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munns5986
Post #1
Saturday June 16, 2018 9:47pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 272
After watching some of the Croatia and Nigeria game I have a discussion thought to pass on. They keep saying this is Croatia's golden generation. Does the US need a golden generation to really help kick start things or just to continue to develop the way we are?

I will say I don't like the concept of a golden generation because it implies it won't get any better. Does a golden generation provide credibility though? I am still not sure where I fall on this discussion.

hamsamwich
Post #2
Saturday June 16, 2018 10:36pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,742
We had one that culminates in the '02 World Cup which was inferior to what I believe is the coming golden generation which should peak for that 2026 World Cup. We are coming out of a down cycle of talent of the Mix Diskerud age. We will see how this pans out.

Development is the key word because normal we are talking about average players developing but now the standard of player has risen. IF they can get to more Dortmunds and Schalkes and make waves like the current crop, we will develop this generation into that gold, rather than the tin we have seen.

Dave
Post #3
Sunday June 17, 2018 6:29pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 912
A "Golden Generation" is usually a term assigned to a Team comprised of players who have won significant youth tournaments or who's club exploits/situations have elevated significantly above the previous historical average, and maintained that performance for an extended period of Time.

@hamsamwich - I don't think that the US has had a true "Golden Generation" yet. The team in 2002 was a group that took many by surprise. Especially the play of our young stars (Donovan, Beasley, O'Brian, etc...). We had stellar GK's, and a strong defense that made it difficult to break us down. At best I'd call it a "Silver Generation" because they showed huge promise, but failed to carry it forward in a meaningful way.

@munns5986 - Having a "Golden Generation" in the US would be a great boost to the sport here. Raising the popularity of the sport (fan base = revenue) as well as young players (Improving our player pool).

The USA may be entering a "Golden Generation" when you look at where some of our young players are currently signed....(BvB, Schalke, Barca, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, PSG, Tott, Man U & City)....we've never has so many players at such high profile clubs. But they'll need to continue their advancement to their 1st teams and become key contributors there. It is looking like we'll have talent across the field, NOW we just need the right coach to pull the pieces together and get them to play to that level.

It is going to be interesting to watch what plays out over the next 4-8 years considering our biggest rival (Mexico) could also be seeing a "Golden Generation" right now (multiple youth WC wins & Olympic Gold).

Jzaval01
Post #4
Saturday July 7, 2018 7:57pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Russia hasnt done anything in the world cup since 1986... Just gave up the lead but still giving it to Croatia and making a real game out of it... still in the quarterfinals

Its Croatia golden generation but even then they hadnt done anything since 1998 even 4 years ago Mexico gave this Croatian team a shellacking ]

One of these teams will be in the semis.

Sweden was expected to do nothing and made a quarterfinal...

From a USMNT standpoint what is it were doing wrong? I get alot of teams this year didnt meet expectations like Germany Spain, then Italy, Netherlands, Brazil, Argentina...

I hope MLS with the development of the USL teams will take us in the right direction... Its frustrating not even make the world cup and have teams with national leagues like sweden and croatia produce alot more than what MLS has up to this point. I get most of those player outside those league but remember you have to start somewhere and many of them started in smaller leagues than MLS.

Know Nothing
Post #5
Saturday July 7, 2018 9:24pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,434
There is no clear cut answer.

Sweden's success can be attributed to bunkering and having an effective counter-attack (like the successful US teams of the past).

Russia had an easy group and a 2nd round opponent that only plays one way and has no plan B. Plus home field does go a long way.

England is finally playing as a team. They have had more talent in the past, but they could never put it together.

Croatia has always had talent, they just got lucky in the draw.

So I do not think there is a clear cut answer as I think tactics and the ability to change has won out over talent at this world cup (except for maybe France).

Jzaval01
Post #6
Saturday July 7, 2018 9:45pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
All the talent on the field mostly play in top division teams. Thats part of the success. Another is identity. Two things we didnt have this cycle.
But we know top players play in to league and thats the way to improve the national team. The things were missing the link in the youth.

90% of these players started in either Croatian, Sweden or Russian league. Leagues equal or less in terms of difficulty to MLS. There has been something (that I hope has been address) missing in our development of kids.

This is were i hope the recent 2 quarterfinal in the U20 and u17 world cup mean where going the right way with our kids...

bjelks
Post #7
Saturday July 7, 2018 10:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 764
We didn't qualify for this tournament because Bruce had no idea what he was doing.
He should've brought in Mckennie, Adams, Miazga, D Will, J Green at Gold Cup instead of trusting his washed up and less talented vets. It's a joke that your natl team manager is either too lazy to evacualuate young players or unable to.

Sweden isn't better than us. They just had a favorable draw and executed their defend and counter tactic.

Russia also had a favorable draw and overachieved. Don't be surprised if they don't qualify for the next tournament.

I would add that our highest potential players need to get to Europe in their teens like Pullisic and Mckennie to reach top levels or play 1st team in mls as teens then transfer.

I do believe the 3 most talented teams Brasil, France, and Belgium were unfortunately in the same half of the knockout bracket.
goalsense
Know Nothing
Post #8
Tuesday July 24, 2018 4:52pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,434
Was just reading an article on Chelsea's U-14's run to the finals of the ICC cup and something stood out:

"The purpose of our involvement in such tournaments, which form part of an extensive overseas tours programme throughout the Academy age groups, is to test our young players against varied styles of football and nationalities. Knockout football brings with it a particular pressure and developing the skills to handle that is undoubtedly part of development, as well as adapting to the physical and off-pitch demands, including being away from home."

I may be wrong, but our youth policy (if there is one) seems to be in its infancy. Perhaps teams can set up exchange agreements with more successful clubs abroad to advance their learning.


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