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cudevil
Post #241
Wednesday March 28, 2018 8:15pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Saief didn't deliver any good crosses that I recall. He had one run in the second half. He was average other than that. I agree with Lilshmike that he was totally out of position a lot of the time. When he and Wood should have scored, Saief was in the box on the entirely opposite side of where he is supposed to play. And if Saief can't play wide, his usefulness in the pool drops substantially, as he's not playing ACM as long Pulisic is around.

I thought Trapp was ok. I saw some limitations athletically and he needs to be more stout on the ball. The one thing I know is that he played the single best pass of anyone last night on that through ball from inside his own half. Even better than Delgado's (who I am not entirely confident intended the ball to get to Adams.

I'm still grumpy over the fact that Sarachan butchered the subs. We should have seen someone like Weah or Novakovich for an entire 45. There should have been 2 subs at 45 minutes; 2 more at 60; and 2 more cameos at 75. We didn't need to see Wood for as long he played (particularly when he was struggling-pull him at half after he scores). Didn't need to see Yedlin and Villafana for a full 90, even though they both played pretty well. Didn't need to see Nagbe as long as we did. Just complete garbage.

Know Nothing
Post #242
Wednesday March 28, 2018 8:55pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,383
Original post from cudevil

I thought Trapp was ok. I saw some limitations athletically and he needs to be more stout on the ball. The one thing I know is that he played the single best pass of anyone last night on that through ball from inside his own half. Even better than Delgado's (who I am not entirely confident intended the ball to get to Adams.


It was a nice ball, but if he had a left foot the pass was on sooner and the break would have been quicker and maybe produced something. Instead he took a few extra seconds to switch to his right foot which allowed the defenders to start to get back into position. Saief made a good run but the extra seconds it took for the ball to arrive made his task a lot harder since he isn't that pacey.

That is the biggest difference between the MLSr's and the Euro players...speed of play and recognition.

hamsamwich
Post #243
Wednesday March 28, 2018 9:56pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,617
Saief had a good left foot and technical skill but his field awareness was poor. As for the play by Adams- how is he not given all the credit? Name another USA mid who would make that run... and he rounded the keeper for a pk. That's a common move around the world. Come on. As for his development- I'm not sure what else he does until he is transferred. Red Bull's have given him the keys let's see how the year plays out.

cudevil
Post #244
Wednesday March 28, 2018 11:08pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 606
Original post from Know Nothing

It was a nice ball, but if he had a left foot the pass was on sooner and the break would have been quicker and maybe produced something. Instead he took a few extra seconds to switch to his right foot which allowed the defenders to start to get back into position. Saief made a good run but the extra seconds it took for the ball to arrive made his task a lot harder since he isn't that pacey.

That is the biggest difference between the MLSr's and the Euro players...speed of play and recognition.


In fairness, I think there are a lot of high level midfielders in top flight leagues that can't make that pass with either foot.

hamsamwich
Post #245
Wednesday March 28, 2018 11:15pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Steffen- keep. Very confident out there. Game needs work but someone needs to beat him out.

Villafaña- pass on. I would've rather seen Robinson, or anyone else.

Miazga- keep. Could've been a little cleaner but he reads play very well and is aggressive.

CCV- keep. Looks comfortable and confident. Dominated that big SOB from Paraguay.

Yedlin- keep. Locked down his side as usual. Should've been subbed out for Moore.

Trapp- pass on. He played well but could others do better? He's not a bad spot player though.

Delgado- pass on. Nothing he did that McKennie couldn't do better when healthy.

Adams- keep. All over the field, would like to see him with better players.

Nagbe- pass on. Great control of the ball, poor vision around the box. Spot player.

Saief- pass on. For all the hype he was underwhelming. Spot player, good left foot.

Wood- pass on. I like Bob Wood but he's a spot player now too. The #9 is up for grabs.

Subs: can't rate them really, although Novakovich should've scored. Poor coaching by Sarachan.

***so the keeper, three defenders and a midfielder. There is plenty room for new blood.

Spank
661
Post #246
Wednesday March 28, 2018 11:49pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 119
I see most of you mentioning that Saief was constantly out of position but maybe it was due to the instructions given to him by the coaching staff. Towards the beginning of the game i recall one of the commentators mentioning that Nagbe and Saief would most likely interchange. It was said that came directly from the coaching staff.

cudevil
Post #247
Thursday March 29, 2018 1:08am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 606
Original post from Spank

I see most of you mentioning that Saief was constantly out of position but maybe it was due to the instructions given to him by the coaching staff. Towards the beginning of the game i recall one of the commentators mentioning that Nagbe and Saief would most likely interchange. It was said that came directly from the coaching staff.


