't understand that you have to get called in as a euro guy to show that and 2) think that mls players arent even close to the caliber of top euro league players and prospects.. This whole thread is about how US Soccer snubs better/ more qualified euro guys to promote MLS. Outside of Adams, Steffen and younger than 21 MLS prospects, those guys can't cut it at intl stage. MLS is a development/ retirement league.
Again, just work harder than the other team is some bs ppl with no talent or understanding of the game say lol.
We have talent now, we can actually play football. So we need the most talented players first then they can play hard lol.
goalsense
Lilshmike
Post #131
Tuesday October 9, 2018 1:01am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 870
Original post from bjelks

Gooch had interest in championship and the great MLS but said he was loyal to Sunderland and wanted to be a focal point in bringing them back up like I said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sbisoccer.com/20...
Just read the article, as well as the Goal.com article cited therein, and nowhere did Gooch state that he was loyal to Sunderland and wanted to stay with them to be a focal point in bringing the team back up to the Premier League. All he said is that he is committed to continuing his career in Europe (presumably after his current contract with Sunderland expires at the end of the season) for as long as possible - whether that be in England or somewhere else... doesn't sound too loyal tbh.

That article doesn't help your argument. It only further demonstrates that you put words in people's mouths and spit out things that just aren't true...

Lilshmike
Post #132
Tuesday October 9, 2018 1:11am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 870
Original post from bjelks

Again, if Arriola can't cross the ball unmarked accurately, beat anyone off the dribble, or win duals, it's doesn't matter how many games he's played in MLS. He's still trash.

PSG considers Weah a striker so that's what I'll call him. So we still don't have a natural right wing on the team. I could criticize the roster and ask why we have 5 cdms and not 1 pure right wing and what does Gall have to do get a call up, but I'm not gonna beat a dead horse.

Excited about Amon and Saief.

@Kamphgruppe the fact that you say things like "if an mls guy plays better than a euro guy..." let's me know that you 1) don't understand that you have to get called in as a euro guy to show that and 2) think that mls players arent even close to the caliber of top euro league players and prospects.. This whole thread is about how US Soccer snubs better/ more qualified euro guys to promote MLS. Outside of Adams, Steffen and younger than 21 MLS prospects, those guys can't cut it at intl stage. MLS is a development/ retirement league.
Again, just work harder than the other team is some bs ppl with no talent or understanding of the game say lol.
We have talent now, we can actually play football. So we need the most talented players first then they can play hard lol.
1) I like how you left out the part about how Arriola can't test a keeper from range. Funny how that happens after I posted clips of the like.

2) The USMNT doesn't have a natural RW? I'm pretty sure that's what Pulisic's natural position is (and the position he plays for Dortmund)...

3) And I'm also pretty sure that this thread is about the upcoming October friendlies - the players called in/not called in, formations, general discussion and the like. If you'd like to talk about how US soccer allegedly snubs more qualified euro based players in favor of MLS guys, I'll gladly join the debate. Start a thread on the topic and quit bloating this one.

bjelks
Post #133
Tuesday October 9, 2018 1:18am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 796
Original post from Lilshmike

Just read the article, as well as the Goal.com article cited therein, and nowhere did Gooch state that he was loyal to Sunderland and wanted to stay with them to be a focal point in bringing the team back up to the Premier League. All he said is that he is committed to continuing his career in Europe (presumably after his current contract with Sunderland expires at the end of the season) for as long as possible - whether that be in England or somewhere else... doesn't sound too loyal tbh.

That article doesn't help your argument. It only further demonstrates that you put words in people's mouths and spit out things that just aren't true...


He said he's committed to Europe. Sunderland is his home and he wants to get them back to where they belong, but continue to troll away.
goalsense
Lilshmike
Post #134
Tuesday October 9, 2018 1:26am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 870
Original post from bjelks

Gooch had interest in championship and the great MLS but said he was loyal to Sunderland and wanted to be a focal point in bringing them back up like I said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sbisoccer.com/20...
Haha I'm not trolling at all, I'm legitimately repeating your exact words. I read the article, and Gooch legitimately was never cited as saying what you claimed he had said.

You used a bad example and misquoted your source. It's alright to admit that you were wrong...

bjelks
Post #135
Tuesday October 9, 2018 1:35am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 796
Original post from Lilshmike

1) I like how you left out the part about how Arriola can't test a keeper from range. Funny how that happens after I posted clips of the like.

2) The USMNT doesn't have a natural RW? I'm pretty sure that's what Pulisic's natural position is (and the position he plays for Dortmund)...

3) And I'm also pretty sure that this thread is about the upcoming October friendlies - the players called in/not called in, formations, general discussion and the like. If you'd like to talk about how US soccer allegedly snubs more qualified euro based players in favor of MLS guys, I'll gladly join the debate. Start a thread on the topic and quit bloating this one.


Your MLS clips of Arriola weren't impressive and none of that translated to his play against Brasil. He was timid, he crossed the ball in the stands unmarked, he back passed when isolated, and either backed away or was bullied on duals. He doesn't have the chops for top level play, which is why he'll never play at a higher level than MLS.
If you could get your lips off Don Garber's butt for a few secs and look up, you'd see it too.

Again, with Pulisic out there's not another natural right wing on the roster and there's a reason Fafa bombed out of Bundesliga 2 and is 27 is in MLS where good players go after international retirement.

Lol "players not called in" particularly obvious euro
Snubs due to us fed/ mls politics is more significant than the actual game. I mean our federation doesn't think Bundesliga starters are good enough for his team prospective "rebuild" from a failed quali campaign.

I mean we're going to get to a competitive game and Saraclown will snub someone lighting it up in a better league than mls because he hasn't worked them into the side for Marky Delgado.
Can someone tell me what position he plays or what he's good at?
Is he another back pass legend?
goalsense
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