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tylercocinas
Post #46
Friday February 16, 2018 8:53pm

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Original post from blaise213

Greetings from Amsterdam

- Johannsson -
- Pulisic - Tillman -
Amon -Willams- Saief -
Robinson - Brooks - Miazga - Yedlin
- Steffen -


Blaise you must be toking some of that Amsterdam cause I somehow agree with the vast majority of this lineup

bjelks
Post #47
Friday February 16, 2018 10:16pm

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But those Bundesliga 2 guys have fought for a place in Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 sides and earned minutes over better players fighting for promotion and transfers to bigger clubs.
Morris plays in a league that considers Wondo, Beckerman, Zusi, Alan Gordon good players smh.
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cudevil
Post #48
Friday February 16, 2018 10:32pm

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Original post from bjelks

But those Bundesliga 2 guys have fought for a place in Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 sides and earned minutes over better players fighting for promotion and transfers to bigger clubs.
Morris plays in a league that considers Wondo, Beckerman, Zusi, Alan Gordon good players smh.


And that league with Wondo, etc. is better, on average, than 2.Bundesliga. Who cares if they "fought for a place in the Bundesliga"? They aren't there now and aren't trending towards getting back there any time soon. If we are going to talk about what happened in the player's past, then we can say Bradley "fought for a place in a Bundesliga and Seria A side and earned minutes over better players" or that Altidore "fought for a place in the Eresdivisie and the Prem".

bjelks
Post #49
Friday February 16, 2018 11:32pm

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Lol, I need to know who outside of American fanboys said MLS is better than championship or Bundesliga 2. Who's a credible international source that believes this?

Boyd and Green could be back in Bundesliga 1 next yr.
What Bundesliga or premier teams are rumored to sign and play Bradley, Morris, Wondo next yr?

At the very least, Bundesliga 2 and championship players know how to fight for a spot.

Morris has benefitted from a prejudice/ bias system.
goalsense
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #50
Friday February 16, 2018 11:35pm

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Who is saying those players are good players? The league? There has been literally EPL players and Bundesliga, and La Liga players, and Serie A players who have come to MLS and shit the bed and run back to Europe with in 6 months.

bjelks
Post #51
Saturday February 17, 2018 1:57am

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MLS is where European players come to coast and retire.
Italy's manager Gian Piero Ventura said and I quote, "when you make a certain choice and go to play in certain leagues, you do so taking it into account that they could pay consequences from a footballing viewpoint" in response to Giavinco's omission from Italian natl team during the last cycle.
This was after he was named mls MVP. MLS is a joke to the world and we gotta face it. Ventura later said playing in league like this weakens your mentality from a footballing stand pt.

We need a GM and Manager that understand this.

MLS should be used as a development league for young players. Pro/Rel are bust.
goalsense
cudevil
Post #52
Saturday February 17, 2018 4:15pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from bjelks

Lol, I need to know who outside of American fanboys said MLS is better than championship or Bundesliga 2. Who's a credible international source that believes this?

Boyd and Green could be back in Bundesliga 1 next yr.
What Bundesliga or premier teams are rumored to sign and play Bradley, Morris, Wondo next yr?

At the very least, Bundesliga 2 and championship players know how to fight for a spot.

Morris has benefitted from a prejudice/ bias system.


You are nuts if you don't think the MLS is on par with most second division leagues.

You want to bet that neither Boyd or Green is in the Bundesliga next year?

Christ, I'm not even a fan of the MLS, but your arguments are so bad I have to defend it.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #53
Saturday February 17, 2018 5:38pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from bjelks

MLS is where European players come to coast and retire.
Italy's manager Gian Piero Ventura said and I quote, "when you make a certain choice and go to play in certain leagues, you do so taking it into account that they could pay consequences from a footballing viewpoint" in response to Giavinco's omission from Italian natl team during the last cycle.
This was after he was named mls MVP. MLS is a joke to the world and we gotta face it. Ventura later said playing in league like this weakens your mentality from a footballing stand pt.

We need a GM and Manager that understand this.

MLS should be used as a development league for young players. Pro/Rel are bust.


