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cudevil
Post #256
Thursday March 29, 2018 9:36pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 587
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Regarding Saief, in that line up, how many options do we have to unbalance the opposing defense and make them make tough decisions... no one. As the game went on Wood was off his game...Nagbe will not stress the D...non-factor. Adams made a great run out of the midfield, but there was no sustained attacking pressure from our centermids.

I think Saief was asked to be the guy to stress the D, essentially he was trying to do a lot on his own...trying to make something happen...trying sh*t, but if the opposing defense only has to focus on one guy it is easy to send extra help to shut that down and scrape the ball off him...which was the case after they realized Saief had the ability to cause a little trouble.

If you take Saief out of the role and context, where he is not the sole focal point of the D, then you most likely see a smart player who can read the game and combine well with others. He was trying to do too much on his own against Paraguay, but with other viable attacking options on the field, he could have less defensive attention and time and space to get stuff done. I like his technical ability...definitely a keeper in my mind...plus he's a lefty. I wouldn't mind if he permanently took Nagbe's spot on the roster.


I get your point, but at the same time, outside of one run, I don't recall him generating any chances. And while the offense overall wasn't as sharp as you'd like to see, there were some chances created. Villafana was more dangerous.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #257
Thursday March 29, 2018 10:05pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,363
I'd have to see the game again, but he was drawing a lot of attention whenever he committed to go at defenders. I just recall him getting doubled or fouled most of the time. There was no other attacking focal point. So basically he wasn't good enough to routinely beat a double team...which puts him in the same boat as everybody else except possibly Pulisic. We need to see him in multiple games to get a better assessment. Imo, he is a solid left sided choice for the roster.

cudevil
Post #258
Thursday March 29, 2018 10:23pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 587
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

I'd have to see the game again, but he was drawing a lot of attention whenever he committed to go at defenders. I just recall him getting doubled or fouled most of the time. There was no other attacking focal point. So basically he wasn't good enough to routinely beat a double team...which puts him in the same boat as everybody else except possibly Pulisic. We need to see him in multiple games to get a better assessment. Imo, he is a solid left sided choice for the roster.


Maybe I am misremembering, but I don't recall Paraguay giving Saeif any particular attention.

db707
Post #259
Thursday March 29, 2018 11:51pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 461
Original post from bjelks

Before Saief's injury, he was scoring in the knockout stages of the champions league.
Who else in our pool has scored in the knockout stages of champions league as of late?


When did Saief score in the knockout stages of the Champions League?

Dave
Post #260
Friday March 30, 2018 2:07am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 846
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Regarding Saief, in that line up, how many options do we have to unbalance the opposing defense and make them make tough decisions... no one. As the game went on Wood was off his game...Nagbe will not stress the D...non-factor. Adams made a great run out of the midfield, but there was no sustained attacking pressure from our centermids..


I agree with much of what you're saying. I'm not completely sold on Saief, but there were enough instances (flashes) that I want to see more of what he's capable of doing. The May/June friendlies should be a great opportunity to see if Saief can build some chemistry with Pulisic and the rest of what could be the core of the 2022 squad.
I want to see us go with a 4-2-3-1....

----------------TBD--------------
--Saief--------Pulisic----------Weah----
-------McKennie------Adams----------
-Robinson-----Miazga-----CCV------Yedlin--
--------------Steffen---------------

I'm not sure who's even in consideration at the striker position at this point. No-one's really impressed lately, and it's likely too soon for Sargent or Novakovich.
Right Winger there are some potential candidates....Arriola, Green, Scott, Gooch, Taitague, but again no-one has really stepped forward to stake their claim (Yet).

Now if someone steps up to challenge Pulisic as the Creative CM (Parks/Scott) than we could shift Pulisic to the right side.

Alternates/Bench: D. Acosta, K. Acosta, Brooks, EPB, Moore, Parks, Mannah/Amon

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #261
Friday March 30, 2018 3:15am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 218
Just getting home from vacation. Here are some thoughts on the game I only watched the 1st 45 (seem to mirror what has already been said)

1. Biggest Loser our Head Coach-no clue what his thought process was for the lineup or the subs-

2. Adams can be a regular for us for a while, does need to go overseas to a smaller club and he will really develop. might not be world class, but he can special for us.

3. No need for us to play Villafana, Yedlin, Wood should have played 45

4. Nagbe just doesn't have it on the international level-he has the skill to be one of our best, its just the mental part, he doesn't seem to be able to fit in for extended periods of time,

5. Saief- I have been asking to see him for a while. Honestly I was a bit let down. He looked slow. He does have technique and looks to be someone to have come on in the 60th or so. maybe interesting to try him at CAM but for all his skill he seemed slow.

