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stoked-3
Post #136
Wednesday August 12, 2020 9:43pm

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 76
Original post from Lilshmike

Oh, so since we lost to T&T a few years ago, Konrad should get called in right now? Of course! that makes complete and total sense. Come on man...

As Dave and Samtom put it, there are many others who are in front of Konrad right now who have actually done something to earn a shot. Pulisic, Reyna, Weah, Morris, Boyd, Vassilev, Saucedo... I'll go out and throw in Green, Llanez and Sabbi as well.

I'm not calling for Arriola or Baird or Roldan or Sweat or Zimmerman or Gonzalez... I never even brought up those names.... so why are you? Not only that... but why are you comparing an attacking player to center mids and defenders? If you're going to complain, at least do it with like for like positional players...

Again.. this really isn't a debate because the kid still has a little ways to go before hes legitimately in the conversation. You're arguing for him because you took the stance early and are unwilling to accept that it may have been a bit too much a bit too soon. Lets take a second to detach the Barca name from him, think about the reality of the level he is playing at, and put it into perspective of who else we have in the pool...

Multiple teams have/had interest in him, so it seems like the kid has potential. But this is the real world, not the deepest darkest depths of super fandom on an online forum. Its not the job of the national team manager to develop players and talent... that is on the club coaches. And its not like the national team coaches haven't kept up on the progress of Konrad either... he plays with our youth national teams. If those youth managers, who coach those players and monitor their development at club, aren't advocating to GGG and saying "this kid is ready now" as they did with Weah and Sargent and a couple others (which there is no indication at this point that they have), then he likely isn't there yet.

The kid has the right road map in front of him to get there, but the reality is that he just isn't there yet. Lets slow the hype train until he starts getting first team minutes ANYWHERE, be it on loan or at Barca.


I know your a soccer genius so its hard to debate you but yes when you lose to Trinidad in my opinion you have to reevaluate the whole process/program. That means thinking outside of the box. Part of that is identifying quicker who from our pool is aging, who does not cut it at this level, who maybe ready at a future date etc our MO is call up players and stick with them no matter how they perform and hang on to them to long when their play declines-

I used those player to give an example of the caliber of players GB calls up-none of those players could play on any of Barcas teams. But I do believe Paul and Corey play a similar position to Konrad.

n your rush to get on to spout why your thought is the only thoughts that count, You must not have read my prior statements. Im advocating for this guy to be called if we are calling players like I mentioned. If you tell me greg calls in as you say : Green, Sabbi, Uli, I would be ecstatic and would not mind konrad not being called up. But as long as we have camp cupcake (moslty filled with mls guys that should be no where near the nats) and they get a full camp and usually 2 friendlies what is the rub with calling this kid in? Didnt GB call in a couple college kids? I get that those guys will most likely play in mls so you dont take issue with it but seems to be me he could be a camp invite and if he does well in camp then a 15 min cameo woudlnt hurt our program at all-And by the way isnt camp cupcake a way for GB to look at new players ? If that is the case are you suggesting GB not do that?

I will say it again : in my opinion is Konrad going to make the Barca A team NO. is he going to get sold or loaned yes, will he end up starting at a huge club probally not but will his trajectory be better than some of the fringe GB call ups? maybe, so 1 call up after training with Barca A not sure how people can get to butt hurt with that.

Worse case he has a career like Green in which case we could hope for him to score in a WC lol

stoked-3
Post #137
Wednesday August 12, 2020 9:47pm

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 76
Original post from Dave

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stoked-3, most would agree to giving Konrad a call-up ahead of Baird and Arriola (who's recovering from an ACL injury). What most of us are saying is that; is playing with Barca-B (Spanish 3rd division) a higher standard of play than Pulisic @ Chelsea (EPL), Reyna @ BvB (B1), Weah @ Lille (League-1), Boyd @ Besiktas (Turkey), Vassilev @ Aston (EPL) & Saucedo @ Pumas (Liga MX)? All 6 of these players have already seen 1st team minutes for their clubs in competitive matches, and only 2 of them have received call-ups by Gregg.
It wasn't all that long ago that Green was seeing 1st team minutes with Bayern Munich during preseason along side players like Lewandowski, Muller, etc...
Konrad, Uli, & Mendez are all where Green was 2-3 years ago. And if you're thinking that since Uli received a camp...please remember that he was called up for what was mostly a U-23 team, during a non FIFA date, ahead of what was going to be the Olympic Qualification Tournament.
Do I like Gregg's player selections and re-treds....No. But there are others who are more worthy and achieved more with their clubs than Konrad has at this point. As soon as he receives 1st team minutes (anywhere) we can start thinking about jumping him into the conversation with Reyna and the others.


