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Post #31
Monday June 29, 2020 5:17pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Should've went to a Bundesliga club, as should've Soto, he and Konrad appear to have made bad decisions on moves for next season.

But if Konrad becomes part of the firs team, highly unlikely, who cares....and if Soto scores 15+ goals on loan somewhere, highly unlikely, who cares right..

yodaddy101
Post #32
Tuesday June 30, 2020 7:38pm

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 166
Konrad and Soto better swallow their ego and work their asses off. They have so much potential and it will happen if they put all the possible effort into their work, regardless of what club they are at. Very talented players i believe in them, just gotta hustle.
Ride or Die. -USMNT
bjelks
Post #33
Tuesday June 30, 2020 10:42pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Konrad is in a good place.
He's graduated to the Barca B team and will be competing for a place in Segunda A for next yr.
If they are promoted and play well early in Segunda A, he could very well debut with the 1st team for a Cup game.
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bjelks
Post #34
Tuesday June 30, 2020 10:45pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,910
According to Transfermarkt, Barca B is worth 43mil

The MLS champion Seattle Sounders are only worth 28mil
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Lilshmike
Post #35
Wednesday July 1, 2020 3:33pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,549
Original post from bjelks

According to Transfermarkt, Barca B is worth 43mil

The MLS champion Seattle Sounders are only worth 28mil
Also according to the same source, both LAFC and Atlanta are worth over $50mil...

Considering you're using squad values as your metric here... safe to assume that both of those MLS teams are better than Barca B.

Lilshmike
Post #36
Wednesday July 1, 2020 3:56pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,549
And building off my previous point...

According to TM:

MLS total market value is $663.11m, with an average market value of $25.50m.

LaLiga2 total market value is $433.40m, with an average market value of $19.70m.

Again... by your own source and through the argument you're presenting, its safe to say that MLS is a better and stronger league (both in aggregate and on average) than the 2nd division in Spain.

Lilshmike
Post #37
Wednesday July 1, 2020 4:09pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from bjelks

According to Transfermarkt, Barca B is worth 43mil

The MLS champion Seattle Sounders are only worth 28mil
Oh, and one more thing...

According to TM, Barca B is valued at $35.72m. Source here:
https://www.transfermarkt.us/segunda-division...

They play in Segunda B, which is below the 2nd division in Spain, and the league is only valued at $120.01m. Source for both LaLiga2 and Segunda B here:
https://www.transfermarkt.us/schnellsuche/erg...

Considering LaLiga2 is below MLS, Segunda B (where Konrad plays) is far below MLS' value of $663.11m. Source for MLS here:
https://www.transfermarkt.us/schnellsuche/erg...

Again, I'm not lying or making anything up (although it seems as though you lied about the value of Barca B)... I'm just presenting the numbers as they are. You're trying to push something (that MLS is inferior to these leagues) that just isn't backed by your own sources (as I have generously listed and made available for all to see here).

But @bjelks... lets try to keep the unnecessary MLS bashing out of every thread. Especially when the sources you provide contradict your argument and demonstrate that MLS is stronger than you're trying to claim. And again, I'm not attempting to defend MLS, just pointing out you're flawed argument (and lie about Barca B).

Hoping that Konrad gets a fair shake at playing time... but probably would have been best for him to move to another club where he could gain more experience playing against higher level competition. Hopefully he gets a run in a cup game or two.

bjelks
Post #38
Wednesday July 1, 2020 5:46pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,910
Original post from Lilshmike

Also according to the same source, both LAFC and Atlanta are worth over $50mil...

Considering you're using squad values as your metric here... safe to assume that both of those MLS teams are better than Barca B.


The problem is a team worth 28mil won MLS last yr lol.

And my point is and still stands that the Barcelona reserves are still worth more than the MLS champions.

If the 28mil valued Sounders can beat the 50 mil valued LA and Atl, then surely the 35 - 40mil valued Barca kids can win it lol.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #39
Wednesday July 1, 2020 5:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,910
Original post from Lilshmike

And building off my previous point...

According to TM:

MLS total market value is $663.11m, with an average market value of $25.50m.

LaLiga2 total market value is $433.40m, with an average market value of $19.70m.

Again... by your own source and through the argument you're presenting, its safe to say that MLS is a better and stronger league (both in aggregate and on average) than the 2nd division in Spain.


Yes MLS is marginally better than the 2nd division league in Spain.

What you're failing to understand is that that there is a lot of overlap in the 2 leagues and just because the league as a whole is marginally better, doesn't mean the players as a whole are better.

MLS is viewed as a terminal league by most of its players, Segunda is a developmental.

It's laughable that players in a developmental league are that close or even higher in value than players in a terminal league.

I'm providing all this evidence about values because you seem incapable of looking at players with your eyes and evaluating them, which is what mls diehards struggle to do bc it devalues their product.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #40
Wednesday July 1, 2020 6:30pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,910
Original post from Lilshmike

Oh, and one more thing...

According to TM, Barca B is valued at $35.72m. Source here:
https://www.transfermarkt.us/segunda-division...

They play in Segunda B, which is below the 2nd division in Spain, and the league is only valued at $120.01m. Source for both LaLiga2 and Segunda B here:
https://www.transfermarkt.us/schnellsuche/erg...

Considering LaLiga2 is below MLS, Segunda B (where Konrad plays) is far below MLS' value of $663.11m. Source for MLS here:
https://www.transfermarkt.us/schnellsuche/erg...

