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blaise213
Post #121
Saturday August 8, 2020 6:54pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Well Konrad was part of the 23 man squad listed for the Champions League match today...whether or not that translates into a spot on the bench I do not know.


I guess we'll find out in an hour. First time I'm tuning in to watch a Barcelona game.

hamsamwich
Post #122
Saturday August 8, 2020 8:25pm

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At this point we need a Barca stomping to see him play. I don't see Messi coming out except for a blowout, he's not replacing Suarez, and Fati would probably be first among others to replace Griezmann.

hamsamwich
Post #123
Saturday August 8, 2020 8:33pm

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It's 3-0 maybe two more goals and we could see Konrad get a brief cameo somehow. He's a long way away but this looks good to prospective loan teams.

blaise213
Post #124
Sunday August 9, 2020 1:28am

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Bummer !!

stoked-3
Post #125
Tuesday August 11, 2020 4:49am

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 137
Original post from Lilshmike

Zero goals... you can't score from the bench (as samtom put it).

Hold off on the "I told you so" finger pointing.

Matt Olosunde made squads for Man United, where is he now?
Kyle Scott at Chelsea. What is he up to?
Shaq Moore?
Keaton Parks?
Julian Green?
Haji Wright?

Lets cool down until he actually starts getting on the bench consistently, gets on the field or goes on loan. The only sample size we have to look at his skills are in the Spanish 3rd division... which is like playing in USL. Europe or not, his highlights are against crap opposition.

Its great that hes training with the first team... but lets slow the hype train.


I think we can all calm the hype train but when do you start the train? the guy has been promoted to the B team, and is training with the A team-sure it could be bc of injuries or for whatever reason but the bottom line is he is training with Messi-what is there not to be excited about? How many current USA MLS players could hang with the Barca A team?

Green did very well for us not to many players can say they scored in a world cup, fewer do say it the manner in which Green did, I could be wrong but believe he scored against France as well-he has been playing well and would be a good fit playing underneath the striker-

Still hope for Matt O and Moore has been playing well--Parks is back in MLS so I guess that means he is on the fast track to the Nats. Haji never rated the guy but hope he has a good club career.

Its been said many time-most of the "next"stars for us wll not pan out but that is what friendlies are for until we become a viable consistent Nat team-

Samtom23
Post #126
Tuesday August 11, 2020 1:02pm

Joined Jun 2018
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Original post from stoked-3

I think we can all calm the hype train but when do you start the train? the guy has been promoted to the B team, and is training with the A team-sure it could be bc of injuries or for whatever reason but the bottom line is he is training with Messi-what is there not to be excited about? How many current USA MLS players could hang with the Barca A team?

Green did very well for us not to many players can say they scored in a world cup, fewer do say it the manner in which Green did, I could be wrong but believe he scored against France as well-he has been playing well and would be a good fit playing underneath the striker-

Still hope for Matt O and Moore has been playing well-Parks is back in MLS so I guess that means he is on the fast track to the Nats. Haji never rated the guy but hope he has a good club career.

Its been said many time-most of the "next"stars for us wll not pan out but that is what friendlies are for until we become a viable consistent Nat team-


I tried to watch the last Barca B game he was in, all I could find were highlights. None of the highlights showed Konrad making a big impact. I still think wait until he is first team, Barca or not. We have other options that we can afford to wait.

Lilshmike
Post #127
Tuesday August 11, 2020 2:35pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from stoked-3

I think we can all calm the hype train but when do you start the train? the guy has been promoted to the B team, and is training with the A team-sure it could be bc of injuries or for whatever reason but the bottom line is he is training with Messi-what is there not to be excited about? How many current USA MLS players could hang with the Barca A team?

Green did very well for us not to many players can say they scored in a world cup, fewer do say it the manner in which Green did, I could be wrong but believe he scored against France as well-he has been playing well and would be a good fit playing underneath the striker-

Still hope for Matt O and Moore has been playing well-Parks is back in MLS so I guess that means he is on the fast track to the Nats. Haji never rated the guy but hope he has a good club career.

