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bjelks
Post #946
Tuesday July 9, 2019 11:07pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I will admit Mckennie didn't have a good game. He didn't track his man through midfield like he should have. He ball watched and lost some duals in the midfield.

I do not feel that Gregg is setting him up for success the way he is playing him and with what he is asking of him.

I do feel like his best traits are his motor, ball winning ability, and defensive instincts.
This is why I think he needs to be in a dual 6 with a more mobile partner like the way France uses Pogba and Kante with a 10 in front.

And I do not agree it was Dos Santos for Mckennie thing, like I stated, Dos Santos didn't have to cover the ground or defend like Mckennie was asked so I can't say he outplayed him
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tjknowsall
Post #947
Tuesday July 9, 2019 11:09pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 436
Rn the mission seems to win meaningless games instead of the real goal!! We are hosting the mother fucking World Cup in 2026!!! We CAN NOT disappoint!!! We can show the next wave of players that the USA has made it.. instead we are playing players slightly better but 8 years older who won't be around. Soooo dumb

Samtom23
Post #948
Wednesday July 10, 2019 4:16am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 42
We will see how Gregg does next tournament. But hope he goes for a youth movement. Whether it be MLS or European Leagues.

blaise213
Post #949
Wednesday July 10, 2019 4:36am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,921
Next friendly XI

- Sargent --
- Reyna - Holmes -
Pulisic - Adams - Boyd
Robinson - Brooks - Miazga- Dest
-- Steffen --

db707
Post #950
Wednesday July 10, 2019 12:11pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 958
Original post from blaise213

Next friendly XI

- Sargent -
- Reyna - Holmes -
Pulisic - Adams - Boyd
Robinson - Brooks - Miazga- Dest
- Steffen -


Wait, only one 16 year old? This is not the kind of lineup we have come to expect from you. Do better. Also I thought you (at least in posting kayfabe) didn't like Adams.

bjelks
Post #951
Wednesday July 10, 2019 3:31pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Why would Pulisic be a deep lying midfielder?

Who is going to help Adams win duals in the midfield?

How did Reyna skip Pomykal, Mckennie, Ledezma?
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PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #952
Wednesday July 10, 2019 3:47pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 204
Original post from bjelks

Why would Pulisic be a deep lying midfielder?

Who is going to help Adams win duals in the midfield?

How did Reyna skip Pomykal, Mckennie, Ledezma?


I think he's just showing Pulisic wide

I'd definitely swap McKennie with Reyna and let him and Adams just boss it. I'm not sure I'm ready to let Holmes have the keys to the that role yet but we definitely need a creative force who can drift into the pockets and create unbalances under the striker and wide attacking players. No real defensive responsibility, just create.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #953
Wednesday July 10, 2019 4:16pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 291
Original post from Lilshmike

So let's get this straight...

Prior to the tournament it was all doom and gloom from the vast majority of those on this site. Fairly well agreed upon that Mexico is a better team than us and was going to win the tournament. However, as is typical, an emotional roller coaster ensues throughout the tournament with many having a positive outlook towards the end.

We go through the entire tournament losing one game (the final), score the second most goals (only 1 less than Mexico), having only conceded 2 goals in 6 games played (fairly impressive and the least of any team), and finish second (as was predicted) in a final that was a fairly close game where we were not clearly outclassed by a (admitted and accepted by almost everyone on this site) better team.

If you would have polled this site prior to the tournament on if this finish would have been acceptable, guaranteed there would have been a resounding response of it being viewed as a success.

But no... the attitude now is "burn it all down, bring in new blood, our coach is a disgrace, our players are awful, the entire US Soccer structure is in shambles, etc."

Seriously guys, give me a break. This is a joke. Its fine to get emotional directly after a game... but most of what y'all are spitting is complete and total nonsense. Put things into perspective, people.


Prior to the GC I said it should have been more about who played vs the result. I didn't care about our Panama game bc we at least tried something new, it didn't work but we had diff players and we learned something about those players and who was ready and who was not.

The issues I have with this GC
1. The roster-
2. the tactics
3. players used
4. players not used
5.subs

You can't get mad at posters on this site who support the Nats and want to see them win, but get pissed when we are down a goal in a final and we bring a defensive player. I mean in what reality outside of injury is the ok?

Why was Boyd on the bench.

Cannon played ok and we learned he could maybe add some depth. But we needed to see Lima who has played well against bad competition against a good team i.e. mexico.

