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Post #46
Tuesday October 2, 2018 6:29pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,574
Original post from bjelks

Oh sure, might as well let him stay in Germany and rest


Yep. You saw how gassed CP was at the end of last year after flying back and forth.

bjelks
Post #47
Tuesday October 2, 2018 6:46pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,124
You can call the Morales omission whatever you want. I don't know what else to call it and I'm tired of talking about it.

The US federation blamed and blackballed J Jones for Bradley being trash in Copa as well as early qualification and even today has not held him accountable.

How come the us soccer media is always promoting this propoganda that Bradley needs better players around him instead of saying he needs to be better? If you need to be better every game or need better complements, maybe you're just not good enough. I mean the unmerited bias to Bradley and Trash is laughable.

Bradley led the biggest failure in US history and the federation is still jacking him off.
Why?
goalsense
db707
Post #48
Tuesday October 2, 2018 7:20pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 873
bjelks, find me one actual media person saying, and not sarcastically, that Bradley needs better players around him. I am a Jones fan, but Jones was 35, near the end of his career and had a hard time staying fit after that Copa in 2016. He also foolishly got sent off and missed the semifinal in that tournament. I mean, I agree with you that Morales not getting another look is puzzling, but apart from that you're making these outlandish statements again with no basis in fact.

bjelks
Post #49
Tuesday October 2, 2018 10:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,124
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com...

And Jones was 33 at Copa
goalsense
db707
Post #50
Tuesday October 2, 2018 10:47pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 873
That article was more than 4 years ago and some random person on SB Nation but credit to you for actually finding something. But your math's wrong re: Jones, he can't have been 33 for a 2016 tournament when he was born in November 1981.

hamsamwich
Post #51
Wednesday October 3, 2018 2:33pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,022
This is basically the best 23 players minus a couple. Ream, Morales, Cameron and a few other senior players can have a case at missing out but for the most part these are our guys.

Wood, Novakovich and Sargent I believe are the three best forwards we have (Jozy and Zardes miss out but rightfully so for this roster).

Amon was called up to give us that wing presence. Robinson is the LB of the future and now who cares about Lichaj, Villafaña, Sweat or Vincent. As for Miazga/Brooks, let them grow. Adams should be given the freedom to roam and if Bradley provides that then so be it.

Our players have a massive opportunity against Colombia to show well against a respected international opponent and the scouts will be in attendance. Peru is good too and this level of competition serves USA well going forward. Good job by Cordeiro in one of his first moves with this 6 game series of all quality opponents.

Lilshmike
Post #52
Wednesday October 3, 2018 3:57pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,080
Original post from hamsamwich

This is basically the best 23 players minus a couple. Ream, Morales, Cameron and a few other senior players can have a case at missing out but for the most part these are our guys.

Wood, Novakovich and Sargent I believe are the three best forwards we have (Jozy and Zardes miss out but rightfully so for this roster).

Amon was called up to give us that wing presence. Robinson is the LB of the future and now who cares about Lichaj, Villafaña, Sweat or Vincent. As for Miazga/Brooks, let them grow. Adams should be given the freedom to roam and if Bradley provides that then so be it.

Our players have a massive opportunity against Colombia to show well against a respected international opponent and the scouts will be in attendance. Peru is good too and this level of competition serves USA well going forward. Good job by Cordeiro in one of his first moves with this 6 game series of all quality opponents.
Unfortunately, Altidore is still one of our best strikers. Sargent is not. Again, the kid has yet to play full professional. Up to this point, his only experience is against youth and reserve team players. He has potential, yes, but right now he isn't there until he starts getting games at Bremen.

Lilshmike
Post #53
Wednesday October 3, 2018 5:06pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,080
---Wood/Nova---
Amon------Pulisic
---Saief---Adams---
---McKennie/Bradley---
Robinson-Brooks-Miazga-Yedlin
-----Steffen-----

I'd personally like to see a 4-3-3, with 1 CDM and 2 box to box/attacking mids. Saief isn't very fast, so I'd like to see him a bit more central on the field where he can get the ball more and distribute to Amon. Let Amon and Pulisic play their natural positions. Adams has pace and a bit of creativity in tight spaces, so it would be interesting to see how he would fare with a bit more attacking quality around him.

blaise213
Post #54
Wednesday October 3, 2018 7:27pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,841
Starting XI (MLS wont approve)

--- Novakovich - Weah ----
------- Pulisic ---------
Amon --- McKinnie ---- Saief
Robinson - Brooks - Miazga - Yedlin
------- Steffen ---------

blaise213
Post #55
Wednesday October 3, 2018 7:34pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,841
Or I'd drop down to a loan striker of Novakovich and add Green to pair with Pulisic underneath.

blaise213
Post #56
Wednesday October 3, 2018 9:26pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,841
Pulisic out!

hamsamwich
Post #57
Wednesday October 3, 2018 11:18pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,022
@lilshmike- everyone has their favorites and Sargent is mine. He showed at 17 at the u20 WC he was one of the very best players in the world at that age, and he was playing up an age group. Sargent simply has abilities that Jozy can't match and that's pretty much the story for me. And I'm a noted Altidore fan on this board. He still has something to offer, but he's not as good as Josh Sargent. And Sargent, like he has every step of the way, will prove it. For Bremen, in the bundesliga. A truly special player, we haven't had his type of forward yet and it will show on the field. People love Tim Weah, but Sargent has always outperformed him at the same age by a wide margin.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #58
Thursday October 4, 2018 4:03am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,247
Yep Pulisic is probably out.

Lilshmike
Post #59
Thursday October 4, 2018 2:35pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,080
@hamsamwich

I dont disagree about Weah, I think he is overrated. Having favorites is fine. But the reality is that we really don't know enough about Sargent to make the claim that he is one of our best 3 strikers until he shows he can get minutes at Bremen - or get loaned out to an equivalent professional team and perform there. All we have to rate him is him playing against U-17, U-20, and reserve team competition. I mean... lets be real here, if Altidore, Wood, Dwyer, Johannsson, Agudelo, etc were playing against kids under 20, they would dominate. Thats just the truth - grown men playing in a kids game. Playing well at a young age, against young/undeveloped opponents in a youth tournament means nothing unless it translates to the full professional level. Which, unfortunately, Sargent has not done... yet.

Danny Szatela? Freddy Adu? Jordan Morris? Teal Bunbury? Brek Shea? I could even count guys like Gedion Zelalem and Maki Tall. The list goes on. All were tipped to be the next big thing. All were special talents. Look at them now - nowhere near where people thought they were going to be. Sargent has the tools to have a successful career with the USMNT... but potential is not reality. Not yet. He has yet to break through to the first team at Bremen. Until he does (which I hope will happen), and until he can show that he can consistently outperform senior level competition, then the reality is that he is not one of our top forwards. Hes nothing more than a promising youth player.

Not trying to hate on you or Sargent here, but we gotta be realistic.

Lilshmike
Post #60
Thursday October 4, 2018 2:48pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,080
I'll add too that serious, legit national teams don't call in reserve/youth team players. And they shouldn't until those players break into the first team in competitive leagues. If we want to take the next step, we shouldn't call in guys like that. Example: Phil Foden. Foden was the best player at the U-17 WC. No contest - better than Sargent. Still hasn't gotten a call-up to England because he hasn't really cracked through City.

Jadon Sancho... same deal. But he only just got called in to England because he has been getting minutes and performing with Dortmund... which to any real fan out there of the USMNT, that should be concerning. He and Pulisic play the same position, and if Pulisic misses considerable time with his muscle injury... that could be bad for him (and us).

Royston Drenthe? What happened to that guy? The examples are practically endless.

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