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Lilshmike
Post #196
Thursday September 6, 2018 7:06pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from bjelks

You said I Said Gall was one of our best players. Very clearly, I said he was in our 23 in my opinion. Now I don't think he's one of our top 5 and I don't think he's a starter, but if you interpret 23 as saying he's one of our best players then that's your problem.
For the sake of his thread, if you would like to consider the top 23 as best players and Roldan, Delgado, Arriola, Trapp are in it, then it doesn't take much to be one of our best players and he sure could be one. Btw I've seen Roldan, Delgado, Trapp play several times and didn't know they were on the field. Arriola has some quality but I think he has a low ceiling.

You don't have to misinterpret to what I say. Just ask me if you don't understand straight up.

And I don't need to watch 30 - 90 minute games of someone to tell you they have the physical ability to get behind someone, the vision and touch to pick a pass in the box, and the skill, creativity and confidence to beat someone, as well as hit an accurate shot from distance off dribble.
Those qualities translate.
Hahaha this is ridiculous. Saying that Gall is one of our top 22 players is very clearly stating that he is one of the best players this nation has. Rosters are only 23 men deep. I understand you are trying to dig yourself out of a hole that you yourself created, but come on now...

Am I going to have to bring out the memes again?
http://locker.yanks-abroad.com/?mode=topics&t...

You sir, continue to troll yourself.

Lilshmike
Post #197
Thursday September 6, 2018 7:08pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,319
Off topic, but for any NBA/basketball fans out there, here is a highlight reel of the man... the myth... the legend... the White Mamba... Brian Scalabrine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnXQsJ8ung8

What vision... what movement... what shooting ability. Wow. Now, I can openly admit that I've never seen the guy play a full NBA game, but from his highlight reel I just know. Hes special. Definitely one of the better ones in the game.

hamsamwich
Post #198
Thursday September 6, 2018 9:19pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Last time we lineup in a 3-5-2 with:

----- Green -- Wood ------
--- McKennie ---- Adams ---
Robinson --- Trapp ----- Moore
--- Parker -- Miazga -- CCV ---
--------- Steffen ---------

This game I expect to see Brooks for Parker, Yedlin for Moore, and Weah for Green.

bjelks
Post #199
Thursday September 6, 2018 11:08pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,416
Original post from Lilshmike

Hahaha this is ridiculous. Saying that Gall is one of our top 22 players is very clearly stating that he is one of the best players this nation has. Rosters are only 23 men deep. I understand you are trying to dig yourself out of a hole that you yourself created, but come on now...

Am I going to have to bring out the memes again?
http://locker.yanks-abroad.com/?mode=topics&t...

You sir, continue to troll yourself.


It's obvious you have a soft wet spot or a hard on depending on your gender for mid 20 yr old MLS studs and are limited when it comes to evaluating talent unless someone has played multiple MLS grueling seasons, but until you can objectively explain why Arriola, Delgado, and Roldan are better than Gall, you're wasting our time and your energy.

Matter of fact, please delight us with your 23.
goalsense
Lilshmike
Post #200
Friday September 7, 2018 12:12am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,319
Original post from bjelks

It's obvious you have a soft wet spot or a hard on depending on your gender for mid 20 yr old MLS studs and are limited when it comes to evaluating talent unless someone has played multiple MLS grueling seasons, but until you can objectively explain why Arriola, Delgado, and Roldan are better than Gall, you're wasting our time and your energy.

Matter of fact, please delight us with your 23.
Whoa there, bjelks, did I strike a nerve?

For the record, I have not once mentioned Delgado or Roldan during this thread.

Moving on, I have consistently provided objective evidence for why I feel Arriola should be called in ahead of Gall. He has been a consistent professional player/starter for multiple years, while Gall has not. He has international experience, while Gall does not. He plays in a tougher league, while Gall plays in a weaker league. He was able to make it in MLS (according to you, a 3rd tier league), while Gall was a flop.

