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Dave
Post #16
Friday April 6, 2018 2:20am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 846
Original post from dfw_fan

Yes, if anyone deserves to continue(as a super super sub), it would be Dempsey, besides, I wouldnt mind sticking one to Donovan's goal tally.


I would agree with you 100%, especially on Dempsey, if it was for a competitive game. Unfortunately we don't have any competitive games of a good long while.
Dempsey, Bradley, Cameron & Jozy should not be in the team/squad during these meaningless friendlies. Their involvement in the team can be reevaluated when we have a competitive game.

bjelks
Post #17
Friday April 6, 2018 4:39am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 500
Can we re-evaluate Demps, Bradley, and Jozy when they move back to Europe and stop playing division 3 football?

Otherwise, minutes need to go to guys that are challenging themselves to get better...

Awarding players for taking the easy route hasn't helped yet and never will
goalsense
blaise213
Post #18
Friday April 6, 2018 8:31am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,545
Original post from bjelks

Can we re-evaluate Demps, Bradley, and Jozy when they move back to Europe and stop playing division 3 football?

Otherwise, minutes need to go to guys that are challenging themselves to get better...

Awarding players for taking the easy route hasn't helped yet and never will


If I ever see this guy in real time, a bottle of Jameson on me

Rey Regicide
Post #19
Friday April 6, 2018 12:38pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,991
Isn't Donovan our greatest player ever?

I mean, except for Dempsey, the "easy" route was not going to a pro team and then jumping off to Europe.

Bradley and Altidore didn't get rewarded. They were the best choices for the US with US citizenship. They were out of form. As much as you want to blame individuals, why can't you blame corporations for banding together, limiting opportunities, making poor individual talent in this country.

If the MLS or the professional leagues were doing there job there would have been 3 to 10 Bradley's to choose from. 1 to 7 more Altidore's. All we had were Wondo and AJ. AJ was hurt, and Wondo was born that way.

We had an aging Jermaine Jones (who was gold and played every game) and a couple more MLS'ers who had the potential to louse things up if given the opportunity. As well as the likes Alfredo Morales who wasn't of a higher quality regardless of his form.

I honestly don't understand this culture of bashing the individual, I truly don't. People do things for their best interest. "rewarding" is competing against amateurs for four years then getting "awarded" or "rewarded" a professional spot through a draft that is more apt to go to an Altidore or Bradley at 17 who's competed against men while in the academy and gone to the first team and earned minutes. Earned minutes.

The reason why the former happens is because this stupid system wants the cheapest labor possible. Cheapest ingredients. If Bradley and Altidore come back to earn more money, hey you guys are going to go down in form. That's on them. If you as the manager have NOONE else to pick that is of higher quality then we have a systematic problem. and it's not going to be solved by bashing individuals. At least not the individuals who don't own the rights to exclusivity.

hamsamwich
Post #20
Friday April 6, 2018 3:52pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,577
Original post from bjelks

Can we re-evaluate Demps, Bradley, and Jozy when they move back to Europe and stop playing division 3 football?

Otherwise, minutes need to go to guys that are challenging themselves to get better...

Awarding players for taking the easy route hasn't helped yet and never will
Id say we were short handed in the attack last time and had Dempsey been on the field we may have seen more of what a guy like Saief can do. Sometimes in order to evaluate the others, the players with the best skills and talent and vision (not always potential) fill those 2-3 spots. Saief desperately missed a guy who could interplay with him in the final third and with the exception of Pulisic, we don't have that guy yet. If he's not there, someone else with the vision to see the plays should be out there, so we can see what a Weah, Novakovich or Sargent can do. Without service it doesn't matter who plays.

@chrisBP- I'm all in on sargent who I've said already is on a track to be the best forward USA have ever produced. He's got everything in his locker.

bjelks
Post #21
Saturday April 7, 2018 12:04am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 500
We could've also used Julian green and joe Gyau to create instead of Delgado and Nagbe.
And Morales instead of Trapp.
goalsense
cudevil
Post #22
Saturday April 7, 2018 3:06am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 587
Original post from bjelks

I'd say Julian green and Terrance Boyd are both more talented and playing at a higher level than Jozy.
If AJ could just get healthy, he's the most quality forward we have.


