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Lilshmike
Post #226
Wednesday March 28, 2018 4:24pm

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Main take aways:
Saief: Need to try him at CAM, continue to call in
Trapp and CCV: Should become regulars to get called in moving forward
Adams: Has potential, but need to identify what his role is because there are others who should be ahead of him
Steffen: Give more opportunities
Nagbe, Villafana, Delgado: Need to call in others before looking at them again
Weah, Rubin, Nova: Didn't have enough time to really show their stuff
Wood, Yedlin, and Miazga: USMNT regulars/possible starters every game moving forward

bjelks
Post #227
Wednesday March 28, 2018 4:37pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Do you think Trapp is better than healthy Danny Williams, Stanko, Parks, Scott?

I'm concerned his acceleration, strength winning balls, first touch, distribution are good enough for international play.

I think Adams is a 6 for the national team.

It really seems like the US Soccer media is punishing Saief for showing creativity and 1v1 skill.
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Spank
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Post #228
Wednesday March 28, 2018 4:40pm

Joined Feb 2013
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My question is why have we anointed Trapp as our CDM for the future? He was okay. He wasn't outstanding or amazing.

Also, why do the MLS guys get a pass for an average or below average game but Saief gets dumped on for not meeting whatever expectations some had of him. I personally thought he played well and has solid technical skills. Adams and Delgado running nonstop doesn't mean they deserve more time on the field or future call ups. Nagbe was again underwhelming and everyone is just seems to be okay with it.

bjelks
Post #229
Wednesday March 28, 2018 4:55pm

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I stated this earlier that Latin and Black players playing in Germany have much higher expectations than MLS players.

Saief was easily our best attacking player on the field. He created more chances and showed the most quality with the ball.

Delgado was too passive.

Adams first touch on that breakaway was bad and his second touch was was worse. Why didn't he have the confidence to finish in 2 touches? Because he plays in mls and mls players aren't expected to execute a play of that quality.

We're praising Trapp for working hard instead of asking questions about his quality and physical limitations. We've got to raise our expectations.

Villafana was also pushed around quite a bit and dominated in the air. He's just not strong enough.
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Lilshmike
Post #230
Wednesday March 28, 2018 5:02pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from bjelks

Maybe we're not accustomed to seeing world class wing play so we don't appreciate or know what to look for in one.
He was the only player that ran at defenders and beat ppl 1v1, he delivered dangerous crosses, his first touch was class, he was a threat to shoot from range, he played some clever through and long passes.

Trapp didn't do anything that an avg cdm can't do. I was concerned about his lack of acceleration, strength on the ball in 50/50 challenges, and sloppy passing out of the back.

If Saief was playing with more quality players with higher football iq like Pullisic, Mckennie, Green, Boyd Johansson, this would be a different story.

Sargeant and Siebetchu should get a run a forward as well

I have to disagree with Saief. Not saying he didn't play well, but the expectation was much higher. Didn't show much pace - important out wide. Wasn't great positionally - drifted middle too often then failed to quickly get back, displaying a lack of discipline. He looked tired and not fit enough to last 90 mins, probably because of that previous point. It looked like he was trying to do too much, which might have been asked of him by Sarachan or by his own doing since it was his first start and he wanted to impress. I don't know how he was a threat to shoot from range... when he wasn't shooting from range. He did take guys 1v1... and lost the ball more times then not or dumped it to a player in pressure. Playing with guys who have high soccer IQs doesn't matter if you can't keep possession or give the ball to them in a position where they can do something with it...

Given what Saief showed, some of his creativity and movement, I think we should call him in again but look at him a little more centrally.

Trapp looked confident on the ball and didn't make mistakes. CDMs aren't known for having great acceleration (Matic, Kroos, Busquets to name a few), so not a big problem. Multiple times the ball came to him in a tight area and he was able to keep possession and quickly release it to another player in space. He covered space great, and bailed out defenders multiple times when they were caught out of position. He blocked a clear chance that may have resulted in a goal. Confidence on the ball, keeping possession, staying disciplined in your position, covering defensively when defenders are caught out of position, and not making mistakes... I mean, thats all you can ask for in a CDM.

