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Lilshmike
Post #871
Monday July 8, 2019 2:40pm

Joined Oct 2012
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So let's get this straight...

Prior to the tournament it was all doom and gloom from the vast majority of those on this site. Fairly well agreed upon that Mexico is a better team than us and was going to win the tournament. However, as is typical, an emotional roller coaster ensues throughout the tournament with many having a positive outlook towards the end.

We go through the entire tournament losing one game (the final), score the second most goals (only 1 less than Mexico), having only conceded 2 goals in 6 games played (fairly impressive and the least of any team), and finish second (as was predicted) in a final that was a fairly close game where we were not clearly outclassed by a (admitted and accepted by almost everyone on this site) better team.

If you would have polled this site prior to the tournament on if this finish would have been acceptable, guaranteed there would have been a resounding response of it being viewed as a success.

But no... the attitude now is "burn it all down, bring in new blood, our coach is a disgrace, our players are awful, the entire US Soccer structure is in shambles, etc."

Seriously guys, give me a break. This is a joke. Its fine to get emotional directly after a game... but most of what y'all are spitting is complete and total nonsense. Put things into perspective, people.

hamsamwich
Post #872
Monday July 8, 2019 2:49pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,110
I saw where Martino used Alvarez at CM, he didn't put him at RB and call Rafa Marquez in.

@lilshmike- berhalter the coach, he's not going anywhere. Like many said before the tournament, the process of his hire was very questionable. He is protected from on high regardless of result (which he said was the goal of this tournament, "to win" and why the Jozys and Bradleys were here) and so there will be no change of any type.

bjelks
Post #873
Monday July 8, 2019 2:53pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,203
The perspective is we could've won the tournament with better player selection, better tactics and better in game adjustments.

Also, we have 2 studs in Mckennie and CP who were arguably the best players in the tourney.

Also, most of us believed we could've coached this team to the finals with CP and Mckennie carrying.

The majority of us want to win at the highest level and we have a manager that is too conservative and too loyal to his boys to do that.
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #874
Monday July 8, 2019 2:55pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,110
How is getting to the final a success by the way? Super low bar dude?

At home, playing Curaçao and Jamaica? Those are byes dresses up as games.

People are upset that Martino outcoached Berhalter. We didn't interview Martino (who has already coached two national teams AND Barcelona), who had just won the MLS championship here in the good old USA! But I guess we didn't need to talk to the guy.

Again, 18 months were wasted so the ussf could hire Jay Berhalters brother, with no competition. And this is the result. A rushed process and a bad result.

So how long do we have to wait to complain again @lilshmike since you are the arbiter of fan reaction? I guess after a loss basically decided by the coaching decisions it's not fair to criticize the coach. I guess I never pick the best time huh?

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #875
Monday July 8, 2019 3:00pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,397
Im gonna have to go with Shmike again. You guys change your tune quite frequently, except for the anti-MLS radicals out there. I guess I respect consistency, idk.

Point is the team we had wasn't necessarily better than Mexico, although fully capable of beating them. We all know the differences between Tata and Berhalter - that much is clear. Losing by one goal to Mexico in a final that we could have won is not a collosal failure. It's not setting the bar low. You can take positives from the performance as a whole and still want this team to get better, and expect it to.

Need a new striker, Boyd plays, Adams isn't injured, Brooks is there, Pomykal or whatever youngster gets in there, and this game and team look drastically different. Pump the brakes y'all. This team will get better if Berhalter makes the right choices.

Lilshmike
Post #876
Monday July 8, 2019 3:05pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,145
Original post from hamsamwich

I saw where Martino used Alvarez at CM, he didn't put him at RB and call Rafa Marquez in.

@lilshmike- berhalter the coach, he's not going anywhere. Like many said before the tournament, the process of his hire was very questionable. He is protected from on high regardless of result (which he said was the goal of this tournament, "to win" and why the Jozys and Bradleys were here) and so there will be no change of any type.
So are you suggesting that US Soccer fire our current coach and find a new one?

You're clearly missing it. We don't have a strong enough player pool to where we can just throw in a bunch of randoms and get results. We don't have a high enough profile as a national team to attract super stud all-star coaches. And when we don't have the same high profile program and player pools as other (in many cases much) better nations... who exactly is going to be our manager and lead the US to world dominance??

Wake up man. The unfortunate truth is that we are exactly where we should be right now. Its a process and it takes time. We seem to be moving in the right direction, but its a long term view that needs to take place. Again, there is a reason that you and everyone else on this site are behind keyboards while others are in the locker room and on the field making decisions.

And no, throwing in a bunch of U20 reserve team players in Europe with little to no top flight professional experience (Sargent or any other random names that get thrown out on here) is not going to magically solve our problems and win us games. Not a single one of those kids would have won us that game last night.

hamsamwich
Post #877
Monday July 8, 2019 3:05pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,110
@fraser31- yes we know the differences between Berhalter and Tata. That's point.

hamsamwich
Post #878
Monday July 8, 2019 3:14pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,110
I'm suggesting we fucked up by not interviewing the guy who won our domestic league, who is more successful than our coach, who at the time said he was interested in the job...
Earnie Stewart said he's not a candidate because he doesn't speak English. Ok, where were the other candidates who did speak English?

I've said before I admired the way Berhalters team played at Columbus. That's true. I liked how we came offensively all tournament. But the second halves have been bad coaching, that's what happened literally all tournament. That's on the coach not the players, even if I don't agree with some of the selections it's fair to watch games and say, jeez, why all of a sudden are we backing off with a 1-0 lead? Why do we bring on center midfielders at wing and more left backs when we need to score? Gregg said he wanted to get more possession, and that's cool that's his choice as what to do as the coach. But it didn't work and again it's fair to criticize that.

