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blaise213
Post #91
Wednesday January 23, 2019 8:58am

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Original post from Dave

If Berhalter really got it he would have sent either Bradley or Trapp packing before Acosta. Acosta provides nearly the same skill set with greater athletic ability. At this point we're going to have to sit back and counter in both these games, because our midfield will be too slow to press high or make recovering runs.


These 2 games are worthless anyways

Lilshmike
Post #92
Wednesday January 23, 2019 3:21pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Dave

If Berhalter really got it he would have sent either Bradley or Trapp packing before Acosta. Acosta provides nearly the same skill set with greater athletic ability. At this point we're going to have to sit back and counter in both these games, because our midfield will be too slow to press high or make recovering runs.
Acosta provides better athletic ability. Thats it. There is nothing he really does thats better than Trapp or Bradley. Free kicks maybe, and long shots, but thats it.

I'm not trying to amp either of those guys. Only pointing out that Acosta is mediocre.

If you get it, then you would want to have players who fit in your system. Like, maybe the guy who has been starting as your holding mid for you in your exact system for years (Trapp), at least until you can find another person who can adapt and play it as good or better.

If you get it, then you would want a mix of young and veteran players. Players who are a bit older, have experience, can lead, and can teach the younger guys (Bradley). This is something that Berhalter has stated that he wants and aims to do. No surprise there.

If you're looking for a holding mid, Acosta is the odd man out with respect to those 3. And if you're looking for attacking or box to box guys, there are others in the camp who are above him as well.

Acosta is a depth piece. Nothing more. The reality is that he should try and convert to LB. It may be his best chance of being a national team regular.

db707
Post #93
Wednesday January 23, 2019 4:56pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from Lilshmike

Acosta is a depth piece. Nothing more. The reality is that he should try and convert to LB. It may be his best chance of being a national team regular.


Didn't he play at left back at times for the U-20s and struggle there? I remember him getting burned badly against Colombia, giving away a penalty and getting sent off (then getting bailed out by Steffen).

Lilshmike
Post #94
Wednesday January 23, 2019 7:51pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from db707

Didn't he play at left back at times for the U-20s and struggle there? I remember him getting burned badly against Colombia, giving away a penalty and getting sent off (then getting bailed out by Steffen).
Possibly, I didn't watch. You may be right.

The point though is that he realistically won't be a starter/consistent name in the 11 for the USMNT. We have better players than him in pretty much every position - specifically CM where he plays. If everyone in our pool is healthy and available, Acosta probably won't get called in. The position where we continuously lack depth is LB. If he converted to LB and was able to be effective there, he might be able to squeeze in as a consistent 23 man selection.

Either that, or if another player shifts to that role and Acosta can take their spot as a CM. Specifically, Adams. I wouldn't be surprised to see him shift to outside back.

Dave
Post #95
Thursday January 24, 2019 2:11am

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from Lilshmike

Acosta is a depth piece. Nothing more. The reality is that he should try and convert to LB. It may be his best chance of being a national team regular.


I 100% agree that Acosta is a depth piece, especially when everyone is available. Where I disagree is "you would want a mix of young and veteran players. Players who are a bit older, have experience, can lead, and can teach the younger guys (Bradley)." While Bradley is a veteran I don't see the benefit of his inclusion during an off date friendly. IMO this is the time to test young players in Berhalter's system, not worry about a Veteran who lead the team to the most embarrassing loss in 20+ years.

"[i]you would want to have players who fit in your system. Like, maybe the guy who has been starting as your holding mid for you in your exact system for years (Trapp), at least until you can find another person who can adapt and play it as good or better.[/i]" While I understand this scenario, I ask the question how do you know that a player (Acosta) can't perform as well (Or better) than a player who's been in your exact system (a known entity) if you don't try him in a game situation. Again an off date friendly is the perfect time to try them.

What I look for in a "Depth Piece" is someone who can be deployed at multiple positions to provide coverage in the event of injuries and/or suspensions (especially during tournament play). K. Acosta fits this bill as he can be an emergency LB or CDM along with his primary Box-to-Box midfield roll. An additional benefit IMO is that he's younger than ether Bradley or Trapp, and therefore has a greater opportunity for improvement by gaining experience.

FYI....K. Acosta's USMNT debut and first couple caps under JK was as a LB during the early rounds of 2018 WC qualifications. He was used as a LB during the U-20 WC and has played LB fairly often at the club level. It's not his best position, but he can play it in an emergency.

hamsamwich
Post #96
Thursday January 24, 2019 2:19am

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I'm not a big Bradley guy, and bagged on him when he blew the game against Mexico to open the hex last time that set the tone for the disaster to follow.... but - if we are talking about playing a bunch of unproven players in an unproven system, then those doing the best now in practice will play. I think Bradley does have a role to offer this camp as far as picking up Berhalters system quickly and being able to execute that on the field. I've long thought a big problem for him with his lack of one v one ability is that others haven't shown to the ball or made enough runs for him to pass to for him to be worth it on the field. But if the other players have a plan and the right guys are chosen around him, Bradley is perfect for a year or so or until Adams or whoever gets their chance to play in that spot and do better. Just beat him out it can't be that tough if Bradley is as shit as everyone says he is.

