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hamsamwich
Post #166
Wednesday January 30, 2019 10:24pm

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So to bring this full circle it would be interesting to see a similar lineup and get a better read on Lima, Bradley and Roldan/Mihailovic. Costa Rica is two steps up from that Panama team we just saw.

Know Nothing
Post #167
Wednesday January 30, 2019 11:56pm

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The only thing that matters is that Adams and his athleticism is on the field.

There wasn't too much I saw from the other night that would elevate anyone higher up the depth chart than they already are with the exception of a few guys like Baird and Mihailovic that may deserve recalls for full camps. But in saying that, there are still others we should look at as well if they get playing time like Scott and Parkes.

And I agree about Zardes. I am not sure how far down the depth chart he would be imo...under Hadji Wright?

Dave
Post #168
Thursday January 31, 2019 2:53am

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Original post from Know Nothing
And I agree about Zardes. I am not sure how far down the depth chart he would be imo...under Hadji Wright?


While I'm not a fan of Zardes, I'd hold off on trying to guess where he ranks in the striker pecking order until after the March Friendlies. Remember Berhalter is familiar with his strengths & weaknesses. The game the other night was his first game minutes in 2+ months (rust) and teamed with players he doesn't have much familiarity with. I expect him so show some improvement in the next match.

Another reason to wait until after March is to see how well our other striker options do with Berhalter's system/style. For instance Jozy isn't really known for applying pressure so how is he going to do chasing/pressuring opponent's defenders? Novak is similar to Jozy. Wood can pressure, but isn't very accomplished at hold-up play. That basically leaves Sargent (likely best suited skill set wise, but weak experience wise) or Wright who's mostly been a reserve player for his club. I guess we could throw Weah in the striker pool, but I actually expect him to be more of a wide player similar to how Embossie was used.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #169
Thursday January 31, 2019 4:10am

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Zardes is ahead of Wright. I would say Zardes is ahead of Nova and possibbly the second striker in the player pool. What I like about Zardes is his relentless running, and constant nuisance to defenders. Wood doesn't do that and Altidote definitely doesn't do that. Sargent May be the # 1 come the Gold Cup, but I would probably put Zardes as the second striker. Also Morris is healthy again. If Morris starts out hot this season I won't be surprised to see him in the equation.

bjelks
Post #170
Thursday January 31, 2019 6:14am

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If Zardes and Morris are 2nd and 3rd in the striker pool, I'll just support another country until we get another manager. Both are God awful terrible. Zardes and Morris' first touch, dribble, finishing, pass in tight spaces, off ball movement and long range shooting are closer to amateur than intl level.
If we're playing 30 yr old mls players over 20 yr old
Bundesliga and Eredivisie players, are we even trying to win games at this pt lol?
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Lilshmike
Post #171
Thursday January 31, 2019 2:36pm

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Original post from 2tone

Zardes is ahead of Wright. I would say Zardes is ahead of Nova and possibbly the second striker in the player pool. What I like about Zardes is his relentless running, and constant nuisance to defenders. Wood doesn't do that and Altidote definitely doesn't do that. Sargent May be the # 1 come the Gold Cup, but I would probably put Zardes as the second striker. Also Morris is healthy again. If Morris starts out hot this season I won't be surprised to see him in the equation.
Berhalter has already stated that Jozy is still around. Sorry, but Zardes is not ahead of Jozy, nor is he ahead of Wood. I agree that he is ahead of Wright and Nova. But there is no way that he is our #2 striker.

I understand Berhalter's preference for the guy, but all things considered, Dwyer is better than him as well IMO. For what you mentioned (relentless running and annoying defenders), Dwyer does the same and is still better in almost every aspect of his game than Zardes. I don't understand why people consistently overlook Dwyer. Not saying he is our best, but surely in the conversation for a spot on the roster based on who is available.

bjelks
Post #172
Thursday January 31, 2019 3:10pm

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If we're talking about athleticism and ability to press, Haji is better than Zardes. If we're talking technical quality, Nova is much better than Zardes.
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hamsamwich
Post #173
Thursday January 31, 2019 4:24pm