Not saying hes now a starter, but he did well enough to be regularly called in moving forward.

I don't understand your obsession with Sargent. Not saying he isn't good enough, but he should in no way get looks over any other forward in the pool until he gets first team minutes at Bremen... which won't happen until the summer at the earliest. The moment he starts playing first team football, yes, put him in the conversation. Until then, no.

Lilshmike
Post #231
Wednesday March 28, 2018 5:13pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from bjelks

Do you think Trapp is better than healthy Danny Williams, Stanko, Parks, Scott?

I'm concerned his acceleration, strength winning balls, first touch, distribution are good enough for international play.

I think Adams is a 6 for the national team.

It really seems like the US Soccer media is punishing Saief for showing creativity and 1v1 skill.

Ok, so Trapp...
  • At this time, I don't think Trapp is better than Williams, or maybe Stanko. But both of them are hurt, so who knows how good they'll be when they get back. If the WC was tomorrow (and we were playing), Williams is my starting CDM.
  • At this time, I think Trapp is better than Scott. He plays regularly and Scott does not. I get that Scott plays for Chelsea, but he has like 2 appearances. Nobody actually knows what Scott has to offer, because we haven't truly seen him play first team professional football. Because of that hes not better than Trapp at this time.
  • Is Trapp better than Parks? Idk, they are both CMs, but Trapp is a CDM and Parks is more of a CAM (although Benfica is looking at moving him to CDM). Again, same issue with Scott, he has limited exposure and experience professionally so its hard to say one is better than another. I would like to have Parks called in next time around.


Lilshmike
Post #232
Wednesday March 28, 2018 5:29pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 631
@bjelks
Adams did well, but again, I don't know what his best position is. That needs to be defined, because I think there are guys better than him depending on where he plays.
  • I don't think hes a 10. Doesn't suit his skills and we have guys that I think can play that position better (Pulisic, Nagbe, Green, Lennon, Saief, even Carleton).
  • You think hes a 6. Yeah, he could play there. But again, I think we have guys who are better CDMs than him (Williams, Bradley, Stanko, Kitchen, Acosta, McKennie, even Trapp)
  • I think he could be a 8, but again, I think we might have guys who are better in that position (Williams, Bradley, McKennie, Acosta, Hyndman).
  • He could be an outside back. He wouldn't start RB, but it may not be a bad idea to give him a run at LB.
I think he should be in the pool and selected somewhat consistently moving forward, but we need to define his role and position. He may be nothing more than a depth piece for us. Not a bad thing, actually a great thing. When we have guys like him on the bench it means we have some quality in the first team. Signs of progress.

bjelks
Post #233
Wednesday March 28, 2018 5:36pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I don't know if we were watching different games but I saw Trapp lose the ball or make several bad passes.
his discipline and positioning was great, but the end product was lacking.

Busquets, Kroos, Matic all play for teams that keep the ball much more than USA so they don't have to recover as much. Even so, they have much more acceleration and quality than a Trapp.
This team needs as dynamic a cdm as we can get so as close to Vital, Kante, Casemiro, Matuidi is what we need.

Regarding Saief, have ever had a left wing that had the ability to beat ppl 1v1 from the wing?
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Lilshmike
Post #234
Wednesday March 28, 2018 5:37pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 631
Original post from bjelks

I stated this earlier that Latin and Black players playing in Germany have much higher expectations than MLS players.

Saief was easily our best attacking player on the field. He created more chances and showed the most quality with the ball.

Delgado was too passive.

Adams first touch on that breakaway was bad and his second touch was was worse. Why didn't he have the confidence to finish in 2 touches? Because he plays in mls and mls players aren't expected to execute a play of that quality.

We're praising Trapp for working hard instead of asking questions about his quality and physical limitations. We've got to raise our expectations.

Villafana was also pushed around quite a bit and dominated in the air. He's just not strong enough.
I agree on Delgado and Villafana.

