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Lilshmike
Post #151
Tuesday September 4, 2018 3:18pm

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@bjelks

You said scoring a goal from distance. He scored a goal from distance. Are you going to show a highlight of him whiffing on the goal line, or continue to ignore? If not, thats fine. It's OK to admit when you are wrong...

bjelks
Post #152
Tuesday September 4, 2018 3:32pm

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Original post from bjelks

Im sorry I didn't see the video, please share the Arriola highlights of him beating defenders 1v1 and scoring from distance again.


Lol I clearly said beating a defender 1v1 and scoring from distance. Emphasis on beating a defender 1v1. Ive been very adamant on a winger needing to be able to beat defenders 1v1 and scoring , which is more difficult than scoring after someone else tees you up.
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bjelks
Post #153
Tuesday September 4, 2018 3:41pm

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I don't have any film on Arriola whiffing tap ins as those are often not captures on highlight tapes, but I've seen it. Arriola is in the side and Amon, Gall, and Sabbi who are more dynamic on tape aren't. I've made peace with it.
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hamsamwich
Post #154
Tuesday September 4, 2018 3:51pm

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Original post from bjelks

Lol I clearly said beating a defender 1v1 and scoring from distance. Emphasis on beating a defender 1v1. Ive been very adamant on a winger needing to be able to beat defenders 1v1 and scoring , which is more difficult than scoring after someone else tees you up.
so for your side you want selfish poor vision having wingers. Good for the team. You haven't produced a single clip of them picking out a teammate or helping on defense, two more important skills for a winger to have. I'd rather them beat a defender 1v1 and pass to the open teammate, something there are plenty of clips of Arriola doing. How about a run off the ball to get behind the defense? Reading the game? Those new players you rate have no film of that, something again that arriola has in abundance. If you want a progressive team, they need to be able to hold possession and play with others. Again, no tape on the youngsters doing any of that. I'm all for young players being called in but let's hold the phone on too much hype and let them develop. Amon hasn't even made a u20 appearance and Sabbi (another Chicago guy!) is still green in every way.

Lilshmike
Post #155
Tuesday September 4, 2018 3:56pm

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Original post from bjelks

Lol I clearly said beating a defender 1v1 and scoring from distance. Emphasis on beating a defender 1v1. Ive been very adamant on a winger needing to be able to beat defenders 1v1 and scoring , which is more difficult than scoring after someone else tees you up.
Hmmm...
Original post from bjelks

Roldan is nowhere near international quality and will never be more than an mls player.
Acosta proved he didn't have the chops to play outdiside of MLS at Gold Cup.
Arriola sure as hell cant pick a pass, beat someone 1v1 or test a keeper from range.
Brick footed Zardes bahahahahaaha.

But until Gooch, Amon, Gall, Sabbi are starting for Real Madrid or Chelsea they won't be good enough for our trash program. We're still a joke.

And Morales must've banged Sarachan's wife because he starts in a top 4 league in the world and can't get a call up over Roldan or Acosta.
This is on page 8 of the thread. As you were saying...?

bjelks
Post #156
Tuesday September 4, 2018 6:05pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

so for your side you want selfish poor vision having wingers. Good for the team. You haven't produced a single clip of them picking out a teammate or helping on defense, two more important skills for a winger to have. I'd rather them beat a defender 1v1 and pass to the open teammate, something there are plenty of clips of Arriola doing. How about a run off the ball to get behind the defense? Reading the game? Those new players you rate have no film of that, something again that arriola has in abundance. If you want a progressive team, they need to be able to hold possession and play with others. Again, no tape on the youngsters doing any of that. I'm all for young players being called in but let's hold the phone on too much hype and let them develop. Amon hasn't even made a u20 appearance and Sabbi (another Chicago guy!) is still green in every way.


I would expect for helping out on defense, picking out a pass and running off the ball to be basic traits for an international winger. The special ones, the ones that win trophies, the ones that get paid big money, the ones that people remember, they can do all the basic stuff plus beat people off dribble and pick a pass or shot. France won a WC because they not only had guys with high IQs and skill level, but most importantly special guys that could break defenses down and make magic happen, same with Belgium and Brasil who I consider the best 3 teams in tourney. You want a great team, get some guys with great individual ability that play together. Also to hold possession you have to beat someone every now and then.
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hamsamwich
Post #157
Tuesday September 4, 2018 8:51pm

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It's entirely possible we see a 3-5-2 where the wingers will be the wingbacks Robinson and Yedlin.

hamsamwich
Post #158
Tuesday September 4, 2018 9:06pm

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Brooks is returning to Germany after the Brazil game so obviously he will start. Will they partner him with Miazga or will we see a three man backline?