I never buy into conspiracy, racist, etc but I posted a while ago that it seemed like if a dual national or Euro player had 1 bad game or half they would be dropped. For what reason was boyd dropped? It looked really good with the ball, sure he had a bad half in 1 game but if that is the standard. Zardes, bradley, traps, rodon, lovitz morris, arriola wouldn't even be able to be called into the u20 team.

So yes I am pissed we lost, if we lost, and played lima at LB Cannon at RB, played morris or lewis up top, boyd on the field. it would be a different story.

But we brought on Roldon, Lovitz, Zardes. Such a wasted app to try new players.

The other reason why i presume people are doom and gloom is GB is the one who made the subs and roster selection. Once he selected the roster, he needed better in game tactics and subs. So what hope do we have that
1. He will bring in different mls guys
2. younger players who are about to break out
3. make better subs in the future

We all want the Nats to win, it just seems like we are treading water and saying well at least we didn't drown so that is a step fwd. Everyone laughs but the fringe players would very much hold their own against some of GB A team guys.

So drop the mls duds, call diff mls guys, bring in euro guys, make better subs, and work on in game tactics, and or be transparent with the fan base and tell everyone why you didn't play boyd, why zardes is better than sergeant, why Arriola has a guarn. starting spot. Why Cannon over Lima, how was morris called in, why didn't you bring on lewis instead of a defender needing a goal.

For people not to be pissed you need either, improvement or transparency
Stoked
Lilshmike
Post #954
Wednesday July 10, 2019 5:04pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,177
Original post from stoked3

Prior to the GC I said it should have been more about who played vs the result. I didn't care about our Panama game bc we at least tried something new, it didn't work but we had diff players and we learned something about those players and who was ready and who was not.

The issues I have with this GC
1. The roster-
2. the tactics
3. players used
4. players not used
5.subs

You can't get mad at posters on this site who support the Nats and want to see them win, but get pissed when we are down a goal in a final and we bring a defensive player. I mean in what reality outside of injury is the ok?

Why was Boyd on the bench.

Cannon played ok and we learned he could maybe add some depth. But we needed to see Lima who has played well against bad competition against a good team i.e. mexico.

I never buy into conspiracy, racist, etc but I posted a while ago that it seemed like if a dual national or Euro player had 1 bad game or half they would be dropped. For what reason was boyd dropped? It looked really good with the ball, sure he had a bad half in 1 game but if that is the standard. Zardes, bradley, traps, rodon, lovitz morris, arriola wouldn't even be able to be called into the u20 team.

So yes I am pissed we lost, if we lost, and played lima at LB Cannon at RB, played morris or lewis up top, boyd on the field. it would be a different story.

But we brought on Roldon, Lovitz, Zardes. Such a wasted app to try new players.

The other reason why i presume people are doom and gloom is GB is the one who made the subs and roster selection. Once he selected the roster, he needed better in game tactics and subs. So what hope do we have that
1. He will bring in different mls guys
2. younger players who are about to break out
3. make better subs in the future


We all want the Nats to win, it just seems like we are treading water and saying well at least we didn't drown so that is a step fwd. Everyone laughs but the fringe players would very much hold their own against some of GB A team guys.

So drop the mls duds, call diff mls guys, bring in euro guys, make better subs, and work on in game tactics, and or be transparent with the fan base and tell everyone why you didn't play boyd, why zardes is better than sergeant, why Arriola has a guarn. starting spot. Why Cannon over Lima, how was morris called in, why didn't you bring on lewis instead of a defender needing a goal.

For people not to be pissed you need either, improvement or transparency
Not really sure what some of your points are tbh. The point I was making is that people on this site are irrational and inconsistent in their criticisms. Emotional roller coaster.

Recency bias and cognitive dissonance... look it up. When we do well - oh, things are good but they would be better if X, Y, and Z player were there. We do bad in one game - omg, this is terrible, and we wouldn't have lost if X, Y, and Z player were there. To be frank, you just provided a prime example of that with your statements on Lima, Boyd, and Lewis.

Lets be fair here, the starting lineup and tactics were fine for the most part. Morris did a good job and looked dangerous. He also has plenty of experience playing against Mexico - more so than Boyd. Maybe Boyd could have started and made a difference, but the reality is that at the end of the day... that was a non-factor in our loss.