You on the other hand, have provided absolutely no objective evidence. Legitimately everything you have provided is subjective by nature. Just in case you aren't aware, here is the definition of subjective - "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions". Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

Further, I have also consistently stated that I hope Gall does well and think that he should be called up at some point in the future given that he continues to perform and play well at Malmo. This in addition to stating that he should receive no special treatment for playing in Europe over MLS counterparts who play the same position and have been performing in MLS. Thats not me being an MLS fanboy, thats just being reasonable by objectively evaluating our player pool.

Highlights can make anyone look like a stud... just check out Brian Scalabrine! His highlight reel is AMAZING! But seriously, if you are going to evaluate someone off a few 45 second clips, then you are limited when it comes to evaluating talent.

Are you still diggin a hole over there, bjelks? Do you need a bigger shovel? Here, I'll throw you one and suggest moving the conversation about Gall to the Romain Gall thread that hamsamwich generously dug up for us this afternoon.

http://locker.yanks-abroad.com/?mode=topics&t...

hamsamwich
Post #201
Friday September 7, 2018 12:50am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
I'd rather see Acosta start than Trapp.

A 3-5-2 with Acosta ahead of McKennie and Adams. But we will see. It's just a little more attacking than without Acosta on the field.

bjelks
Post #202
Friday September 7, 2018 3:03pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,416
Original post from Lilshmike

Whoa there, bjelks, did I strike a nerve?

For the record, I have not once mentioned Delgado or Roldan during this thread.

Moving on, I have consistently provided objective evidence for why I feel Arriola should be called in ahead of Gall. He has been a consistent professional player/starter for multiple years, while Gall has not. He has international experience, while Gall does not. He plays in a tougher league, while Gall plays in a weaker league. He was able to make it in MLS (according to you, a 3rd tier league), while Gall was a flop.

You on the other hand, have provided absolutely no objective evidence. Legitimately everything you have provided is subjective by nature. Just in case you aren't aware, here is the definition of subjective - "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions". Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

Further, I have also consistently stated that I hope Gall does well and think that he should be called up at some point in the future given that he continues to perform and play well at Malmo. This in addition to stating that he should receive no special treatment for playing in Europe over MLS counterparts who play the same position and have been performing in MLS. Thats not me being an MLS fanboy, thats just being reasonable by objectively evaluating our player pool.

Highlights can make anyone look like a stud... just check out Brian Scalabrine! His highlight reel is AMAZING! But seriously, if you are going to evaluate someone off a few 45 second clips, then you are limited when it comes to evaluating talent.

Are you still diggin a hole over there, bjelks? Do you need a bigger shovel? Here, I'll throw you one and suggest moving the conversation about Gall to the Romain Gall thread that hamsamwich generously dug up for us this afternoon.

http://locker.yanks-abroad.com/?mode=topics&t...


Regarding Delgado and Roldan, you said there's no way Gall is in the best 23 at this point. I mentioned them because I can't fathom why they're good enough to be in the 23, but he isn't. I don't understand the criteria for rating more worthy of a call up than a player like him. I understand they play different positions, but they don't bring more value to the team especially playing the deepest position on the roster.

Playing more games for Club or country doesn't reflect being more talented or impactful than someone else. That's your opinion and I strongly disagree. Pulisic was the best and most talented player on the national team before he had a yr club and natl caps. Mbappe was France's best forward at 19. Good managers can evaluate quality in a small sample size. Player A could have found more favor with the respective Club or country at the time because his style may have fit more with his tactics or had more familiarity etc, but that doesn't speak for player ability. You believe Sweden is a lower league than MLS, some other people in this chat believe they are on par and Malmö could easily win it.

I presented a very objective argument for Gall having more talent and ability than Arriola when I said he has shown ability to beat defenders 1v1 from wing and score from range on tape as well as beat people 1v1 and pick out passes on tape, and Arriola in his 7 yrs as a professional hasn't shown that. I asked you to show me an example of Arriola beating someone off dribble and scoring from range and you shared a 1 time tap in and a 1 time side foot from range, which aren't the same.