Its been said many time-most of the "next"stars for us wll not pan out but that is what friendlies are for until we become a viable consistent Nat team-
Fact remains... he is playing in the 3rd division of Spain. He got called up to train with the first team likely largely due to it being summer and the allowance of an extended roster for the Champions League/Europa games due to covid.

The train should start when he actually does something. To date, hes done absolutely nothing other than be on the books of a big name club. We wouldn't and shouldn't hype up some 19 year old kid who is playing in USL, regardless of who he is attached to. That's legitimately the level hes playing at, training for the last couple weeks aside. I could give more examples than the names I brought up, but that illustrates my point.

It's good to be excited for the progress of kid, but any calls for him to be in the senior USMNT are laughable at this point. Hes quite literally done nothing, didn't standout in his own age range with the youth national team, and nobody on this site is watching Barca B games so they've never seen him actually play other than a few 15 second highlights. Come on guys... this really isn't a debate.

Let's be glad we are getting young kids on teams like Barca where they can move up the youth ranks and hopefully make it to the first team or move to another decent club and have a good career... but calling for him to get in the national team right now is a joke.

stoked-3
Post #128
Wednesday August 12, 2020 12:41am

Joined Mar 2020
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Original post from Lilshmike

Fact remains... he is playing in the 3rd division of Spain. He got called up to train with the first team likely largely due to it being summer and the allowance of an extended roster for the Champions League/Europa games due to covid.

The train should start when he actually does something. To date, hes done absolutely nothing other than be on the books of a big name club. We wouldn't and shouldn't hype up some 19 year old kid who is playing in USL, regardless of who he is attached to. That's legitimately the level hes playing at, training for the last couple weeks aside. I could give more examples than the names I brought up, but that illustrates my point.

It's good to be excited for the progress of kid, but any calls for him to be in the senior USMNT are laughable at this point. Hes quite literally done nothing, didn't standout in his own age range with the youth national team, and nobody on this site is watching Barca B games so they've never seen him actually play other than a few 15 second highlights. Come on guys... this really isn't a debate.

Let's be glad we are getting young kids on teams like Barca where they can move up the youth ranks and hopefully make it to the first team or move to another decent club and have a good career... but calling for him to get in the national team right now is a joke.



What is laughable is that we lost to Trinidad with a WC birth on the line-I dare say most of their players play in lesser leagues than Konrad. What is laughable is that we then took pretty much 2 yrs to conduct a world wide net on who our next coach would be only to interview no one and then hire the brother of Berhalter-that is a joke.

To make the joke funnier after our great coaching hire, GB then recalled the guys Dave S rightfully didnt call up so that we could build up our depth and youth-

We then saw Baird, Roldon, Sweat, zimmerman, gonzo etc that is laughable--

Do I think Konrad will pan out, who knows, do I have him a penciled starter nope, do I think if we see guys like Baird, roldon, Paul Ariola get called up then someone like Konrad can certainly be invited to a camp. We are not brazil, Germany France etc we missed the last WC bc we lost to Trinidad let that sink in and then ask yourself if we have a kid who is on Barca B and training with A team shouldnt we see where he is at?

stoked-3
Post #129
Wednesday August 12, 2020 12:49am

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 137
Original post from Samtom23

I tried to watch the last Barca B game he was in, all I could find were highlights. None of the highlights showed Konrad making a big impact. I still think wait until he is first team, Barca or not. We have other options that we can afford to wait.


He is starting and had a string of good games good plays. I have watched Paul Ariola in MLS and was not the least bit impressed.

Odds are this kid is not the next greatest US star but it is totally worth bringing him in and giving him 15 mins or so to see how he measures up. Im going to guess he can cross the ball better than Paul A, and has a better soccer IQ than Baird.