6. The mls mids played well. Im not saying they should start but I wouldn't mind them being called in to build some experience we could use the depth

7. hope to see more of Weah, Sargent, Green, Nova, maybe even Carleton, soon

Lets get a new coach or a GM asap -horrible to use subs that way at this stage in the rebuild
Stoked
chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #262
Friday March 30, 2018 7:06am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,363
Sarachan didn't sub because in his mind he's auditioning for the permanent job.

I think Bshred had a piece at ASN that basically said if we had a proper GM in place he wouldn't have allowed Sarachan to lose the plot and try to pad his resume. Completely agree.

Really terrible to not see Robinson, Shaq and EPB get at least 30 min. I really wanted to see EPB get a run out at Dmid in front of Miazga and CCV.

I'm counting the minutes until Sarachan is gone.

Rey Regicide
Post #263
Friday March 30, 2018 12:45pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,991
however way you look at Tata Martino, you have to at least accept that he is an international/top flight manager. Something the United States NEVER had. And of all the MLS coaches/managers, he would have to be the most decorated.

His ONLY high profile acquisition of US talent was Darlington Nagbe.

discuss, I would love to hear your thoughts on this

Rey Regicide
Post #264
Friday March 30, 2018 12:46pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,991
He also has Nagbe playing in central mid

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #265
Friday March 30, 2018 6:17pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 218
Original post from Rey Regicide

however way you look at Tata Martino, you have to at least accept that he is an international/top flight manager. Something the United States NEVER had. And of all the MLS coaches/managers, he would have to be the most decorated.

His ONLY high profile acquisition of US talent was Darlington Nagbe.

discuss, I would love to hear your thoughts on this


He is a good coach and understands what and who would work within his system in THIS league.

Being a good or great MLS player doesn't mean you will be a good or great National team player.

If I was an mls coach-I would want Wondo on my team, I would want Jason Kries, etc

I hope Tata is our coach but whoever it is we need Strachan out of there ASAP to use the subs the way he did was criminal
Stoked
chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #266
Friday March 30, 2018 8:49pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,363
I think Martino would be a solid choice for coach.

But...

I don't understand bringing Nagbe into his central midfield, unless he has something completely different in mind as a rebuild. PLugging Nagbe into his current line up just slows them down and make them extremely vulnerable defensively, especially on the counter. I beleive they lost Carmona, which compounds the problem. They are a beautiful quick attacking side with Almiron...Nagbe gums it all up. Really a head scratcher for me...

Rey Regicide
Post #267
Saturday March 31, 2018 4:21am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,991
Or maybe what Nagbe provides in terms of possession is what Martino wants?

You have the knife in ALmiron, now the running game in Nagbe (to borrow a football term).

With the nats, you have the knife in pulisic, you don't have to have Nagbe in there, just wondering if there is room for us to accept players of a different tool set.

Rey Regicide
Post #268
Saturday March 31, 2018 4:26am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,991
I'm not vouching for Martino as a national team coach, I think he's a good coach, I don't think it would be beneficial for the US national team. His style of possession doesn't suit our team or personnel.

Just trying ot make the point that Nagbe is being played out of position. Adams can do the CM to wing thing because Adams has a go forward mentality, Nagbe is more of a live in a particular kind of space kidna of guy. I think he too was lacking in quality in our games, I got on here saying he needed to be benched for a more direct winger who was willing to take risks. I just find it curious to know what a person who is down on Nagbe thinks about why he's so valued by someone from a different level. Even Rodgers at Celtic says something, Rodgers is the guy who tried to implement a possession by zone style at Liverpool.

Kinda weird right? I remember Pulisic saying something like he would be on the bench in the MLS.

hamsamwich
Post #269
Saturday March 31, 2018 4:04pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,577
Nagbe just doesn't see the passes or plays in the final third but farther back in the field he can keep possession and get it forward to players with better vision. This is why Jurgen tried him farther back a few times.... he just doesn't tackle or defend well enough to play that role for USA. But for Atlanta? Sure, why not.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #270
Saturday March 31, 2018 7:42pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 218
Original post from hamsamwich

Nagbe just doesn't see the passes or plays in the final third but farther back in the field he can keep possession and get it forward to players with better vision. This is why Jurgen tried him farther back a few times.... he just doesn't tackle or defend well enough to play that role for USA. But for Atlanta? Sure, why not.


I agree, it is aggravating b.c he has the technique to be a really good player for us but can't seem to put a solid 90 in and doesn't really have a defined spot, although I could see him coming in late in games we are ahead when we need to maintain some possession and kill a game off, at this point we need to move on to finding other younger players-as it is now looks like our backline is starting to have good depth, and strikers, we need depth at CAM wingers, I think we are pricing together a good core now its up the the freakin coach to actually play them so we can see who from the young guns will can swim at the international level
Stoked
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