AJ, sure, maybe. The other 2? LOL.

hamsamwich
Post #23
Saturday April 7, 2018 12:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,577
The ship has sailed on Alfredo Morales he's not good enough. And Gyau, well, he's yesterday's player. Too bad he got injured his career hasn't recovered. As for Green, I've always backed the kid but it's not like he's tearing up the 2 Bund.

bjelks
Post #24
Saturday April 7, 2018 3:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 500
Lol will someone please explain to me how the ship has sailed on Morales when hes 27 and started in the Bundesliga last yr but Trapp is 25 in mls with no Bundesliga prospects and is considered a future natl team prospect?
How the heck can Roldan consistently be trash and get call ups but Morales who played in Bundesliga last yr isnt good enough for a call up?
And that Delgado kid is scared shitless but because Gyau isn't leading scorer in Bundesliga 2 so
he doesn't deserve a shot lol.

We gotta stop evaluating brown and black players differently.
goalsense
stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #25
Saturday April 7, 2018 3:14pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 218
Original post from bjelks

Lol will someone please explain to me how the ship has sailed on Morales when hes 27 and started in the Bundesliga last yr but Trapp is 25 in mls with no Bundesliga prospects and is considered a future natl team prospect?
How the heck can Roldan consistently be trash and get call ups but Morales who played in Bundesliga last yr isnt good enough for a call up?
And that Delgado kid is scared shitless but because Gyau isn't leading scorer in Bundesliga 2 so
he doesn't deserve a shot lol.

We gotta stop evaluating brown and black players differently.


I agree and disagree with your comments. Morales should be called in due to the fact he does play in a good league. However, although he get to play much he didn't really light it up with the Nats-But I am all for calling him in.

I am all for gyau getting called in

I am all for Green I have been calling for him to be brought in for a while. In fact, he could be very valuable for us. Everytime he plays for us he shows well, alot of skill-he should be getting mins for us.

I also agree with you re Roldan, I just don't see it and do not understand everyones attraction to him.

I disagree with Trapp, he showed well, not saying he should start but he could be a reliable depth for us.

I also disagree it being about race, it has nothing to do with someones color- it is just about US soccer incompetence.
Stoked
cudevil
Post #26
Saturday April 7, 2018 3:36pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 587
Original post from bjelks

Lol will someone please explain to me how the ship has sailed on Morales when hes 27 and started in the Bundesliga last yr but Trapp is 25 in mls with no Bundesliga prospects and is considered a future natl team prospect?
How the heck can Roldan consistently be trash and get call ups but Morales who played in Bundesliga last yr isnt good enough for a call up?
And that Delgado kid is scared shitless but because Gyau isn't leading scorer in Bundesliga 2 so
he doesn't deserve a shot lol.

We gotta stop evaluating brown and black players differently.


You're super good with straw men.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #27
Saturday April 7, 2018 8:41pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,459
Gyau is in Bundesliga 3 not 2.

bjelks
Post #28
Saturday April 7, 2018 9:07pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 500
So Gyau is playing in a league on par with MLS and he's playing on a team that Trapp, Roldan, and Delgado could potentially start for.
Morales is playing on a team that those 3 couldn't,
goalsense
chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #29
Saturday April 7, 2018 11:07pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,363
Ham, I agree. It is a shame he can't get some sub minutes for his club first team due to contract limitations. He's the real deal. I'm counting the minutes until we can see Pulisic underneath Sargent up top for the nats.

hamsamwich
Post #30
Sunday April 8, 2018 12:48pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,577
It's hard to say he's better than Pulisic (at that talent level it's a matter of choice or opinion).... but Sargent gives USA what they haven't had: McBride was that CF, Dempsey wasn't really a CF, neither was Clint Mathis, and back to Altidore who doesn't have the pace to get in behind.

Sargent ticks all those boxes and is that #9 USA needs. I'd call him in and start him for these friendlies.

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