Oh you mean the Italian coach who couldn't qualify Italy for the WC? The Italian side who was fullof Serie A players? Giovinco was better than all of their attacking options. C'mon man your argument is to easy to bat away.

bjelks
Post #54
Saturday February 17, 2018 7:32pm

Joined Nov 2012
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No one has answered my initial question about who is a respected intl source that speaks higher of mls than championship or bunde 2...

I can't bet that Boyd or Green will be in Bundesliga next year but by world standards they are on a better platform to transfer to 1st division in Europe than Morris or Sapong.

Although Giovinco is quality, much more quality than Wondo, Morris, Jozy, he ruined his reputation with Italian federation by not staying in Italy and fighting for a spot. It is perceived as weak minded and cherry picking. To the pt, that Italy doesn't respect his accomplishments in mls.

It adds insult to injury that he was not picked and they still didn't qualify.
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dolcem
Post #55
Saturday February 17, 2018 11:12pm

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Deandre Yedlin was one of the best products to come out of the MLS in recent years.

He is a lower-tier EPL fullback. If Newcastle gets relegated (likely), he'll be playing Championship football next year. He's not one of these players that's too good for the Championship and so will get bought by a Premiership club.

How many American MLS players would see time int he Premiership? Remember when one of the MLS's best young talents, Eddie Johnson, went down in history as one of the worst Premier League players ever?

The Championship sends three teams to the Premiership ever season, full of about 25 players each. That means 33 starters a year, and usually, two of those three teams stays up. So the Championship produces about 20 EPL starters per season (and ends up with about 33 players who played in the Premiership the season before).

MLS is nowhere near those numbers. Now we might have some really good foreign players sprinkled on top, but the base of the league is probably closer to League One in terms of talent. And that's not even to mention the coaches...Championship managers are in close contact with managers and players that have played in the Premier League. No American manager ever coached or played with/against anyone near that level. And they grew up in an era when there wasn't even soccer on TV.
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bjelks
Post #56
Sunday February 18, 2018 12:19am

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Preach @dolcem
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cudevil
Post #57
Sunday February 18, 2018 8:52pm

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Dolcem...some of the points you raise are valid. However, something that you leave out is that English work permit requirements make it damn near impossible for the bulk of MLS players to be considered for any English domestic league. It's nowhere near an apples to apples comparison.

Because of that, no conclusion can be drawn that MLS is closer to League One. I can see from watching both that while an MLS team wouldn't be in a promotion battle, most would be in the middle of the pack.

dolcem
Post #58
Monday February 19, 2018 1:07pm

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Original post from cudevil

Dolcem...some of the points you raise are valid. However, something that you leave out is that English work permit requirements make it damn near impossible for the bulk of MLS players to be considered for any English domestic league. It's nowhere near an apples to apples comparison.

Because of that, no conclusion can be drawn that MLS is closer to League One. I can see from watching both that while an MLS team wouldn't be in a promotion battle, most would be in the middle of the pack.


But the same applies for any of the other top five leagues in Europe. The 2. Bundesliga produces two dozen or so Bundesliga caliber players every year. The MLS produces maybe one every two years or so. The 2. Bundesliga produces 1-2 Bundesliga managers per year, the MLS has yet to produce a manager good enough to coach there. I could go on.
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cudevil
Post #59
Monday February 19, 2018 6:14pm

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Original post from dolcem

But the same applies for any of the other top five leagues in Europe. The 2. Bundesliga produces two dozen or so Bundesliga caliber players every year. The MLS produces maybe one every two years or so. The 2. Bundesliga produces 1-2 Bundesliga managers per year, the MLS has yet to produce a manager good enough to coach there. I could go on.


I don't really care about the manager angle.

And just because an MLS couldn't compete for promotion, doesn't mean they'd be run off the field week in/week out.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #60
Wednesday February 21, 2018 8:56pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Here is a potential starting 11:

---Morris---
Amon--Pulisic--Johannsson
--Mckennie-Adams--
Chandler-Brooks-Miazga-Yedlin
----Hamid---

We will see if both Brooks and Mckennie are healthy by then.

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