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tjknowsall
Post #526
Wednesday June 19, 2019 5:52pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 436
good win... love boyds willingness to run at defenders, something we haven't have players do much of ever... id like to see boyd and pulisic build off each other. I think we could see some great one-twos between the two of them. Hopefully Altidore can play next game or we might easily tie 0-0, zardes is exactly what everyone knew he was and it showed against semi-professionals... wish we had sargent... defense cant pass but i like lima...

navi8132
New York
Post #527
Wednesday June 19, 2019 6:13pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,119
I wanted to get me a Tyler Boyd jersey. Notice though that the USMNT played much better when they skipped the system and the methodical build up and just went dynamically at it. This team is gonna have to just end up ignoring the coach if it wants to succeed.

I wish Duane Holmes were there.

Pulisic has not yet figured out how to fit his game into national team play. He needs to find better ways to combine. He keeps trying dead end moves like slowing down the run of play going one v. three and when he does pass a defender he doesn't quite know who to give it to afterward and all the runners haven't figured out when is the optimal time to make a run when Pulisic does that.

I don't know what position McKennie fits into this team. It seems like anything you try to hoist him into, there are multiple reasons why he's not quite a good fit for it.

Know Nothing
Post #528
Wednesday June 19, 2019 6:14pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,683
Original post from Spank

No ones ever talking about the CONCACAF Champions League.


So it was just three US players on the field last night with Champions League experience then (Pulisic, McKennie, and Bradley)?

Lilshmike
Post #529
Wednesday June 19, 2019 6:25pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,261
Original post from Know Nothing

So it was just three US players on the field last night with Champions League experience then (Pulisic, McKennie, and Bradley)?
Oooohhhhh, so Bradley was the 3rd that bjelks was referring to?

db707
Post #530
Wednesday June 19, 2019 6:30pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,003
Original post from Lilshmike

Oooohhhhh, so Bradley was the 3rd that bjelks was referring to?


LOL.

cleancutimage
Post #531
Wednesday June 19, 2019 8:07pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,307
You know we are not a strong national side, if Zardes is our first team forward.
If there are 250 national teams and we rank them based on their top forward, then he has to be rated somewhere between 100-150. That is miserable for a national team that wants to win a world cup, let alone win a Gold Cup in a year that it is nothing more than a trophy and regional bragging rights.

bjelks
Post #532
Wednesday June 19, 2019 8:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,334
Original post from Know Nothing

So it was just three US players on the field last night with Champions League experience then (Pulisic, McKennie, and Bradley)?


There's a big difference between champions league talent right now and champions league experience lol.
A lot of players have champions league experience that will never play a champions league game again.
Bradley has experience, but obviously nowhere near champions league talent today.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #533
Wednesday June 19, 2019 9:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,334
Original post from navi8132

I wanted to get me a Tyler Boyd jersey. Notice though that the USMNT played much better when they skipped the system and the methodical build up and just went dynamically at it. This team is gonna have to just end up ignoring the coach if it wants to succeed.

I wish Duane Holmes were there.

Pulisic has not yet figured out how to fit his game into national team play. He needs to find better ways to combine. He keeps trying dead end moves like slowing down the run of play going one v. three and when he does pass a defender he doesn't quite know who to give it to afterward and all the runners haven't figured out when is the optimal time to make a run when Pulisic does that.

I don't know what position McKennie fits into this team. It seems like anything you try to hoist him into, there are multiple reasons why he's not quite a good fit for it.


We've tried everything except his best position, which is 6
goalsense
bjelks
Post #534
Wednesday June 19, 2019 9:02pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,334
Original post from Lilshmike

Oooohhhhh, so Bradley was the 3rd that bjelks was referring to?


Have you ever rated a player without US Soccer telling you what to think?
goalsense
Clarity
Post #535
Wednesday June 19, 2019 9:43pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 28
Watching Zaredes with his iron feet is so frustrating. Any deft pass to him results in a clank and dispossession. His selection is atrocious. Could he even play in the 3rd German division? At least try Wooten for goodness sake. Long to me is not serviceable. I'm afraid we will get annihilated by a good team.

hamsamwich
Post #536
Wednesday June 19, 2019 11:47pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,203
@lilshmike- You're right I won't let it go when you argued for Zardes now you want to say that Zardes is garbage. We all said that before. Now you're acting like you know what you're talking about. Zardes has always been a subpar option, just because you see it last isn't everyone else problem.