I agree with your points. The Reyna reference was when someone said Konrad didn't play well in WC, I mentioned in my opinion neither did Konrad.
If we are calling in the 6 players above I am fine with Konrad not recieving a call. But no matter what any of us may feel about hype. You have to excited for a 19 yr old American to be training with Barca A-he wont end up there but none the less it is exciting. Look everyone is excited for Aaronson who is 19 and is drawing interest from overseas and I am sure will go overseas and we are ready to bring him in to the team-its not to far fetched to get excited about Konrad

Dave
Post #138
Thursday August 13, 2020 1:07am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,090
Original post from stoked-3

I agree with your points. The Reyna reference was when someone said Konrad didn't play well in WC, I mentioned in my opinion neither did Konrad.
If we are calling in the 6 players above I am fine with Konrad not recieving a call. But no matter what any of us may feel about hype. You have to excited for a 19 yr old American to be training with Barca A-he wont end up there but none the less it is exciting. Look everyone is excited for Aaronson who is 19 and is drawing interest from overseas and I am sure will go overseas and we are ready to bring him in to the team-its not to far fetched to get excited about Konrad

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I'm thrilled for Konrad and hope that he succeeds wherever he ultimately ends up. The more players we have playing/challenging themselves in top leagues the better off the USMNT will be. We're still probably 2-3 yrs away from having real depth at all positions, but we are making headway. The next 12-18 months should see a surge of "Prospects" (youth/reserve team players) transitioning to their clubs 1st teams and begin to see minutes. Konrad, Ledezma, Uli, Gloster, Richards, Mendez, & Vassilev will hopefully all be seeing 1st team minutes this coming season either with their clubs 1st team or while out on loan. That would be a nice group of additions to the USMNT Player Pool.

bjelks
Post #139
Thursday August 13, 2020 2:10am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,694
The only player I have a problem with being called over Konrad is Jordan Morris bc Jordan plays on a weaker team even with Jordan being an above avg player for MLS Sounders and Konrad being with Barca B.
The technical standard and the level of competition for Barca B is higher than Sounders
goalsense
Samtom23
Post #140
Thursday August 13, 2020 2:16am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 426
Original post from bjelks

The only player I have a problem with being called over Konrad is Jordan Morris bc Jordan plays on a weaker team even with Jordan being an above avg player for MLS Sounders and Konrad being with Barca B.
The technical standard and the level of competition for Barca B is higher than Sounders


He is played what 5 games with Barca B, dumb ass.

Samtom23
Post #141
Thursday August 13, 2020 2:22am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 426
Original post from Samtom23

He has played what 5 games with Barca B? Dumb ass.


2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #142
Thursday August 13, 2020 3:13am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,581
I'm not. Jordan Morris has proven he is a USMNT player. De La Fuente isn't there yet.

bjelks
Post #143
Thursday August 13, 2020 4:16am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,694
Original post from Samtom23

He is played what 5 games with Barca B, dumb ass.


How many games has Morris played with a team worth more than Barca B girlfriend?
goalsense
bjelks
Post #144
Thursday August 13, 2020 4:18am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,694
Original post from 2tone

I'm not. Jordan Morris has proven he is a USMNT player. De La Fuente isn't there yet.


Lol other than having blond hair and blue eyes, what other criteria do you need to meet to play for the nats?

He clearly hasn't proven he can make a difference against Mexico or away to Canada, but I guess that doesn't matter when you have pretty hair and dreamy eyes.
goalsense
Samtom23
Post #145
Thursday August 13, 2020 11:09am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 426
Original post from bjelks

Lol other than having blond hair and blue eyes, what other criteria do you need to meet to play for the nats?

