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db707
Post #316
Wednesday September 12, 2018 3:13pm

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Original post from bjelks

Sarachan has been MLS biased on fringe players


Moore, Horvath, CCV, Lichaj (and others like Robinson and Green you could argue) are all fringe non-MLS guys. The first three were called despite not having a regular starting spot at their clubs. At least give it until after the November friendlies to see if more fringe Europe-based guys get called in for the games in Europe.

Lilshmike
Post #317
Wednesday September 12, 2018 3:20pm

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Original post from bjelks

Yes Jozy bagged 31 in Eredivisie 6 yrs ago.

I'm sorry I don't trust USSF, their management, scouting, or coaching who has historically been dysfunctional and underperformed developing players. Example: last qualification cycle!

Sarachan has been MLS biased on fringe players, has picked teams lacking creative players and competent wingers and over loaded with holding mids, he's picked Trapp to Captain 6 out of his first 8 games and he's been for the most part the worst player on the field, played his best creative player out of position (Green) and hasnt given an explanation for any of it. To think about it, instead building tactics round the 2 best players Mckennie and Adams, he built them around Trapp to give him exposure for a transfer. And benched his best striker(Nova) prospect for Zardes who he's coached for his entire career lol.

Nope I don't trust USSF and the Men's Program.

So yes I would call all Sarachan a clown
MLS players like Robinson, Lichaj, Miazga, McKennie, Yedlin, Brooks, CCV, Wood, Green, Horvath, Novakovich?

You don't simply pick a captain because he is the best player on the team. It typically goes to the one who has the most player command on and off the field and who players will listen to. Again, we aren't at camp, so we don't see how the players respond to Trapp. From the outside looking in, I wouldn't pick him, but there is probably something that you and I don't see from being armchair analysts.

No tactics were built around Trapp. That is foolish to say. And to say he was the worst player on the field is also foolish. Moore, Lichaj, Acosta, Zardes were all worse last night than Trapp. Green also wasn't very good.

Green moved to the 10 when he was subbed into the game. He was not "out of position". Considering he is supposedly our most creative player and was playing against a youth/reserve Mexican side, he was relatively subpar. He should have absolutely dominated the game, but he didn't. He isn't as good as you like to think he is.

Again, did you see Novakovich, Wood, and Zardes play alongside one another in camp? No. Its telling that when Zardes was taken off, Wood was the one who came on for him (and vise versa). Novakovich wasn't wanted by Championship side Reading and was sent out on loan to newly-promoted, bottom feeder Fortuna Sittard in the Eredivisie. Eredivisie, yes, but he likely got that loan because he played against them in the season before and they got him on the cheap. Should we continue to keep an eye on him? Yes, and hopefully he improves and earns a spot. But is he really our best striker prospect?

Put things into perspective.

cudevil
Post #318
Wednesday September 12, 2018 3:22pm

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One thing that will need to get worked out is how to best play McKennie and Adams. Both seem more like box-to-box guts to me. I suppose Adams could be closer to a poor man's Kante-a hyper athletic 6. I definitely don't see either as an attacking mid.

Lilshmike
Post #319
Wednesday September 12, 2018 3:28pm

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Original post from cudevil

One thing that will need to get worked out is how to best play McKennie and Adams. Both seem more like box-to-box guts to me. I suppose Adams could be closer to a poor man's Kante-a hyper athletic 6. I definitely don't see either as an attacking mid.
Agreed.

I stated before that McKennie seems to be more of a box-to-box mid instead of CDM.

Adams, in reality, doesn't seem to have found his best position. He has played CDM for RBNY, but I don't think that is his best position and he probably plays it because he is better than their options. Likely a box-to-box, or possibly an outside mid/back (think of Kimmich, Alaba or Lahm). Will be interesting to see how he develops if he does in fact leave and go to Europe in the winter window.

bjelks
Post #320
Wednesday September 12, 2018 4:29pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from db707

Moore, Horvath, CCV, Lichaj (and others like Robinson and Green you could argue) are all fringe non-MLS guys. The first three were called despite not having a regular starting spot at their clubs. At least give it until after the November friendlies to see if more fringe Europe-based guys get called in for the games in Europe.