The roster selected by GGG was pretty close to what our best roster would look like. Yedlin, Adams, and Brooks were all hurt. You take those guys, drop a few others, and we are complaining about what? Bench warmers? Guys who (in the grand scheme of things) are non-factors at this point in time. And remember to put things into perspective... there were a number of young guys who were unavailable because they were in the U20 WC. So how many young kids do you really expect for us to have in the tournament.

If people want to criticize the subs in the final, fine, I get that. I feel the same way. I thought Zardes coming on when he did was unnecessary, Roldan coming on for Morris was dumb, and using our last sub on a defender when we were losing by a goal was kind of ridiculous.

We had multiple opportunities to score in the both halves and couldn't put one away. Thats not on GGG, thats on the players who didn't bury the ball in the back of the net. We lost in the final, but overall performed well. Taking a step back, removing the emotion from the situation, and looking at our overall performance for what it was - this tournament went alright and we showed well. This was not an instance for everyone to freak out.

Can we improve? Yes. Are we where we want to be? No. There is room for improvement, sure... but people on this site are reaching for pitch forks and torches for legitimately nothing. This was a decent starting point for where we are going, and I can guarantee that throughout the course of the Nations League and qualifying, we will see a bunch of new faces. Jozy and Bradley will still be around, mark my words, but they (Bradley in particular) will be phased out over time. Thats what real coaches do. Its not "lets just put in a bunch of random kids and expect a result", its "lets slowly integrate them into the program and give them the opportunity to push people out". You think that a bunch of 20 year old kids who have very little first team senior football experience against grown men would have been able to handle the atmosphere of that final against Mexico? No way. They would have shat themselves.

Its premature to make any claims about us moving in the right or wrong direction. It simply is. As of now, GGG hasn't done anything to show why he isn't the right guy to lead the team... but he hasn't done anything to show he is either. As a result, we should relax and wait to see how things progress before freaking out about an admittedly expect result after a fairly decent showing in the Gold Cup.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #955
Wednesday July 10, 2019 5:33pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,113
I also don't believe for a second if we had just young guys and lost in the group stage or against Curacao that y'all would be happy. There would be moans and whines just as hard as you're doing now.

blaise213
Post #956
Wednesday July 10, 2019 6:01pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,921
Original post from bjelks

Why would Pulisic be a deep lying midfielder?

Who is going to help Adams win duals in the midfield?

How did Reyna skip Pomykal, Mckennie, Ledezma?


I think I read something where Reyna is training with the Dortmund first team. Pulisic would be a winger.

cudevil
Post #957
Wednesday July 10, 2019 7:45pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 929
Original post from EKneezy

I also don't believe for a second if we had just young guys and lost in the group stage or against Curacao that y'all would be happy. There would be moans and whines just as hard as you're doing now.


If our U20 team can't beat Curacao, then I don't think they are as good as we hoped. So yes, you are correct, we wouldn't be happy-but it wouldn't be because we played a bunch of young guys.

bjelks
Post #958
Wednesday July 10, 2019 11:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Actually, I think we could've won the tournament with this 11
-Sarg-
Boyd-Mckennie-CP
-Morales-EPB
Robinson(Lima)-Long-Miazga-Cannon
--Steffen-

All we needed against Mexico was more mobility and ball winning in the center of midfield, more quality on the wings, and more class at striker.
But that would be too impractical lol.

Regarding real coaches phasing out old players, Low from Germany told Muller, Hummels and J Boateng that their international careers were over after they were relegated from the Nations League lol.

But we have a real coach, so we're going to keep calling guys that have failed us before because of their experience failing I guess lol.

Actually Jozy failing to score is on GGG, because he picked him knowing his finishing isn't clinical and there were other options.

I'll also disagree on Morris being fine. I thought he was terrible. He didn't beat anyone, deliver a dangerous cross, or force a save. He was useless. He would've been more useful playing with his dog on his couch.
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stone88
Post #959
Thursday July 11, 2019 2:28am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,513
https://twitter.com/GoldCup/status/1148668288...

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #960
Thursday July 11, 2019 4:04am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 291
Original post from Lilshmike

Not really sure what some of your points are tbh. The point I was making is that people on this site are irrational and inconsistent in their criticisms. Emotional roller coaster.

