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hamsamwich
Post #91
Wednesday July 29, 2020 1:58pm

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He has been productive. You don't like him. Ok. The Mexico game is an awful example we literally couldn't pass out of the back. Pretty much Steffen and Aaron Long were total crap. I don't remember us getting the ball into the attack, so not sure how that's his fault when we couldnt build out of the back. @bjelks you need to start separating what you want from what is actually happening. Nobody is saying don't bring in konrad or see what he's got. And yes it does have everything to do with a passport. Note how Pulisic and Gio went at 16, but Hernandez foster and Kayo (or Sargent) had to wait until 18 to go over. Do you think at 18 konrad gets invited to La Masia from Ft lauderdale or Miami FC academy?? Or is it because his dad moved the family there and so he has the ability to not count against their roster number as a foreign player? Some players have advantages as to where they can play and Konrad enjoys that... he needs to make the most of his opportunity. Playing in Segunda gives Konrad the opportunity to learn his craft not go all our for points but that day is coming soon. And yes in Europe, those are development leagues I just said that in my last post. Unlike the monopoly and closed system MLS which does not care about development. I'm sorry but you aren't right on this one.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #92
Wednesday July 29, 2020 3:47pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,126
Original post from bjelks

I've never bashed mls, that's a ridiculous assertion to make.


This made me laugh so hard that I was unable to post about it.

Samtom23
Post #93
Wednesday July 29, 2020 4:07pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 514
This Barca scout calls Konrad Barca B's top talent at attacker and says he could be on the Fati trajectory.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jr0tz2lYW3U[/quote]

This is the one that made me laugh. I wouldn't call that guy a scout but more of a super fan. I guess I am a scout for many many clubs. I just wonder where the hell is my check for all these clubs?

Lilshmike
Post #94
Wednesday July 29, 2020 8:09pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,549
@bjelks... come on man. You're cementing your feet in the ground and arguing opinions that are completely subjective, trying to claim they are objective, doing wild mental gymnastics to try and "prove" you're somehow in someway right, and its making you look dumb. Like, really dumb. For real.

The Fati trajectory... the "scout" video you posted... trying to use market values to prove your point, then discrediting them when they demonstrate (very clearly) the exact opposite of what you're claiming... saying you've never bashed MLS...

Just give it a break man.

bjelks
Post #95
Thursday July 30, 2020 1:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Nah @lilshmike, you look dumb or anybody else that says things that we all know aren't true.
Saying mls teams can finish 5-15 in the EPL when the highest valued MLS team is on par with mid table Championship is idiotic. The same mls teams that can't win or even make CCL finals make that argument a joke.

We all know that the world uses transfer values as an objective measure to compare players and teams. To disregard that is foolish. It's dumb to say that because a player plays well against mls or concacaf that they can't be topped by a Barca reserve after we all saw a Wolfsburg reserve outplay a roster full of mls vets/ all stars in January.

To say that training with Barca 1st team and being regarded as a top reserve at Barca is less significant than scoring against Cuba or Vancouver is pure fanboying and nothing good has ever come from fanboying. The reason we didn't qualify last cycle was because of mls bias and fanboying. Believe what makes you feel good, these are the facts.

And again I've never bashed MLS, Ive only stuck with the facts when discussing how player/ team values correlate with levels of play. These are universally accepted objective metrics that the best soccer minds in the world accept. We can argue all day about player attributes and quality, but arguing that values subjective is dumb.
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bjelks
Post #96
Thursday July 30, 2020 2:02pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,923
[quote]Original post from Samtom23

This Barca scout calls Konrad Barca B's top talent at attacker and says he could be on the Fati trajectory.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jr0tz2lYW3U[/quote]

This is the one that made me laugh. I wouldn't call that guy a scout but more of a super fan. I guess I am a scout for many many clubs. I just wonder where the hell is my check for all these clubs?[/quote]

There are plenty of other super fans, scouts, coaches within the club that rate him highly.
All these people watch top level football and top level players develop everyday.
Who's opinion would you trust more someone who follows every player that comes through arguably the best club in the world for the past 20 yrs or someone who's never seen or projected a world class player which is you lol?

This guy's angle is he wants to see Barca be the best team in the world. Your angle is you want to hype mls, I would say he has less motive to be subjective and bias.
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bjelks
Post #97
Thursday July 30, 2020 2:24pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,923
Original post from hamsamwich

He has been productive. You don't like him. Ok. The Mexico game is an awful example we literally couldn't pass out of the back. Pretty much Steffen and Aaron Long were total crap. I don't remember us getting the ball into the attack, so not sure how that's his fault when we couldnt build out of the back. @bjelks you need to start separating what you want from what is actually happening. Nobody is saying don't bring in konrad or see what he's got. And yes it does have everything to do with a passport. Note how Pulisic and Gio went at 16, but Hernandez foster and Kayo (or Sargent) had to wait until 18 to go over. Do you think at 18 konrad gets invited to La Masia from Ft lauderdale or Miami FC academy?? Or is it because his dad moved the family there and so he has the ability to not count against their roster number as a foreign player? Some players have advantages as to where they can play and Konrad enjoys that... he needs to make the most of his opportunity. Playing in Segunda gives Konrad the opportunity to learn his craft not go all our for points but that day is coming soon. And yes in Europe, those are development leagues I just said that in my last post. Unlike the monopoly and closed system MLS which does not care about development. I'm sorry but you aren't right on this one.