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I'd personally like the European friendlies to include mostly players from Europe. I think Novakovich for sure has earned a look, alongside Wood and Sargent that's three strikers right there. And having Weah get some looks in practice up front I just don't see the room for Zardes in March. Let Berhalter make his mind up during the months between then and the Gold Cup. I disagree @bjelks that Zardes is worse at pressing and such than Zardes 2.0 Haji Wright. In fact, Zardes' field intelligence and athleticism make up for his poor technical ability. Zardes has always had a knack for being in the right spaces no matter what position he plays. It's just that at this point we have other younger, better options that are better finishers and more technical. I also am not going to knock Bob Wood's work ethic. He never had a chance to play as a striker for a possession based attacking team, club or country. I love his chances to thrive in the Berhalter system, as pretty much every forward the guy has coached at Columbus including wingers like Ethan Finlay have scored goals.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #174
Thursday January 31, 2019 8:31pm

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Original post from bjelks

If we're talking about athleticism and ability to press, Haji is better than Zardes. If we're talking technical quality, Nova is much better than Zardes.


Uhm. Based on what extensive scouting? In fact Schalke coaches were angry with Haji being a bit lazy early on. He has gotten better. Zardes has always been known for his hard work off of the ball. Nova may be more technical, but is he over Zardes right now? I don't think he is.

bjelks
Post #175
Thursday January 31, 2019 9:38pm

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What good is Zardes' work rate if he's really bad at actually playing soccer?
So I don't understand any logic that places him above someone who is scoring against much better competition in a better league that's younger, being Nova.
The reason has gotten away with being criticized for laziness at Schalke is because of his athleticism and quality, again another club and league that Zardes isn't good amount for and hasn't proven himself in.
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Know Nothing
Post #176
Thursday January 31, 2019 9:56pm

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Original post from bjelks

What good is Zardes' work rate if he's really bad at actually playing soccer?
So I don't understand any logic that places him above someone who is scoring against much better competition in a better league that's younger, being Nova.
The reason has gotten away with being criticized for laziness at Schalke is because of his athleticism and quality, again another club and league that Zardes isn't good amount for and hasn't proven himself in.


I understand what you are saying, but there are cases of players similar to Zardes being effective in national teams. Think of him as being like BASF, he doesn't produce anything you can quantify, but he helps others produce better.

For example...Emile Heskey did a job for both Liverpool and the EMNT and he was not very talented and had a poor strike rate like Zardes. It was just that what he was talented in gave his teammates more room to operate.

Lilshmike
Post #177
Thursday January 31, 2019 10:03pm

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@2tone and Know Nothing - you can't debate stupid. Lets not get started on this again...

But for the record, the 2nd division in Holland is the equivalent to USL. Scoring goals there is no real accomplishment.

bjelks
Post #178
Thursday January 31, 2019 11:21pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

I understand what you are saying, but there are cases of players similar to Zardes being effective in national teams. Think of him as being like BASF, he doesn't produce anything you can quantify, but he helps others produce better.

For example...Emile Heskey did a job for both Liverpool and the EMNT and he was not very talented and had a poor strike rate like Zardes. It was just that what he was talented in gave his teammates more room to operate.


I don't think you can compare the talent of Heskey who scored 40
goals in 150 games for Liverpool in the EPL to Zardes who has not played an EPL minute.

Also, I don't see the logic in leapfrogging Zardes over 2 younger players who play and have scored recently in better leagues, Bundesliga and Eredivisie.

It disrespects the game, discredits the national program and it sends a message to young players that the US program clearly doesn't consider level of play in national team selection.

If @lilshmike knows that Nova plays in Eredivisie and has scored this season against PSV and Feyenoorsd, whats the point in bringing up Eerste Divisie?
Now that's stupid.
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Philip
Post #179
Friday February 1, 2019 12:23pm

Joined Sep 2012
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Original post from bjelks

I don't think you can compare the talent of Heskey who scored 40
goals in 150 games for Liverpool in the EPL to Zardes who has not played an EPL minute.

I would be willing to bet that if Heskey had not been born in England he would not have those stats. I would also bet that if Zardes had been born in England he would have Premier League minutes.

Know Nothing
Post #180
Friday February 1, 2019 2:24pm

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Original post from Philip

I would be willing to bet that if Heskey had not been born in England he would not have those stats. I would also bet that if Zardes had been born in England he would have Premier League minutes.




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