Ill also give you I was unimpressed with him in the WC I didnt think he looked good at all-but I also wasnt impressed with Reyna. Some guys play up to the competition and up to the level of play on their team; seemed to be the case with Reyna who knows worse case you call this kid up and you waste 1 call up in a friendly Im not sure what the big deal would be-the kids is training with messi, I repeat he is training with messi--that has to count for something. But asking him to start for Barca before we look at him is a totally unfair request-the question should be can he hang with the guys we are currently calling up

Dave
Post #130
Wednesday August 12, 2020 2:21am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,124
Original post from stoked-3

He is starting and had a string of good games good plays. I have watched Paul Ariola in MLS and was not the least bit impressed.

Odds are this kid is not the next greatest US star but it is totally worth bringing him in and giving him 15 mins or so to see how he measures up. Im going to guess he can cross the ball better than Paul A, and has a better soccer IQ than Baird.

Ill also give you I was unimpressed with him in the WC I didnt think he looked good at all-but I also wasnt impressed with Reyna. Some guys play up to the competition and up to the level of play on their team; seemed to be the case with Reyna who knows worse case you call this kid up and you waste 1 call up in a friendly Im not sure what the big deal would be-the kids is training with messi, I repeat he is training with messi-that has to count for something. But asking him to start for Barca before we look at him is a totally unfair request-the question should be can he hang with the guys we are currently calling up

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stoked-3, most would agree to giving Konrad a call-up ahead of Baird and Arriola (who's recovering from an ACL injury). What most of us are saying is that; is playing with Barca-B (Spanish 3rd division) a higher standard of play than Pulisic @ Chelsea (EPL), Reyna @ BvB (B1), Weah @ Lille (League-1), Boyd @ Besiktas (Turkey), Vassilev @ Aston (EPL) & Saucedo @ Pumas (Liga MX)? All 6 of these players have already seen 1st team minutes for their clubs in competitive matches, and only 2 of them have received call-ups by Gregg.
It wasn't all that long ago that Green was seeing 1st team minutes with Bayern Munich during preseason along side players like Lewandowski, Muller, etc...
Konrad, Uli, & Mendez are all where Green was 2-3 years ago. And if you're thinking that since Uli received a camp...please remember that he was called up for what was mostly a U-23 team, during a non FIFA date, ahead of what was going to be the Olympic Qualification Tournament.
Do I like Gregg's player selections and re-treds....No. But there are others who are more worthy and achieved more with their clubs than Konrad has at this point. As soon as he receives 1st team minutes (anywhere) we can start thinking about jumping him into the conversation with Reyna and the others.

Samtom23
Post #131
Wednesday August 12, 2020 4:32am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 514
Original post from Dave

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stoked-3, most would agree to giving Konrad a call-up ahead of Baird and Arriola (who's recovering from an ACL injury). What most of us are saying is that; is playing with Barca-B (Spanish 3rd division) a higher standard of play than Pulisic @ Chelsea (EPL), Reyna @ BvB (B1), Weah @ Lille (League-1), Boyd @ Besiktas (Turkey), Vassilev @ Aston (EPL) & Saucedo @ Pumas (Liga MX)? All 6 of these players have already seen 1st team minutes for their clubs in competitive matches, and only 2 of them have received call-ups by Gregg.
It wasn't all that long ago that Green was seeing 1st team minutes with Bayern Munich during preseason along side players like Lewandowski, Muller, etc...
Konrad, Uli, & Mendez are all where Green was 2-3 years ago. And if you're thinking that since Uli received a camp...please remember that he was called up for what was mostly a U-23 team, during a non FIFA date, ahead of what was going to be the Olympic Qualification Tournament.
Do I like Gregg's player selections and re-treds....No. But there are others who are more worthy and achieved more with their clubs than Konrad has at this point. As soon as he receives 1st team minutes (anywhere) we can start thinking about jumping him into the conversation with Reyna and the others.


Yes, definitely not advocating Baird or Arriola. I personally look at what Konrad personally has accomplished. Yes at a big club but he does spend the majority of his time with the third tier. Under some pressure games he largely has not stood out. But if given a year or two more I think this might change. I can't see how we can call in a player that didn't impress in these games. World Cup for U-20 and the last Barca B game. If had crushed it, he would have more of a present argument.

Also, it is great he trains with Messi. But Steve Kerr trained with Michael Jordan and we didn't call him into the US Men's Basketball Team. Not a like for like comparison but hope you get my meaning.

