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hamsamwich
Post #61
Thursday October 4, 2018 3:30pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Altidore, Wood and all those guys you mentioned HAD their chance during those age groups and never really showed out in a similar fashion, not even close, during their respective youth clubs. And as he gets his chance Sargent is scoring against grown men in the regionalliga every week, not kids reserve team. He even scored in the first team friendly a few weeks back when he was given a chance to play.

And of the USA guys, none except Adu had an ability to change the game in a similar way to Sargent, and that poor kid was brought along with all kinds of bad advice. As for Phil Foden, he plays for man city that's why he's not playing. Didn't get loaned out like many or sold like Sancho. You can come up with plenty of foreign examples that don't apply- I'm talking American players, American prospects, American soccer history. The previous editions of forward don't have what Sargent brings and I'll leave it there. I guess like always the best part is the chance to prove it on the field. The good thing is the transition period is now and not two years from now. Josh Sargent, barring injury (or god forbid non qualification), will be our starting striker at the next World Cup.

As for Novakovich, the midwestern kid should get a start. He didn't play last time and has torn it up ever since. Play him, Dave, it's his turn.

Lilshmike
Post #62
Thursday October 4, 2018 4:06pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,087
Altidore scored 4 goals at the U-20 WC, where the US made it to the QF, and he turned that performance into a move to Villareal.

Sargent scored 4 goals at the U-20 WC, where the US made it to the QF, and he turned that performance into a move to Bremen.

The comparison between those two in particular with respect to youth WC performances are quite literally the exact same...

Regionalliga is the 4th division in Germany. Thats the equivalent of USL, maybe even a bit worse. Would you say that a guy scoring in USL is better than a guy scoring in MLS? No. However, if that USL guy moved to MLS and continued to score, then you have an argument.

Sancho and Drenthe are prime examples. Phil Foden too. Agreed, Bremen is not the quality of City, but he at least makes the bench and gets time here and there. Translating that to Sargent, shouldn't a player of his quality and skill at least be able to make it to the bench at a team like Bremen? He hasn't because he isn't there yet. If he was, he would be. There are at least 4 guys in front of him at Bremen at the moment, and one of them happens to be a USMNT eligible player (Johannsson). I hope Sargent gets there and starts to break in, but the reality is that he isn't right now.

We can agree to disagree about Sargent. But the fact remains about where he is - a reserve/youth team player who has yet to make it into the first team at a professional club. That cannot be disputed.

I agree with Novakovich though. I would like to see him play and get extended minutes on the field.

hamsamwich
Post #63
Thursday October 4, 2018 5:12pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,026
As I said- I like Altidore and have always backed him for the national team. He had had too many injuries on his big frame over the years, the 2014 WC sort of typified his full national team career which is not over, he can return because of his skill set, especially as a late game bully against tired players as a sub. But he's played a lot of minutes and had a lot of injuries and with the season Toronto has had along with Jozys injuries (again), unless it's a must win type game I'm not bringing him because I don't think he can impact the international game over 90 minutes the way he used to be able to. His body is letting him down and it's frustrating when you get older. It would be nice to see Jozy be able to return for the Gold Cup perhaps because if he is full form and fitness he adds value to the team.

Saying all of that, I wouldn't mind seeing a diamond midfield against Colombia (no Pulisic)

Novakovich - Green
McKennie
Acosta-Adams
Bradley
Robinson-Brooks/Miazga-Yedlin
Steffen

Lilshmike
Post #64
Thursday October 4, 2018 5:25pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,087
Jozy's problems now seem to be his hamstrings. It seems like every time he gets injured its because he pulled that muscle or something. I think that he should definitely still be in the team once competitive games roll around and eventually be used as a late game sub as you mentioned.

bjelks
Post #65
Thursday October 4, 2018 5:58pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,130
My problem with Jozy is throughout his career he's shown an inability to create in big games, to
Work hard even when hes not being fed the ball in big games, and to consistently finish clinically against high levels of competition ie his European career.

I don't care how many intl goals he's scored, I don't care how many mls goals he's scored. His sorry ass mentality/ attitude, his piss poor work rate, and limitations technically are a Cancer to our younger more talented core.