@db707 you were so polite that you have my word I will not criticize selections on this thread until after November call ups.
I was speaking more to the inclusion of Roldan, Delgado, Trapp, Zardes.
I'm ok with not calling Lichaj period, Horvath, Moore, and CCV until they get more minutes.
Cannon is an MLS player that could've stepped in for Lichaj's minutes.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #321
Wednesday September 12, 2018 5:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Lilshmike

MLS players like Robinson, Lichaj, Miazga, McKennie, Yedlin, Brooks, CCV, Wood, Green, Horvath, Novakovich?

You don't simply pick a captain because he is the best player on the team. It typically goes to the one who has the most player command on and off the field and who players will listen to. Again, we aren't at camp, so we don't see how the players respond to Trapp. From the outside looking in, I wouldn't pick him, but there is probably something that you and I don't see from being armchair analysts.

No tactics were built around Trapp. That is foolish to say. And to say he was the worst player on the field is also foolish. Moore, Lichaj, Acosta, Zardes were all worse last night than Trapp. Green also wasn't very good.

Green moved to the 10 when he was subbed into the game. He was not "out of position". Considering he is supposedly our most creative player and was playing against a youth/reserve Mexican side, he was relatively subpar. He should have absolutely dominated the game, but he didn't. He isn't as good as you like to think he is.

Again, did you see Novakovich, Wood, and Zardes play alongside one another in camp? No. Its telling that when Zardes was taken off, Wood was the one who came on for him (and vise versa). Novakovich wasn't wanted by Championship side Reading and was sent out on loan to newly-promoted, bottom feeder Fortuna Sittard in the Eredivisie. Eredivisie, yes, but he likely got that loan because he played against them in the season before and they got him on the cheap. Should we continue to keep an eye on him? Yes, and hopefully he improves and earns a spot. But is he really our best striker prospect?

Put things into perspective.


As stated I was speaking to Zardes, Roldan, Delgado, Trapp in regards to fringe mls players lacking talent to contribute at this level.
If Fabian is no longer included, Robinson is first choice left back.
I don't know what Lichaj is included when we have 2 rbs already on the roster.
Miazga, Yedlin, Brooks, Wood, Green are first team players. CCV was a regular in championship last yr.
Nova is playing regularly and scoring difficult goals in a better league than MLS. I'm indifferent on Horvath.

We sacrificed playmaking, true wing play and a 2nd forward to keep Trapp on the field in his natural position because Sarchan is a tool and he has the look and MLS pedigree US Men's wants to promote.
Like I suggested, we could've played Mckennie and Adams as true 6s since they're covering the whole field and protecting him anyway, and kept more natural attackers on the field. France just won a World Cup with this tactic, with similar but better players albeit.

Moore was never embarrassed 1v1 and didn't give up dangerous Free kicks because he was late or TOO SLOW and clumsy.
Lichaj was played out of position.
Acosta was played out of position.
We all knew that Zardes had trash technique and awarensss before the roster picked. He was double teamed and starved of service because there were NO Other Attacking players in their natural positions.
Outside of Robinson, Green was our only attacking catalyst.

I'd like to hear Brooks, Miazga, Yedlin, Mckennie, Adams, Sarachan talk about Trapp's value to the team and how he is received. Also, need to know why is he essential to have in the 23 as a 6 when he can't defend anybody in isolation or recover on a counter.

I wasn't in camp, but we need an explanation why fly this kid across the world and not play him and sure smells fishy that he started Zardes who he coached for 8 yrs.

We could debate about Sargeant, Weah, Nova being our best striker prospects, what we do know is that they are all more skilled and playing in better leagues than Jozy.
goalsense
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #322
Wednesday September 12, 2018 5:17pm

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I thought Miazga was awesome last night. Probably my favorite player. Adams was better when Mckennie went off. Green was excellent when he came on. Robinson is the starting LB. You will always get growing pains with young defenders. CCV was good. Steffen is the starter.

Now it's time to integrate more players: Gall, Amon, Cannon, etc....

cudevil
Post #323
Wednesday September 12, 2018 6:19pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from 2tone

I thought Miazga was awesome last night. Probably my favorite player. Adams was better when Mckennie went off. Green was excellent when he came on. Robinson is the starting LB. You will always get growing pains with young defenders. CCV was good. Steffen is the starter.

Now it's time to integrate more players: Gall, Amon, Cannon, etc....