I don't recall any time that Nagbe and Saief switched sides. And I know the difference between players flipping sides and drifting infield.

Dave
Post #248
Thursday March 29, 2018 3:03am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 884
@hamsamwich - While I kind of agree with your assessments I think some were a bit harsh for such a limited sample size.
Players who helped their case. Still a little raw, but the talent is there:
Steffen, Yedlin, Miazga, CCV, & Adams.
Players who need more time to really evaluate them:
Siaef, Trapp, Weah Novakovich & Delgado. They didn't hurt their standings, but didn't really help themselves either. The sample size is just too small to tell what these players can actually contribute. Not saying that there aren't other players who maybe better options, but it's worth keeping these guys with the squad for the May/June friendlies where we'll hopefully be able to build more chemistry.

What I'd like to see happen for the upcoming friendlies is we build off this game by keeping many of the players from this squad, bring in some established guys, and add a couple new names....

GK - Steffen, Hamid, TBD
D - Yedlin, Moore, CCV, Miazga, EPB, Robinson, Villafana (no other LB at the moment), and possibly add Brooks.
M - Adams, McKennie, Trapp, Add Parks & K. Acosta
A - Saief, Novakovic, Weah, Rubin, Add Pulisic, Arriola, Scott, & Green.

This is the time to experiment. We know what we've got with players from last cycle (Cameron, Bradley, Nagbe, Jozy & Wood), so lets see what the kids can do after an extended time together.

navi8132
New York
Post #249
Thursday March 29, 2018 3:22am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,971
Lleget and Rowe have to come back in the picture. They are dynamic and effective at creating offense.

Rey Regicide
Post #250
Thursday March 29, 2018 2:29pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
From my understanding, Saief's position is to get somewhere and make plays. Saief dictates Villafana's movements, not the the other way around. If Saief is tight wide then JV has to be behind hm until he sees an opportunity. If he cuts in, he now has to account for Adam's movement (which was great throughout the game) and make sure that we're not too top heavy.

Know Nothing
Post #251
Thursday March 29, 2018 2:46pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,383
Original post from cudevil

In fairness, I think there are a lot of high level midfielders in top flight leagues that can't make that pass with either foot.


A few

db707
Post #252
Thursday March 29, 2018 7:26pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 575
Glad to see some balancing out of the Saief love fest. He's a decent player, showed some good things, some not so good things (turnovers, positioning, that placement free kick from way too far out). But if he was world class, he wouldn't still be in the Jupiler League.

bjelks
Post #253
Thursday March 29, 2018 8:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 588
Before Saief's injury, he was scoring in the knockout stages of the champions league.
Who else in our pool has scored in the knockout stages of champions league as of late?
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #254
Thursday March 29, 2018 9:06pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,617
That's sort of a point- but could he make it on the field at schalke, Dortmund, or Tottenham or Chelsea?? The two English teams I named loaned their players out, but certainly CCV or Miazga could start for Gent.

Saief showed some, now he needs to push on with club form and get to a better league/club. The Belgian league is decent but not a power league. That's the equivalent of lauding Hyndman for Rangers play but now he can't see the field for Bournemouth.

The biggest takeaways from the game for me was our defense including the very confident Steffen who is looking the part and just needs to keep playing. It showed me that our MLS guys and fringe European players aren't much different. Love to see just a little more skill and pace in the final third, but until Sargent is "ready" it will be more of the same mediocre forward play.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #255
Thursday March 29, 2018 9:33pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,378
Regarding Saief, in that line up, how many options do we have to unbalance the opposing defense and make them make tough decisions... no one. As the game went on Wood was off his game...Nagbe will not stress the D...non-factor. Adams made a great run out of the midfield, but there was no sustained attacking pressure from our centermids.

I think Saief was asked to be the guy to stress the D, essentially he was trying to do a lot on his own...trying to make something happen...trying sh*t, but if the opposing defense only has to focus on one guy it is easy to send extra help to shut that down and scrape the ball off him...which was the case after they realized Saief had the ability to cause a little trouble.

If you take Saief out of the role and context, where he is not the sole focal point of the D, then you most likely see a smart player who can read the game and combine well with others. He was trying to do too much on his own against Paraguay, but with other viable attacking options on the field, he could have less defensive attention and time and space to get stuff done. I like his technical ability...definitely a keeper in my mind...plus he's a lefty. I wouldn't mind if he permanently took Nagbe's spot on the roster.

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