He doesn't have the mentality or ability of Sargeant and experience will not tell that story. You just have to actually watch his first touch, off the ball movement, and poise in the box.
He doesn't have the ability to score the high quality individual difficult goals Nova is scoring.
And he doesn't have the work rate of Wood.

I don't need someone that's not good at creating goals, winning duals, or running into space to play late in games, just because they are big and strong, when we have players that are better at all of those things. It just seems that we as Americans have delusional perceptions of our vet players.

My best 11 using this roster w/out CP.

---Sargeant--
Saief --Green---Amon
--Mckennie-Adams
Robinson-Miazga-Brooks-Yedlin
---Steffen--
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Lilshmike
Post #66
Thursday October 4, 2018 6:25pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,087
@bjelks

You consistently fail to recognize his time in Holland when citing his European career. He has scored against the likes of Spain, Turkey, Germany, Colombia, Denmark, Bosnia, Poland, etc. Those are pretty good national teams and top quality opposition, no?

Your subjective analysis means nothing. Highlights can be cherry picked, and that is what you base the vast majority of your analysis on. That has been well documented on this site. I have seen the the exact same highlights of Novakovich... and in reality they look like standard operating procedure. Jozy scored the same type of goals when he was in the Eredivisie.

You don't know any of these guys, you don't watch them play or train in practice on a daily basis, and you don't know anything about their mentality or hunger. For all you know, Sargent was called up simply because he is a white kid... considering you think that the USSF is racist and discriminates against players of ethnic backgrounds (again, another well documented position of yours on this site).

Facts are facts. And the fact of the matter is that we unfortunately don't have many better options than Jozy at the moment. Thats not delusional perceptions of an American fanboy. Thats just the truth.

bjelks
Post #67
Friday October 5, 2018 6:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,130
Lol I know that Jozy has looked serviceable for tap ins ant clear short range headers with great service and useless without. I know that Jozy was considered a good Eredivisie player over 4 yrs ago and since has been a flop in England and La Liga 2. I know that Jozy's game is full of technical limitations and is known to be lazy and a mental midget. I know that Jozy is such a mental midget he decided to leave Europe for an easy payday when things got tough and join a league where he could cherry pick easy goals, where he's still considered a good player by league fanboys.

I also know that us soccer is committed to promoting mls at all costs and it did cost qualification.
I know that Josh Sargent is regarded as much better technically and in tactical awareness by everyone outside of mls fanboydem and is on the cusp of breaking through one of the top teams in Germany and Jozy's career has been on the decline for 4+ yrs.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #68
Friday October 5, 2018 7:15pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,256
Adams is out too. Fafa Picault added to the roster.

blaise213
Post #69
Friday October 5, 2018 10:28pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,842
Original post from 2tone

Adams is out too. Fafa Picault added to the roster.


MLS making sure they call the shots...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #70
Friday October 5, 2018 10:39pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,256
Picault has had a good year, but still don't know why Gall hasn't been considered.

navi8132
New York
Post #71
Friday October 5, 2018 11:20pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,067
Why when 2 people leave a roster there is only 1 added?

bjelks
Post #72
Friday October 5, 2018 11:37pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,130
US soccer is a joke @blaise213
goalsense
navi8132
New York
Post #73
Saturday October 6, 2018 2:02am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,067
But honestly can any one explain why when 2 people leave a roster we add only 1 back? Coach should be ITCHING to see a 2nd player given how limited our creative midfielder and winger ranks are.

bjelks
Post #74
Saturday October 6, 2018 2:34am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,130
How come these journalists and analysts never ask these questions to
Sarachan? Lol
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hamsamwich
Post #75
Saturday October 6, 2018 1:22pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,026
If this was a year and a half ago @bjelks and @blaise you guys would say someone playing for FC st. Pauli in the 2bund had to be called up.... now that he plays for Union- he shouldn't be called in??? Same player. Dual national, chose USA. Give him a run out we need wingers.

Time to rework the team with no Tyler Adams. McKennie next to Bradley vs Colombia seems like an inevitability now. I see Green ahead of those two in a 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 whichever Sarachan prefers.

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