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hamsamwich
Post #166
Wednesday September 5, 2018 4:46pm

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What were Kante, Pogba and Matuidi? Or Nzonzi? Or even Tolisso? None would be classified as an attacking midfielder.

Very similar in style to Trapp, Adams and McKennie.

We set up very similar to France. Griezmann (Pulisic), Mbappe (Weah), and Giroud (Wood, etc).

It's just that our players are cheap imitations of the real thing. That argument is not with Sarachan it's with our youth coaches developing better players. The results are coming as long as we don't force the kids that @blaise recommended- they should push their way into the team sooner rather than later. We could list plenty of guys like Taitague and Akale and others who are on the edge but it's wiser to let them play it out than overpromote them. Surely we've learned from Adu and others about entitling those who haven't proven anything yet. Club play is super important and being fair to the player pool creates an environment of competition, not select golden children who haven't earned their peers respect. Building a team is not just throwing talented individuals out there- not if it's not their time yet and they haven't earned it. Michael Bradley was always given too many chances because of his golden boy status and he had actually proven things. Donovan the diva used and abused his position.... maybe there is something in the USA fan that accepts hype and wants the player to be better than they are.

Lilshmike
Post #167
Wednesday September 5, 2018 4:55pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,319
@hamsamwich

Good analysis

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #168
Wednesday September 5, 2018 6:03pm

Joined Jul 2012
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No harm in losing to Brazil. But people said that about France as well, and we all saw how that turned out and France adopted the American counterattacking style during the WC.

bjelks
Post #169
Wednesday September 5, 2018 8:16pm

Joined Nov 2012
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When you leave out guys like Morales who have been regulars in the bundesliga for 3/4 yrs and young inexperienced but impactful players in smaller leagues such as Amon, Gall, Sabbi for MLS vets, aren't you sending a message that doesn't promote competition?
To me, the program is sending a message that if you're not starting in a top 4 euro league, you might as well go to MLS if you want to be considered for the national team. I just don't understand how that makes the program or the players better.

And for the life of me, I can't understand how Morales can start in bundesliga but cant make a 35 man US camp.
goalsense
cudevil
Post #170
Wednesday September 5, 2018 8:36pm

Joined Oct 2012
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I think it's hilarious that bjelks and blaise are pimping MLS washout Gall.

Lilshmike
Post #171
Wednesday September 5, 2018 9:17pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,319
Original post from bjelks

When you leave out guys like Morales who have been regulars in the bundesliga for 3/4 yrs and young inexperienced but impactful players in smaller leagues such as Amon, Gall, Sabbi for MLS vets, aren't you sending a message that doesn't promote competition?
To me, the program is sending a message that if you're not starting in a top 4 euro league, you might as well go to MLS if you want to be considered for the national team. I just don't understand how that makes the program or the players better.

And for the life of me, I can't understand how Morales can start in bundesliga but cant make a 35 man US camp.
Stop. Just stop with this consistent, incorrect nonsense.

Morales is not a 3/4 year regular in Bundesliga.

He made a few appearances years ago with Hertha, then they went down to Bundesliga 2. Thats not a regular.

He then transferred from Hertha, a Bundesliga 2 team at the time, to Ingolstadt, another Bundesliga 2 team. From there, they were promoted, and he was a consistent player for 2 seasons in the Bundesliga, before they were demoted back down to Bundesliga 2.

He played last year in Bundesliga 2 before transferring to Fortuna this season in the Bundesliga... a newly promoted team to the Bundesliga.

He is not a 3/4 year Bundesliga regular. He is a 2 year regular at best, years ago, and only now just got back to a bottom tier team in the league.

bjelks
Post #172
Wednesday September 5, 2018 9:27pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,416
Original post from Lilshmike

Stop. Just stop with this consistent, incorrect nonsense.

Morales is not a 3/4 year regular in Bundesliga.

He made a few appearances years ago with Hertha, then they went down to Bundesliga 2. Thats not a regular.

He then transferred from Hertha, a Bundesliga 2 team at the time, to Ingolstadt, another Bundesliga 2 team. From there, they were promoted, and he was a consistent player for 2 seasons in the Bundesliga, before they were demoted back down to Bundesliga 2.

He played last year in Bundesliga 2 before transferring to Fortuna this season in the Bundesliga... a newly promoted team to the Bundesliga.

He is not a 3/4 year Bundesliga regular. He is a 2 year regular at best, years ago, and only now just got back to a bottom tier team in the league.