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Ten-Towns
Post #159
Wednesday September 5, 2018 12:56am

Joined Jul 2012
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Starting 11 I would like to see in a 3-5-2

-Weah-Nova-
-Mckennie-Adams-
--Trapp-
Robinson--Yedlin-
-CCV-Brooks-Miazga
--Steffen--

With no real creative wingers I think this suits the US perfectly. Let Adams use his high energy to fly around and Mckennie with his calming demeanor to control the flow and hopefully spring some timely counter attacks with Yedlin and Robinson.

People will hate on Trapp, but he is really playing the 6 ell
With Columbus. Unfortunately Yedlin will probably be defending more than attacking. But Neymar won't track back on defense which allows Yedlin to use his pace against Brazil's left back.

bjelks
Post #160
Wednesday September 5, 2018 4:52am

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Unfortunately, Sabbi, Gall, and Amon are at home so we can play 5 backs and 3 holding mids lol
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blaise213
Post #161
Wednesday September 5, 2018 8:07am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,141
Original post from bjelks

Unfortunately, Sabbi, Gall, and Amon are at home so we can play 5 backs and 3 holding mids lol


Lol right !!! Bout to get smoked on Friday

db707
Post #162
Wednesday September 5, 2018 11:10am

Joined Oct 2013
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blaise I bet you've never seen them play a full match either.

hamsamwich
Post #163
Wednesday September 5, 2018 11:58am

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Original post from bjelks

Unfortunately, Sabbi, Gall, and Amon are at home so we can play 5 backs and 3 holding mids lol
the France game was 1-1. With a similar lineup. Those guys will get their chance if they earn it. All three guys are not the same either. Sabbi is a striker the other two are wingers. Robinson/Yedlin provide more width than Gall especially. Amon is a true wide player and he would be that winger but he is totally green. He will make his appearance soon enough as he is a favorite of Tab Ramos. Amon was injured recently according to bshredder...

Lilshmike
Post #164
Wednesday September 5, 2018 1:37pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from blaise213

23 man roster

Forwards: Weah, Sargent, Johannsson, Siebatcheu

Midfield: Amon, Konrad de la Fuente, Pulisic, Tillman, Andre Costa, McKinnie, Parks, Saief, Sabbi

Defense: Robinson, Brooks, CCV, Miazga, Richards, Sergino Dest, Yedlin

Keeper: Steffen, Gonzalez, Horvath
@db707

This gives a picture of blaise213...
  • Sargent - yet to actually play a senior game, has only played youth and reserve team setups thus far
  • Parks - didn't play a single senior game in preseason then sent out to the reserves
  • Tillman - has only played reserves to this point, yet to prove he can actually play a game at the senior level
  • Dest - Ajax youth team
  • De La Fuente - Barca youth team
  • Andre Costa - Real Madrid youth team
@blaise213

If you think we are going to get smoked with our current roster, then how do you think a bunch of kids playing on youth teams (who have yet to play and/or prove anything for a full senior professional side) would do against a team like Brazil?

Lilshmike
Post #165
Wednesday September 5, 2018 1:50pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Trapp is a holding mid, no doubt. McKennie can play holding mid, but I would argue he is more of a box to box guy. I would also say that Adams is not a holding mid either. I genuinely don't think that Adams' best position has even been figured out yet. Hes extremely athletic and has a number of skills/traits that make him serviceable in multiple positions. I'd say he's either a box to box mid, or an outside back/possibly mid.

Put it into perspective... although he was not the best individual player, Beckerman's purpose was to sit back and defend, enabling the other mids around him to roam around the field and do what they needed to do. He commanded a limited area and provided defensive cover. Playing Trapp in a holding role would allow those guys to roam, move forward, sit back, whatever they needed. Especially with Adams' pace/versatility and McKennie's tendency to occasionally push forward, that is what you'd want.

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