Lilshmike
Post #97
Thursday January 24, 2019 3:19pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from hamsamwich

I'm not a big Bradley guy, and bagged on him when he blew the game against Mexico to open the hex last time that set the tone for the disaster to follow.... but - if we are talking about playing a bunch of unproven players in an unproven system, then those doing the best now in practice will play. I think Bradley does have a role to offer this camp as far as picking up Berhalters system quickly and being able to execute that on the field. I've long thought a big problem for him with his lack of one v one ability is that others haven't shown to the ball or made enough runs for him to pass to for him to be worth it on the field. But if the other players have a plan and the right guys are chosen around him, Bradley is perfect for a year or so or until Adams or whoever gets their chance to play in that spot and do better. Just beat him out it can't be that tough if Bradley is as shit as everyone says he is.
Exactly

Lilshmike
Post #98
Thursday January 24, 2019 4:05pm

Joined Oct 2012
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@Dave

"While Bradley is a veteran I don't see the benefit of his inclusion during an off date friendly. IMO this is the time to test young players in Berhalter's system, not worry about a Veteran who lead the team to the most embarrassing loss in 20+ years."
Thats a fair point to make. However, this is as you said, an off date. As a result, the only players available are from MLS (and some random Scandinavian leagues). If this was a date where we had a meaningless friendly and the entire pool was available, sure. But its not. Its a camp with a bunch of fringe talent of guys who may never really be permanent fixtures of the USMNT. I'll counter and say I think its wise to get these guys, who may have limited interaction with the national team setup, integrated into the culture and get them in line so when their time comes, they know what to expect. You need a veteran presence to do that... and realistically, there is only one of those players who was available for this camp... Bradley.

"While I understand this scenario, I ask the question how do you know that a player (Acosta) can't perform as well (Or better) than a player who's been in your exact system (a known entity) if you don't try him in a game situation. Again an off date friendly is the perfect time to try them."
I know because he was sent home. Berhalter... the coach... the guy who sees them everyday in training and in scrimmages... sent him home. Its not like you don't perform in practice then just magically turn it on for a game. Not only that, but Acosta himself is somewhat of a known entity. So to your point about trying new players in an off date friendly, wouldn't want to give guys like Mihailovic, Canouse, and Baird opportunities to show what they've got?

Trapp fits Berhalters system and knows it in and out. Bradley provides some (IMO much needed) veteran leadership. Both of these are no brainers. And again, to your point about it being an off date friendly and trying new faces, Mihailovic, Baird, and Canouse are in there. Acosta is the odd man out.

The only people that should be argued to be sent packing over Acosta are Delgado and Roldan. But, I would argue that both of those guys are better attacking than Acosta - and considering we have Trapp, Bradley, and Canouse, we have CDM pretty much covered. So there doesn't seem to be much use for him other than being a utility player (as you mentioned) and we already have players we need to look at in those positions and give opportunities to...

So again... Acosta is still the odd man out.

Lilshmike
Post #99
Thursday January 24, 2019 4:24pm

Joined Oct 2012
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@Dave

And yes, you're right, he has been used at LB. There is a difference though between playing CM all of the time for your club and moving to LB for a USMNT game in an emergency (when you aren't used to the position), versus moving to LB permanently and having that be your only position.

Not saying he will be successful at LB. Only saying that I think he may have his best shot at being a consistent USMNT call up if he could somehow make himself one of the top 2-3 playing in a single position - and at the moment, the only spot where that seems to be realistic is LB.

hamsamwich
Post #100
Thursday January 24, 2019 8:14pm

Joined Oct 2013
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The coach is going make decisions that hurt people's soccer feelings, it will probably happen to me during this cycle. Acosta is relatively low on the list of things to get upset about. Personally I thought a Canouse, Roldan, Mihailovic midfield three would provide a good balance and I'm glad Berhalter potentially sees it that way. But if not going to be upset if Bradley, Lletget and Delgado for example are out there. Let Berhalter weed through the mess, and watch the team that he chooses. If they preform poorly, then criticize his selections. But they haven't played yet so we don't know who or how the team will be.

As an aside, both Roldan and Mihailovic are under rated. Due to their lack of size and athletic ability (in comparison to others their age), and despite their vision and technical ability, these two guys are symbolic of a larger problem. The fact they weren't selected (for the most part) for USYNT participation means many fans hadn't really heard of them. So their breakouts in MLS haven't been hyped. But both of these guys are Soccer Players. Not athletes playing soccer. Maybe they won't be in contention for Qatar, maybe they will, but the fact Berhalter is leaning towards their type of player and away from a guy like Acosta (who US Soccer, at all levels have traditionally valued) signals the beginning of a change, at least to me. Go get em Djordje, Chicago is proud of you.

skangles
DC
Post #101
Sunday January 27, 2019 6:07am

Joined Jan 2013
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US Soccer has sold 6,000 tickets for tomorrow's game in a stadium that holds 63,000. They should move the game to Phoenix Rising Stadium.

bjelks
Post #102
Sunday January 27, 2019 4:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Not even the biggest fanboy wants to spend hard earned money to see Bradley and Trapp back pass, be dispossessed, and be beaten.
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #103
Sunday January 27, 2019 4:47pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
Original post from bjelks

Not even the biggest fanboy wants to spend hard earned money to see Bradley and Trapp back pass, be dispossessed, and be beaten.
i couldn't agree more. The team is in a prove it and give some back to the fans position. The fans, who have been shit on for awhile now by Garber and SUM- with OUR national team, are taking a step back for a bit. Let's see what you have to offer I think is the prevailing sentiment.

Tonite is the first step towards repairing what has gone wrong. Seriously, Phoenix? I'm not a big LA guy but the game should be there or San Diego.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #104
Monday January 28, 2019 1:16am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,135
#USMNT lineup Zack Steffen; Nick Lima, Aaron Long (capt.), Walker Zimmerman, Daniel Lovitz; Michael Bradley, Djordje Mihailovic, Cristian Roldan; Gyasi Zardes, Jeremy Ebobisse, Corey Baird

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #105
Monday January 28, 2019 1:34am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,387
I like the lineup. Love to see how Maiholivic fares. Hearing he had a great camp.

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