Recency bias and cognitive dissonance... look it up. When we do well - oh, things are good but they would be better if X, Y, and Z player were there. We do bad in one game - omg, this is terrible, and we wouldn't have lost if X, Y, and Z player were there. To be frank, you just provided a prime example of that with your statements on Lima, Boyd, and Lewis.

Lets be fair here, the starting lineup and tactics were fine for the most part. Morris did a good job and looked dangerous. He also has plenty of experience playing against Mexico - more so than Boyd. Maybe Boyd could have started and made a difference, but the reality is that at the end of the day... that was a non-factor in our loss.

The roster selected by GGG was pretty close to what our best roster would look like. Yedlin, Adams, and Brooks were all hurt. You take those guys, drop a few others, and we are complaining about what? Bench warmers? Guys who (in the grand scheme of things) are non-factors at this point in time. And remember to put things into perspective... there were a number of young guys who were unavailable because they were in the U20 WC. So how many young kids do you really expect for us to have in the tournament.

If people want to criticize the subs in the final, fine, I get that. I feel the same way. I thought Zardes coming on when he did was unnecessary, Roldan coming on for Morris was dumb, and using our last sub on a defender when we were losing by a goal was kind of ridiculous.

We had multiple opportunities to score in the both halves and couldn't put one away. Thats not on GGG, thats on the players who didn't bury the ball in the back of the net. We lost in the final, but overall performed well. Taking a step back, removing the emotion from the situation, and looking at our overall performance for what it was - this tournament went alright and we showed well. This was not an instance for everyone to freak out.

Can we improve? Yes. Are we where we want to be? No. There is room for improvement, sure... but people on this site are reaching for pitch forks and torches for legitimately nothing. This was a decent starting point for where we are going, and I can guarantee that throughout the course of the Nations League and qualifying, we will see a bunch of new faces. Jozy and Bradley will still be around, mark my words, but they (Bradley in particular) will be phased out over time. Thats what real coaches do. Its not "lets just put in a bunch of random kids and expect a result", its "lets slowly integrate them into the program and give them the opportunity to push people out". You think that a bunch of 20 year old kids who have very little first team senior football experience against grown men would have been able to handle the atmosphere of that final against Mexico? No way. They would have shat themselves.

Its premature to make any claims about us moving in the right or wrong direction. It simply is. As of now, GGG hasn't done anything to show why he isn't the right guy to lead the team... but he hasn't done anything to show he is either. As a result, we should relax and wait to see how things progress before freaking out about an admittedly expect result after a fairly decent showing in the Gold Cup.


1. Morris didn't play better or offer more than Boyd. He did not earn the start over boyd. Boyd played better than morris or Paul A

2. The tactics we could debate but I would argue GB had a decent starting game plan for each mach but failed to make the in game adjustments needed.

3. Yes, Im pissed at the subs in a final. They are beyond amateur mistakes. a genius coach doesn't make 3 stupid subs

4. Sure GB can't be blamed for jozy or Ariola or Zardes missing goals but these were the hand picked people he wanted and put into that position.

5. GB stated goal was to win the GC, they didn't do that,

6. Your point about putting in 20 yrs that would shit themselves proves one of my points. You want to phase them in over time, well we are out of time-WC qualifying is around the corner. So we didn't want the guys to learn in a GC but "when" they can finally get a call up it will be during qualification and GB will say we can't play them bc they are not battle tested in big games.
You make my point by saying we played Morris bc. he had exp playing against mexico and boyd didn't. Thats a joke play the better player OR play the guy who will be needed and used in qualification so if they do shit themselves they will not do so in a really manful game down the road.

I hear you re high and lows but I said it before it is how you win or lose that gets people riled up. And say what you want about the 20 yr olds or sub 23s or the Euro guys but I would be they would be an upgrade over 50% of the mls guys on the roster. They may not be world class but I hope you can agree a guy like Boyd is a huge upgrade over morris/ariola-the guy can trap pass shoot and take people on with purpose. the other guys just kick the ball and "run fast" or someone like holmes is better than roldon, or milovich. I was reading an article about the fans in seatle were raving about this 16yr old kid who took rodons spot when he was gone.
I am open to seeing diff MLS kids get a shot, I think there are many who are better than the current mls guys, but since they are not in the system they get passed over,, we need forward thinking.

The positives for this GC for me outside of Mckinnie/CP/Steffan
Long-
Lima
Cannon
Boyd

The other guys need to be phased out or should have already been phased out.
Stoked
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