So a 2 yr regular plus this year, wouldn't that make 3 lol?
goalsense
Lilshmike
Post #173
Wednesday September 5, 2018 9:30pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,319
Original post from bjelks

So a 2 yr regular plus this year, wouldn't that make 3 lol?
No, because the season is 2 weeks long so far. If he plays the entire year, that makes 3. Right now, its 2 and a couple of weeks... not a 3/4 year regular.

bjelks
Post #174
Wednesday September 5, 2018 9:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,416
Original post from cudevil

I think it's hilarious that bjelks and blaise are pimping MLS washout Gall.


Can we all agree that MLS is known for doing a shit job of developing young players?
So how did he wash out at 19?
We can say what we want about Swedish league, but he's playing for the defending champs and playing in Europa league.
goalsense
Lilshmike
Post #175
Wednesday September 5, 2018 9:46pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,319
Original post from bjelks

Can we all agree that MLS is known for doing a shit job of developing young players?
So how did he wash out at 19?
We can say what we want about Swedish league, but he's playing for the defending champs and playing in Europa league.
Ever heard of Magnus Eriksson?

He was one of the top players in Sweden. Top scorer in the league in 2017. He plays for San Jose now... he only has 3 goals thus far this season. One of the Swedish leagues best players is (all things considered) a flop in MLS.

Sweden is not a very strong league.

Lilshmike
Post #176
Wednesday September 5, 2018 9:55pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,319
@bjelks

While you're researching who Magnus Eriksson is (I'm guessing you don't know him because you have freely admitted that you dont watch MLS... or maybe you do know who he is since you seem to be an expert in all things European football related???), I'll give you another example - Mix Diskerud.

He did extremely well in Sweden... after not doing very well in MLS. Not trying to open a can of worms with respect to a specific player, but the play in MLS is better than you (and many others) give it credit... and the play in other leagues (Sweden in particular right now) is not quite as strong as you (and others) may like to think.

I've now given an example of a player who recently left MLS to go to Sweden, as well as a player who left Sweden to come to MLS. Both did well in Sweden, but struggled in MLS. You gonna bring something to the table other than nonsense?

blaise213
Post #177
Wednesday September 5, 2018 10:21pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,025
Original post from Lilshmike

@db707

This gives a picture of blaise213...
  • Sargent - yet to actually play a senior game, has only played youth and reserve team setups thus far
  • Parks - didn't play a single senior game in preseason then sent out to the reserves
  • Tillman - has only played reserves to this point, yet to prove he can actually play a game at the senior level
  • Dest - Ajax youth team
  • De La Fuente - Barca youth team
  • Andre Costa - Real Madrid youth team
@blaise213

If you think we are going to get smoked with our current roster, then how do you think a bunch of kids playing on youth teams (who have yet to play and/or prove anything for a full senior professional side) would do against a team like Brazil?


That roster is fire 🔥
I'd switch out de la Fuente for Jonathan Suarez of Queretaro

bjelks
Post #178
Thursday September 6, 2018 2:32am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,416
Original post from Lilshmike

@bjelks

While you're researching who Magnus Eriksson is (I'm guessing you don't know him because you have freely admitted that you dont watch MLS... or maybe you do know who he is since you seem to be an expert in all things European football related???), I'll give you another example - Mix Diskerud.

He did extremely well in Sweden... after not doing very well in MLS. Not trying to open a can of worms with respect to a specific player, but the play in MLS is better than you (and many others) give it credit... and the play in other leagues (Sweden in particular right now) is not quite as strong as you (and others) may like to think.

I've now given an example of a player who recently left MLS to go to Sweden, as well as a player who left Sweden to come to MLS. Both did well in Sweden, but struggled in MLS. You gonna bring something to the table other than nonsense?


I haven't seen the guy so I have no explanation for why he couldn't get a better offer than mls after leading Sweden in scoring. Maybe he scored a lot of tap ins, maybe the defending was bad, I can't tell you. What I can say that I've seen from Gall that translates is his pace, ability to take players on, get behind, shoot accurately from range, and pick passes in the box.

Charlie Davies did well and was able to parlay his time in Sweden into a French Deal, because of his world class athleticism, strength, pace. Maybe Eriksson was limited physically or in skill set, I can't say, but thanks for the history lesson.
goalsense
cudevil
Post #179
Thursday September 6, 2018 3:33am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,007
Original post from bjelks

Can we all agree that MLS is known for doing a shit job of developing young players?
So how did he wash out at 19?
We can say what we want about Swedish league, but he's playing for the defending champs and playing in Europa league.


He was loaned out to the USL, then went to lower divisions in Sweden, before only now, at age 23, playing for a team somewhat comparable to the MLS. In what way is that not washing out?

db707
Post #180
Thursday September 6, 2018 10:37am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from blaise213

That roster is fire 🔥
I'd switch out de la Fuente for Jonathan Suarez of Queretaro


What's the problem with de la Fuente, did he start shaving?

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