The Brian Scalabrine highlights were a joke and a disgrace. Nothing from those highlights made him look explosive or dynamic. You've never recruited for a powerhouse national team or club, so I'm sorry won't take your advice on evaluating talent. And if 1 player shows he can beat players 1v1 and score from range or pick a pass in the box in the same sequence even in a small sample size and the player you're comparing him to hasn't in 7 yrs, I'm going to think that the player that hasn't shown it on film can't. I think a winger that can beat ppl 1v1 is more valuable than a winger that can't.

We're not going to agree and I'm tired of the back and forth. We have very different perspectives on the game and for the sake of peace, you're entitled to yours and I'm entitled to mine.
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #203
Friday September 7, 2018 3:18pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Our "best" 23 is different from the "current" 23 or "mine" or "yours". Always has been, always will be. And here we are at the USMNT crossroads where there is literally about a "53" man player pool. All will get chances that deserve them. This is game 1 of the six game series I'm sure we all will see who we want.

The point is clear that besides Pulisic, McKennie, Adams, Steffen, Miazga and Yedlin we just haven't seen enough from the other guys to make them part of the new core. Everyone is fringy- not just Delgado or Gall or Caleb Stanko or whoever. The new guys need to earn it and those who have played well that I just named need to continue and they will hold their spot.

Lilshmike
Post #204
Friday September 7, 2018 5:06pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,319
@bjelks

Hahaha this is ridiculous. If Arriola was incapable of beating players on the wing, crossing, passing, etc., then he wouldn't have been playing professional for years. If Gall possessed these better abilities than Arriola, then Arriola wouldn't have been consistently playing at a level higher than Gall for years. Plain and simple. Hopefully they both get better, improve, and can be strong contributers to the USMNT. Only time will tell.

Here is clip of him beating a defender 1v1 on the wing, then picking out a pass in the box for an assist.
https://twitter.com/briansciaretta/status/103...
Here is a clip of him picking out a pass for an assist.
https://streamable.com/4waw9
Here is a clip of him beating a defender 1v1 on the wing, then scoring.
https://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2016/7/20/1...
Here is another clip of him scoring from distance for good measure.
https://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/paul-a...

Pretty good finish on that last one, don't you agree? You asked, I delivered. Congrats, you just got torched again.

TBH though, this needs to stop. I'm sure many on the boards are getting annoyed with this nonsense. I'm not helping out either, because I keep engaging with you and bloating the thread. This has become too much fun for me though. Its comical the hole you've dug yourself. But for the sake of everyone else, if you would like to discuss Gall further, please move your comments to the Romain Gall thread. I will gladly keep this debate going over there if you'd like.
http://locker.yanks-abroad.com/?mode=topics&t...

db707
Post #205
Friday September 7, 2018 5:26pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from hamsamwich

Our "best" 23 is different from the "current" 23 or "mine" or "yours". Always has been, always will be. And here we are at the USMNT crossroads where there is literally about a "53" man player pool. All will get chances that deserve them. This is game 1 of the six game series I'm sure we all will see who we want.

The point is clear that besides Pulisic, McKennie, Adams, Steffen, Miazga and Yedlin we just haven't seen enough from the other guys to make them part of the new core. Everyone is fringy- not just Delgado or Gall or Caleb Stanko or whoever. The new guys need to earn it and those who have played well that I just named need to continue and they will hold their spot.


This is perfectly stated, thanks, hamsamwich.

Lilshmike
Post #206
Friday September 7, 2018 6:13pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,319
Original post from db707

This is perfectly stated, thanks, hamsamwich.
Agreed

hamsamwich
Post #207
Friday September 7, 2018 6:15pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
We've gone round and round about this but if the choice is similar tonite... i.e. Trapp vs Acosta, Robinson v Lichaj, or even the likes of Weah and Zardes vs Novakovich and Wood -- I personally would like to see, irrespective of formation, our best athletes on the field tonight. Their soccer skills are all about the same level as we've argued about all week, but we need guys who can compete athletically with the Brazilians. So anyway that Sarachan plays it regarding tactics and formation is fine with me as long as we get our top athletes out there because Brazil brings it.