I also thought the attack was noticeably better with Green, although his decision making was slow at times. McKennie has a lot of strengths, but he's not an ACM. Green also appeared to free up Weah, who started making more expansive runs, and also was much more involved in the game after Weston left.

Agree on Steffen. I've never been a Guzan guy-he's been shaky to my eye in his opportunities with the Nats. Steffen looks more composed, is bigger, at least as athletic, and distributes pretty well.

CB might be one of our deepest spots right now. Each pairing played well in both games.

cudevil
Post #324
Wednesday September 12, 2018 6:22pm

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"We could debate about Sargeant, Weah, Nova being our best striker prospects, what we do know is that they are all more skilled and playing in better leagues than Jozy."

Only one of those 3 is getting any run at the moment.

db707
Post #325
Wednesday September 12, 2018 6:32pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from bjelks

@db707 you were so polite that you have my word I will not criticize selections on this thread until after November call ups.
I was speaking more to the inclusion of Roldan, Delgado, Trapp, Zardes.
I'm ok with not calling Lichaj period, Horvath, Moore, and CCV until they get more minutes.
Cannon is an MLS player that could've stepped in for Lichaj's minutes.


Wait, we have common ground and you're advocating for an MLS player? What madness is this?

Lilshmike
Post #326
Wednesday September 12, 2018 6:47pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from 2tone

I thought Miazga was awesome last night. Probably my favorite player. Adams was better when Mckennie went off. Green was excellent when he came on. Robinson is the starting LB. You will always get growing pains with young defenders. CCV was good. Steffen is the starter.

Now it's time to integrate more players: Gall, Amon, Cannon, etc....
Not saying Miazga did bad. Overall he was good. But again, he had some times where he seemed to shut off and quit paying attention. He got away with it last night because Mexico was poor, but against Brazil it resulted in the first goal. He has talent, but we need to be harsher critics of him because he will likely be our starter for the next 1-2 cycles. As a CB, you can't afford to be on point 90% of the time and shut-off/lose your mark for a few seconds because that can result in a goal.

A lot of that comes down to goalkeeping organization and communication. Not sure how Steffen managed the game because you can't hear from the TV, but Miazga needs to improve in that respect if he is going to take it to the next level and be one of our 2 rocks in the back.

Lilshmike
Post #327
Wednesday September 12, 2018 6:55pm

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Original post from cudevil

I also thought the attack was noticeably better with Green, although his decision making was slow at times. McKennie has a lot of strengths, but he's not an ACM. Green also appeared to free up Weah, who started making more expansive runs, and also was much more involved in the game after Weston left.

Agree on Steffen. I've never been a Guzan guy-he's been shaky to my eye in his opportunities with the Nats. Steffen looks more composed, is bigger, at least as athletic, and distributes pretty well.

CB might be one of our deepest spots right now. Each pairing played well in both games.
Agreed that we did noticeably better in the attacking 3rd when Green came on the field. But we also changed formations and tactics. Collectively, our play improved. Individually, Green was average at best. Considering his competition, you would have expected him to do better.

We went from a 4-1-4-1 to a 4-4-2 (and somewhat of a 4-1-3-1-1- at times). Zardes sat high in the middle and Green drifted around behind him and applied pressure to their backs once they had the ball. When we got possession, Green dropped in to receive which allowed our mids and wide players to get forward. Before stepping on, there was a gap between Mid and Zardes. He didn't bringing creativity per se, but Green helped link play to keep possession moving forward (which up to that point we lacked).

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #328
Thursday September 13, 2018 12:22am

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Biggest win so far is witnessing the Mexican media and the fans whine about Matt Miazga. Loved that Miazga did that.

db707
Post #329
Thursday September 13, 2018 12:24am

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from 2tone

Biggest win so far is witnessing the Mexican media and the fans whine about Matt Miazga. Loved that Miazga did that.


A country/fanbase that had Rafa Marquez as their captain for years has permanently lost all ability to talk about other teams' sportsmanship.

cudevil
Post #330
Thursday September 13, 2018 4:26am

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Original post from db707

A country/fanbase that had Rafa Marquez as their captain for years has permanently lost all ability to talk about other teams' sportsmanship.


Zaldivar...the guy that could have easily broken Trapp's ankle...complained that the US played dirty.

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