Thanks for clarifying more Dave.

hamsamwich
Post #132
Wednesday August 12, 2020 5:30am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,540
Steve Kerr won everything at every level and is considered one of the top 5-10 pure shooters of all time. If Konrad can have a long career that's a great success. He still hasn't broken into the pros yet. He's more like a UNC version of Sam Perkins at this point- all the tools in the world but can he turn that into a viable pro career?

blaise213
Post #133
Wednesday August 12, 2020 9:18am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,255
Original post from hamsamwich

Steve Kerr won everything at every level and is considered one of the top 5-10 pure shooters of all time. If Konrad can have a long career that's a great success. He still hasn't broken into the pros yet. He's more like a UNC version of Sam Perkins at this point- all the tools in the world but can he turn that into a viable pro career?


And MLS is like the NBA D-league ! The final tonight was horrible. I'll take a guy on the bench of the best team in the world over any MLS player.

Lilshmike
Post #134
Wednesday August 12, 2020 2:31pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,549
Original post from stoked-3

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What is laughable is that we lost to Trinidad with a WC birth on the line-I dare say most of their players play in lesser leagues than Konrad. What is laughable is that we then took pretty much 2 yrs to conduct a world wide net on who our next coach would be only to interview no one and then hire the brother of Berhalter-that is a joke.

To make the joke funnier after our great coaching hire, GB then recalled the guys Dave S rightfully didnt call up so that we could build up our depth and youth-

We then saw Baird, Roldon, Sweat, zimmerman, gonzo etc that is laughable-

Do I think Konrad will pan out, who knows, do I have him a penciled starter nope, do I think if we see guys like Baird, roldon, Paul Ariola get called up then someone like Konrad can certainly be invited to a camp. We are not brazil, Germany France etc we missed the last WC bc we lost to Trinidad let that sink in and then ask yourself if we have a kid who is on Barca B and training with A team shouldnt we see where he is at?
Oh, so since we lost to T&T a few years ago, Konrad should get called in right now? Of course! that makes complete and total sense. Come on man...

As Dave and Samtom put it, there are many others who are in front of Konrad right now who have actually done something to earn a shot. Pulisic, Reyna, Weah, Morris, Boyd, Vassilev, Saucedo... I'll go out and throw in Green, Llanez and Sabbi as well.

I'm not calling for Arriola or Baird or Roldan or Sweat or Zimmerman or Gonzalez... I never even brought up those names.... so why are you? Not only that... but why are you comparing an attacking player to center mids and defenders? If you're going to complain, at least do it with like for like positional players...

Again.. this really isn't a debate because the kid still has a little ways to go before hes legitimately in the conversation. You're arguing for him because you took the stance early and are unwilling to accept that it may have been a bit too much a bit too soon. Lets take a second to detach the Barca name from him, think about the reality of the level he is playing at, and put it into perspective of who else we have in the pool...

Multiple teams have/had interest in him, so it seems like the kid has potential. But this is the real world, not the deepest darkest depths of super fandom on an online forum. Its not the job of the national team manager to develop players and talent... that is on the club coaches. And its not like the national team coaches haven't kept up on the progress of Konrad either... he plays with our youth national teams. If those youth managers, who coach those players and monitor their development at club, aren't advocating to GGG and saying "this kid is ready now" as they did with Weah and Sargent and a couple others (which there is no indication at this point that they have), then he likely isn't there yet.

The kid has the right road map in front of him to get there, but the reality is that he just isn't there yet. Lets slow the hype train until he starts getting first team minutes ANYWHERE, be it on loan or at Barca.

hamsamwich
Post #135
Wednesday August 12, 2020 4:47pm

Joined Oct 2013
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It's a big couple months for Konrad. He extended his contract amid interest from the bundesliga- so what does this next season bring? Another year at Barca B? A loan? Does he get sold? Does he hang around on the fringes of the first team/reserves instead of another full youth season, with maybe a cup or league appearance? It's a lot for him and his agent to decide.

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