Also everyone should stop bashing Sarachan who hasn't been the one dragging his feet through the hiring process. Nor he has been embarrassed by quotes he has said. And the results have been good all the young players considering. He's called in a young squad and none of the vets I thought that's what everyone wanted. Also he is doing more than bringing in say Shaq Moore for practice, he started him vs France over Yedlin. Earnie Stewart needs to get with the program and make the hire, and a good one at that, but Dave Sarachan is not to blame.

Know Nothing
Post #208
Friday September 7, 2018 6:40pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,742
Original post from Lilshmike

@bjelks

Hahaha this is ridiculous. If Arriola was incapable of beating players on the wing, crossing, passing, etc., then he wouldn't have been playing professional for years. If Gall possessed these better abilities than Arriola, then Arriola wouldn't have been consistently playing at a level higher than Gall for years. Plain and simple. Hopefully they both get better, improve, and can be strong contributers to the USMNT. Only time will tell.

Here is clip of him beating a defender 1v1 on the wing, then picking out a pass in the box for an assist.
https://twitter.com/briansciaretta/status/103...
Here is a clip of him picking out a pass for an assist.
https://streamable.com/4waw9
Here is a clip of him beating a defender 1v1 on the wing, then scoring.
https://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2016/7/20/1...
Here is another clip of him scoring from distance for good measure.
https://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/paul-a...

Pretty good finish on that last one, don't you agree? You asked, I delivered. Congrats, you just got torched again.

TBH though, this needs to stop. I'm sure many on the boards are getting annoyed with this nonsense. I'm not helping out either, because I keep engaging with you and bloating the thread. This has become too much fun for me though. Its comical the hole you've dug yourself. But for the sake of everyone else, if you would like to discuss Gall further, please move your comments to the Romain Gall thread. I will gladly keep this debate going over there if you'd like.
http://locker.yanks-abroad.com/?mode=topics&t...


I most definitely put my hand up as one who has become annoyed with this. I am all for debate but this has well passed into the realm of self-aggrandizement when someone makes proclamations such as "you got torched again".

You have stated your case well...why do you see further need to goad others whose opinion differs?

And in my opinion, the clips you have shown really show nothing. The case where you said he beat a defender 1 v1 he did no such thing. Beating a defender 1 v 1 is dribbling around them and leaving them behind. He merely made a little move to create a yard of space to take a shot.

And omg, the clip where you say he picked a pass anyone of us could have done the same thing.

It was a nice shot though.

And I have no problem with Arriola..he is an honest professional who does what is needed for the team. Do we have more talented players...yes. But his overall makeup makes him a good player for us.

blaise213
Post #209
Friday September 7, 2018 6:59pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,025
Arriola is like Brek Shea, sends a cross in without looking

Lilshmike
Post #210
Friday September 7, 2018 7:24pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,319
@Know Nothing

Hahaha I know, it has gotten to be too much and I am definitely at fault for that. I'm not trying to goad others... only bjelks because this has spanned numerous threads now.

I disagree about the beating a defender point. Doing a move and creating a bit of space to open up a shot and scoring (at least IMO) is beating a defender. And that one pass, yes, any professional should have been able to make that... but you have to admit, it was a decent bit of play to win the ball then turn with his back to goal and deliver the assist.

Thats the point though about highlights. You can't really judge anyone on a few select highlights. That, and having some sense of consistency in your assertions. Example - calling for "old players" to be phased out, then calling for other players of the exact same age to be phased in, then telling people who disagree that they have little american mentalities and are fanboys of MLS and the American system. That is, well... ridiculous.

What matters for our pool is that guys are playing consistently in a competitive league and have earned the right to be called into camp.

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