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blaise213
Post #961
Friday July 12, 2019 6:33am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,921
Original post from stoked3

The other guys need to be phased out or should have already been phased out.


Nailed everything on all points. Don't understand why US Soccer wants to hang on to the old guard and style of non technical players ? Not really sure what the F**k US Soccer agenda is... MLS must be running the show because a Tata or Jose Mourinho hire would feature maybe 3 MLS players at most... AND I'm not completely knocking MLS, there's some good kids coming up but the current roster is complete garbage.

Lilshmike
Post #962
Friday July 12, 2019 2:55pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,177
Original post from blaise213

Nailed everything on all points. Don't understand why US Soccer wants to hang on to the old guard and style of non technical players ? Not really sure what the F**k US Soccer agenda is... MLS must be running the show because a Tata or Jose Mourinho hire would feature maybe 3 MLS players at most... AND I'm not completely knocking MLS, there's some good kids coming up but the current roster is complete garbage.
I can see it now... US Soccer hires Jose Mourinho. In his first press conference, he slams the current player pool for their lack of quality and demands that Cordeiro and the USSF invest heavily in new signings.

Upon realizing that the international game is nothing like the club game (where Mourinho built a career on being a mediocre manager who got by because his squads were already filled with world class players and he had unlimited resources at his disposal to bring in even more), Mourinho claims he will accept this new challenge and is committed to qualification for, and success in, the WC - claiming he will rise the USMNT to new heights because of his resume as a manager.

Then, in a shocking turn of events 3 years into the job and the year before the WC, the USMNT becomes a flaming dumpster fire. Jose claims that his lack of success is due to the lack of transfers from USSF and publicly slams his players for their incompetence. Upon realizing that he can't just buy players from other national teams to strengthen his own, he attempts to back track on his previous statements in the media.

Shortly after, it is announced by Carlos Cordeiro that the USSF and Mourinho have mutually determined to part ways. The USSF brings back Bruce Arena for a 3rd stint, and due to our 4th place finish in the Hex, we are forced into a playoff for the last 1/2 WC spot against Martinique.

We lose to Martinique, Arena is fired for a 3rd time, and the USSF hires Caleb Porter to be manager...

Honestly, if Jose was our manager, thats probably pretty close to how things would unravel...

tjknowsall
Post #963
Friday July 12, 2019 7:32pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 436
^^ spot on but Martinique isnt a fifa team so lets make it Curacao

tjknowsall
Post #964
Friday July 12, 2019 7:32pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 436
jose mourinho is the most overrated coach in the world so i was loling

BG6
Post #965
Friday July 12, 2019 8:13pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 85
[quote]Original post from Lilshmike

Where Mourinho built a career on being a mediocre manager who got by because his squads were already filled with world class players and he had unlimited resources at his disposal to bring in even more

Except Porto wasn't filled with world class players and never had unlimited resources.

If you want to argue the game passed him by and he didn't evolve the rest of your narrative would be absolutely accurate but there was a reason he was wanted at big clubs. Reputation after carried farther than he deserved when he didn't adapt but to not acknowledge this because of recency bias I think a bit unfair

Lilshmike
Post #966
Friday July 12, 2019 10:00pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,177
Sure, the Porto win was pretty impressive, but after that he only went to clubs who already had the best players in the world and/or had bottomless pockets to shell out for new players. Most of his teams after Porto would have been arguably just as successful with or without him.

And lets call it for what it is... that Porto team was kinda stacked. Deco, Bosingwa, Ricardo Carvalho, Ricardo Costa, Paulo Ferreira, Hugo Almeida, Benni McCarthy. Its not like they were scrubs, he still had a solid team.

BG6
Post #967
Friday July 12, 2019 10:19pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 85
Original post from Lilshmike

Sure, the Porto win was pretty impressive, but after that he only went to clubs who already had the best players in the world and/or had bottomless pockets to shell out for new players. Most of his teams after Porto would have been arguably just as successful with or without him.

And lets call it for what it is... that Porto team was kinda stacked. Deco, Bosingwa, Ricardo Carvalho, Ricardo Costa, Paulo Ferreira, Hugo Almeida, Benni McCarthy. Its not like they were scrubs, he still had a solid team.


I made no claims they were scrubs. You were the one claiming however he only won because he had unlimited budget and the world's greatest players everywhere he went.

Not sure whether or not as well you can say inter would have been as successful without him, yes they were stacked but they had a hell of a season. .