Nope @hammsamwich, I think you give credit to Morris being productive against low level competition more than you should and it dilutes the quality of the analysis. If Morris goes and has a game against Cuba or Vancouver who we know can't beat Barca B, no one that understands the global standard will recognize that. So for the life of me I don't understand, why you feel it's necessary to to recognize his performances against low level competition and try to argue it's telling on a global level.

I don't feel any way personally about any player but I am interested in profiles. Morris doesn't have the profile to be useful under pressure or against higher levels of play. The Mexico game was a perfect example of how Morris looks against even mediocre international competition. The Canada game was a pressure game against a crap opponent. When Morris has to think, play faster, create on his own or win duals, he looks terrible. The reason is because he doesn't have the experience to handle pressure and he doesn't have the technical ability to control the ball under pressure and be positive. You hype this kid bc of what he represents to mls and USSF but overlook the massive flaws that have plateaued his game. What is actually happening is USSF knows the men's program cares more about how players look and their backgrounds than how good they are at playing the game.

Yes Konrad's passport helped him get to La Masia, but his ability has him climbing the ranks. Again, this isn't a country club, players should be picked on merit and ability. If a player goes to a top Academy and develops into a better played because of it, that should not be held against them.
Too many benefits are given to mls players and ppl say well they don't have a passport, I say passport or not, the best player should play and you may have a problem saying that a youth player on a reserve team is better than an mls all star but we've seen it with Uly.

Again I understand Barca B is a development team, but it doesn't mean they can't beat full teams in MLS and Liga mex with lesser players
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Samtom23
Post #98
Thursday July 30, 2020 2:50pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 514
Original post from bjelks

Nope @hammsamwich, I think you give credit to Morris being productive against low level competition more than you should and it dilutes the quality of the analysis. If Morris goes and has a game against Cuba or Vancouver who we know can't beat Barca B, no one that understands the global standard will recognize that. So for the life of me I don't understand, why you feel it's necessary to to recognize his performances against low level competition and try to argue it's telling on a global level.

I don't feel any way personally about any player but I am interested in profiles. Morris doesn't have the profile to be useful under pressure or against higher levels of play. The Mexico game was a perfect example of how Morris looks against even mediocre international competition. The Canada game was a pressure game against a crap opponent. When Morris has to think, play faster, create on his own or win duals, he looks terrible. The reason is because he doesn't have the experience to handle pressure and he doesn't have the technical ability to control the ball under pressure and be positive. You hype this kid bc of what he represents to mls and USSF but overlook the massive flaws that have plateaued his game. What is actually happening is USSF knows the men's program cares more about how players look and their backgrounds than how good they are at playing the game.

Yes Konrad's passport helped him get to La Masia, but his ability has him climbing the ranks. Again, this isn't a country club, players should be picked on merit and ability. If a player goes to a top Academy and develops into a better played because of it, that should not be held against them.
Too many benefits are given to mls players and ppl say well they don't have a passport, I say passport or not, the best player should play and you may have a problem saying that a youth player on a reserve team is better than an mls all star but we've seen it with Uly.

Again I understand Barca B is a development team, but it doesn't mean they can't beat full teams in MLS and Liga mex with lesser players


So the take away is that because Morris's dad is a doctor and come from a family of some means, you don't want him on the National team. So much so that you are willing not to recognise his actual play against Mexico when he was the second best player on the pitch when he came into the game.

hamsamwich
Post #99
Thursday July 30, 2020 3:15pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,540
The MLS is about making money for the rich group of people that own the league. The franchise fees are enormous. They don't gamble on development they gamble that people want to watch their product so they try and make it competitive.

I think what's frustrating is I am not hyping Morris. The fact that Weah isn't ready for the team from a health perspective would be the only reason he's not there. Beyond that there's Reyna. Do you think Konrad should be given looks over those two as well? He should be brought into camp. But that's it.

I don't care about Vancouver or Cuba I said many posts ago this is a team game. One guy to pass the ball another to receive it. You know what I don't see from Konrad? For all this ability where are his key passes and assists? He should be providing scoring opportunities on a plate. But all I see is running with his head down. Even that pass you posted from last week was a deflected shank that the #9 scored with a great header. I have Konrad somewhere 5-9th best winger right now if all were healthy with Morris, Weah, Reyna, Uly for sure ahead of him. Konrad is somewhere currently in the mix with Cameron Harper as he breaks into Celtics first team. The younger crowd (after those guys) are even more technical etc so Konrad will have competition at all age levels. He needs to continue his development to keep up or stay ahead.

bjelks
Post #100
Saturday August 1, 2020 2:17pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,923
Original post from Samtom23

So the take away is that because Morris's dad is a doctor and come from a family of some means, you don't want him on the National team. So much so that you are willing not to recognise his actual play against Mexico when he was the second best player on the pitch when he came into the game.