Adams didn't hit that not because he plays in MLS, but because he isn't an attacking player. You might expect forwards and attacking players who are in that position regularly to bury it... but then again, a LOT of those guys do the exact same thing (go for foul, penalty, and possibly keeper red card). That exact thing happens every week with confident players in quality leagues around the world.

Lilshmike
Post #235
Wednesday March 28, 2018 5:42pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 631
Original post from bjelks

...
Regarding Saief, have ever had a left wing that had the ability to beat ppl 1v1 from the wing?
Yes. Beasley. Fabian Johnson. Dempsey before he moved to CF/ST. Donovan at times when he played there. Gyau before injury. Shea had the ability, but hes been blowing his career.

bjelks
Post #236
Wednesday March 28, 2018 5:51pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 588
Beasley could run by defenders on a counter but couldn't stand them up and beat them with step overs and quick touches the way Fab and Saief can. Dempsey was great in the final 3rd running at goal to get a shot, but not as great creating a cross from the wing as a natural left winger.
Donovan could beat players from wing and deliver a quality cross but I don't think he possessed the technique Saief has.
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Lilshmike
Post #237
Wednesday March 28, 2018 5:59pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 631
Original post from Spank

My question is why have we anointed Trapp as our CDM for the future? He was okay. He wasn't outstanding or amazing.

Also, why do the MLS guys get a pass for an average or below average game but Saief gets dumped on for not meeting whatever expectations some had of him. I personally thought he played well and has solid technical skills. Adams and Delgado running nonstop doesn't mean they deserve more time on the field or future call ups. Nagbe was again underwhelming and everyone is just seems to be okay with it.
I agree with Trapp. He isn't our anointed CDM of the future. But he should continue to definitely be called in, looked at, and used. He may be nothing more than a depth piece, because we have better CDMs at this time. But thats a good problem to have and he could possibly take that position and make it his own at some point over the next 2 WC cycles.

None of the MLS guys get passes. Personally, I expected Saief to stand out and be our best player. I didn't think he was. The expectation = above average. The reality = extremely average.

Lilshmike
Post #238
Wednesday March 28, 2018 6:04pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 631
@ Spank
Expectations vs reality
  • Yedlin, Miazga: Expectation = above average. Reality = above average.
  • Wood, Saief: Expectation = above average. Reality = average at best.
  • Adams, Trapp, CCV: Expectation = average. Reality = above average.
  • Delgado, Nagbe, Steffen: Expectation = average. Reality = average.
  • Villafana: Expectation = slightly below average. Reality = average.


bjelks
Post #239
Wednesday March 28, 2018 6:34pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 588
Saief literally showed more technique and skill than anybody else on the field lol.
Adams has a good work rate and is on par with Yedlin to be our best athlete.
Lacks technique and quality, you can tell he wasn't developed as well as Mckennie and Pullisic.
Miazga and Vickers look like 2 young players that are signed to Chelsea and Tottenham.
Trapp looks like Beckerman 2.0 and a career MLSer.
I don't have expectations for players. I just want to see what they can do and how they can help the team.
goalsense
Lilshmike
Post #240
Wednesday March 28, 2018 7:08pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 631
Original post from bjelks

Saief literally showed more technique and skill than anybody else on the field lol.
Adams has a good work rate and is on par with Yedlin to be our best athlete.
Lacks technique and quality, you can tell he wasn't developed as well as Mckennie and Pullisic.
Miazga and Vickers look like 2 young players that are signed to Chelsea and Tottenham.
Trapp looks like Beckerman 2.0 and a career MLSer.
I don't have expectations for players. I just want to see what they can do and how they can help the team.
Technique and skill don't exactly make you a good outside winger. As stated, he was out of position constantly, wasn't great at distributing the ball in space for others, and wasn't exactly quick. We may want to try him in the middle because he had moments of creativity and some good touches, but as a whole, he did not show particularly well as a LM. Again, some of it may have been from Sarachan or himself trying to show on his first start.

If he says disciplined in his position, moves the ball faster, and maybe has a couple of fast guys around him who can overlap/make runs to create space who he can then distribute to, he could probably do alright at LM. That was not the case last night.

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