Novakovich should not be called ahead of Sargent nor should Wooten because they aren't as good. I guess you go by a different measure of a player than what you see but again don't blame others for using their eyes and logic to form opinions. You may not agree with the logic but it is logic: that these half talented MLS scrubs you think are better aren't because they aren't in a top league. To rephrase, if those players are so good why don't better teams want them. Bob Wood is a favorite of mine and so is the Midwest Novakovich (the only player there is an argument for besides Sargent). But Wood has bad knees and hasn't played or anything in forever and Novakovich isn't as good.

If it isn't a development tournament then why is Mihailovic (I must be his only fan at this point) there instead of a Sacha Klestjan or any more experienced option, like you say?

You've never answered the hypothetical of what would these marginal MLS guys do if in, say, Germany?? Would they have enough potential to ride the bench of a bundesliga club at a young age (Haji Wright, Sargent, Soto), would they score like Wooten at a lower level? Hard to say because they aren't rated as players and Germany doesn't have a weird visa thing like the UK does so it seems like most of the rest of the world calls it for what it is, whereas somehow people in America romanticize these players.

Many people spend many hours watching games, highlights, coaching kids, playing adult Rec, icing knees, going to the games, buying kits etc. we are soccer in America just like the national team which represents us on the field. Nobody is rooting for anything but the best for USA amongst the fans, of course myself included. We want to see passion and effort, let alone skill. But to just say that all these guys are the correct guys because the coach said so is kind of naive.

Just because you haven't heard of a guy doesn't mean he is or isn't good. But they could be. And people you may not like can also be right. Just like @bjelks has been calling for Boyd for what seems forever and you can't stand he may be right. I rarely agree with the guy but when he's right he's right. Boyd is a good player and is being scouted by good teams.

But why can't we have a difference of opinion among all us fans? I hope they do what I want on the field but I still support the shirt which represents all of us. However that doesn't mean blindly supporting the ussf... I'll answer my question from before I asked you: You've got the wool over your eyes (you believe the stuff don garner I mean jay Berhalter I mean Carlos cordeiro I mean Gregg Berhalter, the insiders tell you, whatever it is). Many other people don't like what has gone on the past few years and on into the Berhalter hiring. Instead of change we got an "It's all good" from Sunil or his way out as he passed the torch to Cordeiro. And as time was wasted, the pressure increased to get it right. The reason @2tone why some of us aren't giving Berhalter all this time through the World Cup process is because he and the ussf wasted 18 months of time we could've used to prepare. So here we are, and there should be no excuses. Win. Beat Mexico. Show that Bradley, Omar and Jozy were the right calls and that we should trust in the system and future. Until the prove their worth none of these have earned any trust.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #537
Thursday June 20, 2019 2:40am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 851
Original post from bjelks

What I'm saying is, I can watch the game and tell you how good players are. I can literally look at players play and tell you who can hang in the Champs League and who cannot. Champs League level isn't meant to be taken literally, but you fan boys can't rate players unless Greg tells you they're good or not.
Shockingly you got your nose so far up Greg's ass you can't think for yourself. Not my problem.

We have 3 players on this team good enough to play in the Champs League right now. The rest are trash. Take it how you like.


It's just so hard to fathom why the US soccer federation didn't pick you for the head coach. I can't believe GB got it over you. You can look at players and know everything just like you do on these boards.

Dude, your so awsum

I am so lucky I get to read your insightful postings every day

tjknowsall
Post #538
Thursday June 20, 2019 4:11am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 436
i mean anyone that rates zardes ahead of sargent, wooten, weah, etc is just wrong imo... zardes has always been a bad choice and always will be

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #539
Thursday June 20, 2019 4:12am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,417
I'm Still not evaluating Berhalter until after the Fall Nations League games. Because that is when we will see the likes of Adams, Brooks, Pomykal, Weah and possibly Sargent and Novakovich. Won't be surprised to see Sabbi as well.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #540
Thursday June 20, 2019 4:20am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,417
Original post from tjknowsall

i mean anyone that rates zardes ahead of sargent, wooten, weah, etc is just wrong imo... zardes has always been a bad choice and always will be


Weah was never going to play in the Gold Cup. We have nevercseen Wooten play with the USMNT, and I get leaving Sargent off. He is young and didn't look good for Werder in the second half of the season and quite frankly didn't look good against Jamaica. He needs to put his head down and work hard at Bremen.

I don't think Berhalter sees Zardes as more talented then those players, but he knows Zardes weaknesses and he know Zardes strengths. I think a Berhalter sees Pulisic, Boyd, and eventually a healthy Altidore as his goal scorers. He knows Zardes will give everything, and to be honest I like those players.

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