No the take away is that Morris doesn't have the hunger or toughness to deal with adversity 1st and those aren't the traits of a top level player.
Second he doesn't have the profile, development or technical traits of a top level player.
Third, when half the best players for the roster are being passed over to make room for Morris because casuals like you want to cheer for Players that look the way and come from backgrounds that make you comfortable it compromises the national team performances and dilutes everyone's play.
Fourth, it's short sighted to think that there aren't better players in the pool being left out just because you like the look and background of the players called in.
Last, I don't agree Morris made any significant impact against Mexico or Canada away. He's a player that's dependent on everyone else and when things get tough he creates nothing as evidenced by getting stumped in MLS Tourney.

I'm sorry dude, no respectable soccer voice thinks highly of Morris and I don't consider anyone that takes money from MLS or USSF respectable.
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bjelks
Post #101
Saturday August 1, 2020 2:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,923
Original post from hamsamwich

The MLS is about making money for the rich group of people that own the league. The franchise fees are enormous. They don't gamble on development they gamble that people want to watch their product so they try and make it competitive.

I think what's frustrating is I am not hyping Morris. The fact that Weah isn't ready for the team from a health perspective would be the only reason he's not there. Beyond that there's Reyna. Do you think Konrad should be given looks over those two as well? He should be brought into camp. But that's it.

I don't care about Vancouver or Cuba I said many posts ago this is a team game. One guy to pass the ball another to receive it. You know what I don't see from Konrad? For all this ability where are his key passes and assists? He should be providing scoring opportunities on a plate. But all I see is running with his head down. Even that pass you posted from last week was a deflected shank that the #9 scored with a great header. I have Konrad somewhere 5-9th best winger right now if all were healthy with Morris, Weah, Reyna, Uly for sure ahead of him. Konrad is somewhere currently in the mix with Cameron Harper as he breaks into Celtics first team. The younger crowd (after those guys) are even more technical etc so Konrad will have competition at all age levels. He needs to continue his development to keep up or stay ahead.


After a beautiful move and pin point cross that led to a goal in a playoff game, I think it's funny to say he runs with his head down and it's a fluke.
I'm not going to say Konrad is better than Weah, Uly or Reyna, I will say Jordan doesn't make the move Konrad made or the pinpoint cross or the curling goal top of the box.
We'll "see" how he progresses, but when he makes his 1st team debut next fall I don't wanna hear any excuse why anyone thinks Morris' hair is prettier or his dog is cuter.
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hamsamwich
Post #102
Saturday August 1, 2020 5:25pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,540
I'm pretty sure on the yanks abroad forum the majority of us would love to see it from konrad. I think that proposed move that fell through to Hertha Berlin was a little bit of a shame as Germany is where I thought he should go.
Let's try a different tactic here @bjelks- where should he go on loan? He's not going to play for Barca next year so where should he go? What level or league?

bjelks
Post #103
Saturday August 1, 2020 10:30pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,923
Original post from hamsamwich

I'm pretty sure on the yanks abroad forum the majority of us would love to see it from konrad. I think that proposed move that fell through to Hertha Berlin was a little bit of a shame as Germany is where I thought he should go.
Let's try a different tactic here @bjelks- where should he go on loan? He's not going to play for Barca next year so where should he go? What level or league?


@hamsamwich I'm bout To throw you another curve ball. He's been training with first team all week and the first team is missing 4 guys due to injury and travel concerns. He's rumored to have a chance to make the 18. Now if somehow he makes the 1st team and debuts in the Champs League, would you feel any different about him?

But if he has to go on loan id like to see him bottom to mid tier la Liga or Bundesliga?
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hamsamwich
Post #104
Saturday August 1, 2020 11:42pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,540
Barca is a mess right now that won't stay that way forever. I remember Weah (who I think is better) sort of be on the PSG first team until he was at Celtic. Being at lille I thought was the best Weah could've done. If Konrad gets a move of that type it would be great. To answer your question- That's a lot of ifs and I'm not sure about the FIFA rules regarding who's eligible for the champions league in the first place, as far as only being able to register so many players at a time. I would still have him behind a healthy Weah and Gio Reyna yes. It's going to take a good half season of productive minutes in a real league before he nips at their heels even.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #105
Monday August 3, 2020 2:50am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,605
I say he stays at Barca this year, but if it looks like he isn't going to be apart of the first team the following year.... he should go on loan or seek a permanent move to another club. I don't anothe Mukwelle Akale on our hands with De La Fuente. Akale toiled away on the u23 team and was recently released by Villarreal. Won't be surprised if Akale is a Minnesota player soon.

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