Again, I'm not lying or making anything up (although it seems as though you lied about the value of Barca B)... I'm just presenting the numbers as they are. You're trying to push something (that MLS is inferior to these leagues) that just isn't backed by your own sources (as I have generously listed and made available for all to see here).

But @bjelks... lets try to keep the unnecessary MLS bashing out of every thread. Especially when the sources you provide contradict your argument and demonstrate that MLS is stronger than you're trying to claim. And again, I'm not attempting to defend MLS, just pointing out you're flawed argument (and lie about Barca B).

Hoping that Konrad gets a fair shake at playing time... but probably would have been best for him to move to another club where he could gain more experience playing against higher level competition. Hopefully he gets a run in a cup game or two.


Player and team values fluctuate daily on Transfermarkt, for the sake of this discussion it's 35 today.

Barca B is in the Segunda A playoff. Surely, you knew that because of your robust array of football knowledge.

On aggregate, you just mentioned that Segunda A teams are worth 19mil and MLS is worth 25mil.
Again, that's marginal.

So to recap, you confirmed that Barca B which currently plays in Spanish 3rd division and in the promotional playoffs for 2nd division is worth more than the MLS champions.
I didn't lie about anything, I gave you the value of the team for that day.

The fact is MLS is marginally better than Spain 2, Scotland, Sweden, Japan.
On par with Germany 2, Greece, China, Denmark.
Before you try to twist my words, understand clearly that I've said that mls is on par, marginally better or marginally worse than other 3rd tier leagues.
And if levels are that close, you shouldn't blindly proclaim MLS players are superior to them.

globalfootballrankings.com for your reference

Lol, what you call bashing of mls is what a non-fanboy would call level setting the MLS with world hierarchy.
You saying my sources contradict my argument is a boldface lie bc I've used language like on par or marginally better or worse.
Again, I've stated that mls is a 3rd tier league and who they are on par with, or marginally better or worse than.

The fact that you have to say you're not attempting to defend mls while you're attempting to defend mls and lie and misinterpret me is a joke.
Do you really expect me to take someone who rates mls players above Championship, Bundesliga and EPL players as not a defendant of MLS?

Lol stop it

I say that Morris should move to another league where he can gain more experience playing against higher competition and you denounce it bc you believe mls is good enough. Being that Konrad plays on a more valuable team than Morris, that makes you a hypocrite and your views contradictory.
goalsense
Samtom23
Post #41
Friday July 3, 2020 5:28pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 511
Original post from bjelks

Player and team values fluctuate daily on Transfermarkt, for the sake of this discussion it's 35 today.

Barca B is in the Segunda A playoff. Surely, you knew that because of your robust array of football knowledge.

On aggregate, you just mentioned that Segunda A teams are worth 19mil and MLS is worth 25mil.
Again, that's marginal.

So to recap, you confirmed that Barca B which currently plays in Spanish 3rd division and in the promotional playoffs for 2nd division is worth more than the MLS champions.
I didn't lie about anything, I gave you the value of the team for that day.

The fact is MLS is marginally better than Spain 2, Scotland, Sweden, Japan.
On par with Germany 2, Greece, China, Denmark.
Before you try to twist my words, understand clearly that I've said that mls is on par, marginally better or marginally worse than other 3rd tier leagues.
And if levels are that close, you shouldn't blindly proclaim MLS players are superior to them.

globalfootballrankings.com for your reference

Lol, what you call bashing of mls is what a non-fanboy would call level setting the MLS with world hierarchy.
You saying my sources contradict my argument is a boldface lie bc I've used language like on par or marginally better or worse.
Again, I've stated that mls is a 3rd tier league and who they are on par with, or marginally better or worse than.

The fact that you have to say you're not attempting to defend mls while you're attempting to defend mls and lie and misinterpret me is a joke.
Do you really expect me to take someone who rates mls players above Championship, Bundesliga and EPL players as not a defendant of MLS?

Lol stop it

I say that Morris should move to another league where he can gain more experience playing against higher competition and you denounce it bc you believe mls is good enough. Being that Konrad plays on a more valuable team than Morris, that makes you a hypocrite and your views contradictory.


It would be nice to get them both in camp and see for ourselves. Only way to really tell.

bjelks
Post #42
Saturday July 4, 2020 2:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,910
I'm all for an intersquad scrimmage, but this would expose Gregg and USSF, so they would never do it.

All I can objectively say is that the value of the players is similar and that Barca is known for a very high technical standard
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hamsamwich
Post #43
Saturday July 4, 2020 2:58pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,538
Gregg has had Cameron Harper, Dante Sealy and Bryang Kayo into camps for scrimmages so I'm sure he's not against that. I could see him bringing in Konrad to see what he's got.

Samtom23
Post #44
Saturday July 4, 2020 4:16pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 511
Original post from bjelks

I'm all for an intersquad scrimmage, but this would expose Gregg and USSF, so they would never do it.

All I can objectively say is that the value of the players is similar and that Barca is known for a very high technical standard


We don't know until we see. It would be nice to see what a player actually has to offer. And with the loss of this year, next camp we might see something like an expanded roster because the lost time.

bjelks
Post #45
Saturday July 4, 2020 9:08pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,910
Original post from Samtom23

We don't know until we see. It would be nice to see what a player actually has to offer. And with the loss of this year, next camp we might see something like an expanded roster because the lost time.


We're never going to see an intersquad scrimmage bc it would ruin the integrity of Gregg's selections, but I'd love to see these position battles instead of tasking Gregg's words for them
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