Mou is a pompous a- and he didn't adapt after that and did become overrated but my issue was your claim his entire career was built because of deep pockets which I am not sure is accurate.

hamsamwich
Post #968
Saturday July 13, 2019 7:16am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,139
Amidst all this talk of McKennie being lazy etc is the fact once again the team transition defense looked suspect all game rotating back into shape and the coach was very indecisive about Weston's positioning all tournament. It could be there was some confusion in the message being relayed. And of course having Bradley as the holding midfielder is gonna fail defensively eventually. Two things though:

1. The passing range he displayed was "Bradley-esque" even in the final where you guys say he was thoroughly dominated. His teammates blew plenty of his chances all tournament none more glaring than the Zardes fluff.

2. This guy always is running the whole field are we really calling him of all people lazy? Seriously?

blaise213
Post #969
Saturday July 13, 2019 8:28am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,921
I think Mc Kennie is a decent player but relies on having better talent around him to succeed. You put a bunch of garbage MLS players around him and he sucks.

cudevil
Post #970
Saturday July 13, 2019 1:02pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 929
Original post from hamsamwich

Amidst all this talk of McKennie being lazy etc is the fact once again the team transition defense looked suspect all game rotating back into shape and the coach was very indecisive about Weston's positioning all tournament. It could be there was some confusion in the message being relayed. And of course having Bradley as the holding midfielder is gonna fail defensively eventually. Two things though:

1. The passing range he displayed was "Bradley-esque" even in the final where you guys say he was thoroughly dominated. His teammates blew plenty of his chances all tournament none more glaring than the Zardes fluff.

2. This guy always is running the whole field are we really calling him of all people lazy? Seriously?


Someone called him lazy? Man, I give up.

bjelks
Post #971
Saturday July 13, 2019 1:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from blaise213

I think Mc Kennie is a decent player but relies on having better talent around him to succeed. You put a bunch of garbage MLS players around him and he sucks.


lol he never sucks, but anyone will struggle if you ask them to do significantly more than everyone else and don't complement them.

Every game he runs more than anyone else, intercepts more passes than anyone else, makes more tackles and challenges than anyone else and drives from defense to attack more than anyone else. We're lucky to have him and if Gregg let him play dual 6 with Adams, you'd see the best midfield we've ever had.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #972
Saturday July 13, 2019 1:58pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from hamsamwich

Amidst all this talk of McKennie being lazy etc is the fact once again the team transition defense looked suspect all game rotating back into shape and the coach was very indecisive about Weston's positioning all tournament. It could be there was some confusion in the message being relayed. And of course having Bradley as the holding midfielder is gonna fail defensively eventually. Two things though:

1. The passing range he displayed was "Bradley-esque" even in the final where you guys say he was thoroughly dominated. His teammates blew plenty of his chances all tournament none more glaring than the Zardes fluff.

2. This guy always is running the whole field are we really calling him of all people lazy? Seriously?


Amen
goalsense
Benhamin13
Washington, DC
Post #973
Saturday July 13, 2019 2:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 35
Amen again. He is all over the field. The opposite of lazy. I would say the only issue I have with him is his temper. I am nervous he is on the verge of a card after every tackle or in retaliation.

hamsamwich
Post #974
Saturday July 13, 2019 5:20pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,139
It's just one of those things where if I'm looking for progress from the coach it needs to be true of the player too. None of the players look comfortable defensively. They are told to maybe press, maybe sit in a mid block, maybe do this maybe do that. And then there's the bull in the china shop McKennie who is basically JJ jr. I'm pretty sure he is being told where to go by the coach, who, to be frank, has had a rough time transferring his defensive message (odd because his attack plan got across but GGG was a star CB, weird..) to the players. And a big part of that is that changing of defensive systems and tactics in game. When a players natural inclination is to run and close down and you tell the guy to sit and hold his position a lot of the time, it can be confusing to said player about when to run and when to stay. I think with more time (and better younger athletes) the defense can move as a unit and stay positionally sound. But the team is a complete mess on defense and that's not a one guy thing.

camparkinson
Post #975
Saturday July 13, 2019 6:00pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 318
McKennie is a great #8, and would be even better with a real 6 like Adams. Playing next to Bradley forced him to play as a #6 while still trying to do the offensive role of an 8 which is why he got tired and was out of position at times...

I really hope we get to see Adams play 6 in September...

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