He clearly hasn't proven he can make a difference against Mexico or away to Canada, but I guess that doesn't matter when you have pretty hair and dreamy eyes.


I guess we can say there is some new rules to discuss.

First new rule-Per Bjelks a USMNT national team player must have blond hair and blue eyes and must be pretty. Glad to know, you find Morris attractive on a personal level but I thought his hair was brown?

Second new rule-he and he alone deems which goals count and doesn't count. So we can safely say per Bjelks that Xardes 6 goals and Arriolas, Weston's and Morris five goals don't count because he said so. But I am guessing that because Weston's feet touched European soil, I suppose they do count. But I am glad to know I no longer have to really on FIFA, officials and players when I can be in such an amazing force in soccer knowledge in Bjelks.

Bjelks- First question: if a soccer player puts European soil in their boots and score a goal, does it then count? Does a tree in the woods make a sound when no one is around? The second question;we may not know the answer to but you can rest assured Bjelks can enlighten us mere monda fans that have no previous knowledge of soccer before him and Brian Kleiban.

Second question: If an MLS player has to have blond hair (isn't Morris's brown again) then how does Xardes six goals count? Did Xardes put on white face and trick the referees? Is it a conspiracy because I swear I saw a black man score a goal for USMNT that went by the name Gyasi Xardes. Or is it that Gyasi is a bit of genetic anamoly, where he appears black but is actually white per DNA testing? Is this the reason Gyasi dyes his hair blond to fit in the obscure rules of racial profiles that Bjelks so enlighten us mere idiots about soccer about?

Third New Rule: You can score from the bench. This really didn't go into effect for the Champion League final. That is why Konrad didn't score but I have it on firm sources (Bjelks) that this is going into effect soon. Maybe in time for the next Barca match-up, when this observer believes Konrad will remain on the bench. Maybe next year, he can score from the pitch

Fourth New Rule- If Brian Kleiban mentions a player in a positive light. He is a lock starter. Doesn't matter if you haven't observed the player play in first team. If Brian says, it. It must be true.

blaise213
Post #146
Thursday August 13, 2020 11:15am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,126
I thought Morris was used as a LW and De La Fuente is a right winger ? Could be wrong

Samtom23
Post #147
Thursday August 13, 2020 11:28am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 426
Original post from blaise213

I thought Morris was used as a LW and De La Fuente is a right winger ? Could be wrong


Depends if CP is playing or not.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #148
Thursday August 13, 2020 2:33pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,581
Original post from bjelks

Lol other than having blond hair and blue eyes, what other criteria do you need to meet to play for the nats?

He clearly hasn't proven he can make a difference against Mexico or away to Canada, but I guess that doesn't matter when you have pretty hair and dreamy eyes.


That's the most ridiculous thing I think you have stated. Borderline bat shit crazy

hamsamwich
Post #149
Thursday August 13, 2020 3:46pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,388
The good thing is he is just posting his opinion about Konrad (and a whole bunch of other nonsense)- while at the same time the real Konrad de la Fuente does the hard work grinding away. In my mind konrad is to be appreciated on a different timeline and wavelength than what @bjelks would like and for different reasons. Just because this guy promotes Konrad as if he were his agent does not also mean that we can't like Konrad and appreciate his career arc and journey that are still pointed upwards. You won't ruin my fun @bjelks with this racial garbage. As was just posted, Gyasi Z (with a Z) Zardes is not of aryan descent. That was really bizarre.

Lilshmike
Post #150
Thursday August 13, 2020 4:07pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,455
Its well established that bjelks is an idiot...

And when brought irrefutable facts, statistics and results directly from his own sources that don't support his wild claims, and countless examples of how he either contradicts himself endlessly or his assertions are bunk... you can rely on him to always revert back to claiming racism.

Guys... I told you his wild crap was going to be short lived and to take it with a grain of salt. I said it in the Bundesliga thread and another just recently. Bjelks can't get out of his own way and continues to keep spewing crazy stuff.

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