Back to Martino he made simple adjustment with players on the field who had been blown past by the USA in the first half. And that's coaching 101. Maybe in a few years time Gregg learns to make better in game decisions. But all tournament they were weird at best, ineffective most of the time. But the national team coach isn't a learn on the job thing. Unless your Big Brother is your boss calls the shots in which case does it even matter if you learn on the job?

hamsamwich
Post #879
Monday July 8, 2019 3:17pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,110
We also could have hired Carlos Queiroz for example that's another guy who was interested. Supposedly Lopetegui and of course other Americans like Vermes who are more proven in MLS. But again none were interviewed.

Explain why it was good to not interview other choices even when there were 18 months to do so... that, sir, is why we "are where we are". The people who make the calls at the USSF. You still haven't explained why we should all trust their decision making... Ive been asking that for months you never give an answer.

Lilshmike
Post #880
Monday July 8, 2019 3:18pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,145
And just to be clear for anyone on here who may attempt to put words in my mouth, or spin things that I post wildly out of context, I'm not suggesting that there be no criticism. I'm simply stating that people need to take a long hard look in the mirror and understand the reality of where we are and put certain things into perspective without having their heads explode when things don't turn out the way that they wanted.

Personally, I thought the subs were ridiculous last night. Making the 3rd sub as a defensive player when we are down and need a goal seemed stupid. But who knows... we have no idea if Tim Ream pulled a hammy and signaled for a sub, or if Altidore's back locked up after he got dropped on in the second half, or if Boyd tweaked his ankle in training.

Assuming everything was fine, there were no injuries and everyone was 100% last night, the subs were very questionable. But again, we have no idea of what the reality of the situation was... and considering this was the first competitive test of our team since failing to make the WC and finding a new permanent coach... it wasn't a bad showing. We (objectively speaking) performed well and should be fairly optimistic until given a clear, non-debatable reason not to be...

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #881
Monday July 8, 2019 3:24pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,397
But that wasn't just your point. You point was suggesting that winning this tournament is somehow a given, that not winning this tournament with our current team and coach isn't surprising is somehow outrageous.

bjelks
Post #882
Monday July 8, 2019 3:27pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,203
Sarg, Nova or Wood would've easily put away one of the 1v1s or sitters Jozy had resulting in winning us the game.

The problem with the coaching decision is that we did not interview anyone else. If we had some higher profile public rejections, it would be a feasible excuse but that wasn't the case.

Playing Morales or DWill alongside Mckennie at dual 6 would've allowed us to win more duals and cover more ground in the midfield.

I haven't seen a public invite and rejection from Fab.

Timmy C even after an injured season is better than Ream, Lovitz and can play either midfield wing.

Our problem is that we don't demand more from USMNT management or our players, all players, not just the stars. Our management also doesn't take risks. We say things like this 19 yr old hasn't played enough Bundesliga games to compete with a 10 yr mls vet. We say things like this 29 yr old Bundesliga fringe player is too old when Bradley and Jozy are the same age in a lesser league.

At the end of the day, we need the 23 players with the most ability regardless of experience.
goalsense
Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #883
Monday July 8, 2019 3:30pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,397
Agree with your coaching ideas though, hammy.

Lilshmike
Post #884
Monday July 8, 2019 3:36pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,145
@Hamsamwich

Dude... don't start the entire debate on the coach again. Seriously.

But if you want to get into it... Look back on this site. I dare you, because if you do, you will see that I was actually one of the first (if not the first) people to call for Tata as our next manager. Again, you're not arguing the message, you're arguing the messenger.

However, to end this debate on Tata... he didn't want our job. If you are an employer looking to hire someone, do you really want to spend the time and effort to bring in and interview someone who doesn't want to work for you? No, absolutely not. Thats a waste of time and resources.

Contrary to what a lot of the media put out, Tata didn't want our job. I've personally heard from people who have knowledge of the situation that he was never genuinely interested in our job. Any public statements by him seemed to be pure gamesmanship on his behalf to stir up interest for other teams looking to hire him - you know, like what a lot of professional players do with their clubs. There were a number of national teams looking at hiring him, and Mexico made him the highest paid national team manager in the world. Yeah... sorry, we were never going to compete with that, so understandably he was not interested in what we could have given him.

We have a full time manager now in Gregg Berhalter (like it or not), so lets move on now from that debate.

cudevil
Post #885
Monday July 8, 2019 3:40pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 908
Original post from Lilshmike

So let's get this straight...

Prior to the tournament it was all doom and gloom from the vast majority of those on this site. Fairly well agreed upon that Mexico is a better team than us and was going to win the tournament. However, as is typical, an emotional roller coaster ensues throughout the tournament with many having a positive outlook towards the end.

We go through the entire tournament losing one game (the final), score the second most goals (only 1 less than Mexico), having only conceded 2 goals in 6 games played (fairly impressive and the least of any team), and finish second (as was predicted) in a final that was a fairly close game where we were not clearly outclassed by a (admitted and accepted by almost everyone on this site) better team.

If you would have polled this site prior to the tournament on if this finish would have been acceptable, guaranteed there would have been a resounding response of it being viewed as a success.

But no... the attitude now is "burn it all down, bring in new blood, our coach is a disgrace, our players are awful, the entire US Soccer structure is in shambles, etc."

Seriously guys, give me a break. This is a joke. Its fine to get emotional directly after a game... but most of what y'all are spitting is complete and total nonsense. Put things into perspective, people.


I watched most of the games. We didn't play well for most of the Tournament. The fact that we made the finals, scored the second most goals, etc., is only a testament to how crappy most CONCACAF teams are.

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