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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #406
Friday June 14, 2019 7:39pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,387
Everyone may not agree with me, but I would take Bob Bradley back. At least his teams played hard and at times with flair. With how much more talent that is available I think Bradley would put together a very good USMNT.

tjknowsall
Post #407
Friday June 14, 2019 8:26pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 436
Bradley and klinssman are still the best two coaches we've ever had

bjelks
Post #408
Friday June 14, 2019 8:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Lol that's not saying a lot
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chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #409
Friday June 14, 2019 8:55pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,500
Only if he could bring Vela and Rossi with him...haha.

If we can get through the system growing pains with GB, we'll be good. He's a bright guy and good tactician...and just as demanding and tough as BB or Arena. Our top players have applauded and endorsed his detailed approach....it will just take time to get everyone truly on the same page...but we aren't really set up, even with the system to deal with bunkering teams. That is still a work in progress and the GC has come too fast to put anything in place...It will provide a lot of opportunity to deal with it...my gut feeling is our approach will look very old school late in the game against bunkering teams...target our CBs on dead ball situations to eek out wins...while GB works on something better over time to deal with compact Ds. The good thing about GB is he is flexible when something is not working...he makes changes fairly quickly.

I'm giving him a full year before hitting the panic button... but let's see how it looks in the knock stages of the GC...I think we'll see a focused team fighting hard.

hamsamwich
Post #410
Friday June 14, 2019 9:12pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
There's no indication that the players will pick things up.

The selected roster is for the system so changing anything will be hard. He doesn't even have three strikers.

I don't give him benefit of the doubt we should compete and win or at least make the final, I agree.

A lot of watch mLS and aren't convinced of Greggs choices anyway. It's all gotten sloppy and bad.

bjelks
Post #411
Friday June 14, 2019 9:14pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,291
Yea, Greg built an entire system around Michael Bradley and Will Trapp who are not impactful international level players.

Then he filled his depth exclusively with mediocre MLS players past their peak.

So far, he's stuck with guys in key roles like Zardes, Arriola, Roldan, Omar, Trapp, Morris who have years of evidence proving that they're unfit for the international level.
This isn't reflective of his flexibility or toughness on players.

And his top players love playing for him so much that they're faking injuries not to play for him.

The most frightening thing about Greg is he thinks his system is more important than the players in it.

Almost forgot how he told our most talented young forward that he's not better than Gyasi Zardes.

Greg has never won a trophy as a manager at any level so I dunno how he's a master tactician.

If we don't make it to the Semis of GC, we need to worry about the team going completely awol
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navi8132
New York
Post #412
Friday June 14, 2019 9:22pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,107
Original post from bjelks

Greg has never won a trophy as a manager at any level so I dunno how he's a master tactician.
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Because he talks a good talk. Greg talks extensively about tactics and complex systems and people like to hear that (at the time). Jurgen liked to talk about progress and innovation and people liked to hear that (at the time). Bruce talked about just going out there and getting results without regard to other stuff and people liked to hear that (at the time). So who will be the next charlatan who will tell the people what they want to hear at the time?

tjknowsall
Post #413
Friday June 14, 2019 10:27pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 436
I like to try to get our players with the highest ceiling on the field. The gold cup would have been great chance to take one or two really young players and brake through

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #414
Friday June 14, 2019 10:44pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,500
Who's faking injuries to not represent their national team in a major tourney?

hamsamwich
Post #415
Friday June 14, 2019 11:04pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
@lilshmike- I can count on one hand the times myself, stone88, bjelks, Blaise, 2tone, etc have agreed on anything. We represent a large cross section of the fans and normally we disagree on most things...

As the old saying in the room goes if everyone in the room is saying one thing and you're saying another- it's either they are all wrong or more likely it's youre wrong.

I don't disagree that's fans shouldn't run the team, but that's not the point here. Pretty much everyone from ex-players, the "soccer community" in America, fans... whoever. They all are seeing this one way and the coach sees it another.

Like i said before most people rated Adams well above Bradley and Trapp in the 6 role, to say nothing of other guys such as Russell Canouse... most MLS watchers and players and coaches and whoever else rate these guys ahead Bradley/Trapp based on their current MLS play. But Gregg is smarter than the rest of us so what does it matter if guys who are playing better are being left out (and that's domestically, to say nothing of guys who "graduated" from MLS already and are somehow behind the MLS guys... like if Miazga doesn't start over Zimmerman or Long that's just dumb). It's all a head scratcher to people who the MLS, let alone all the fans who think players from higher rated leagues should be above the MLS players. All very strange.

hamsamwich
Post #416
Saturday June 15, 2019 1:22am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
Also while we are it at- if both are fully fit I don't see how Morris doesn't start over Arriola. Morris isn't our top player but I think he would've finished off a few of the multiple chances Arriola blew last game. In my head if Boyd is crossing it into the box I'd rather have Morris there on the back post than Arriola.

cleancutimage
Post #417
Saturday June 15, 2019 4:07am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,307
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Who's faking injuries to not represent their national team in a major tourney?


Pretty much all the German-American dual nationals *snickers*

db707
Post #418
Saturday June 15, 2019 12:05pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 992
Original post from tjknowsall

Bradley and klinssman are still the best two coaches we've ever had


Bora's the most accomplished coach internationally that we've had. Coached five different teams at five straight World Cups and got all but China out of the group. We had a few legit players on that '94 team (Ramos, Stewart, Wynalda) but also some shocking mediocrity if you look back at it, so we definitely could have done worse than we did.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #419
Saturday June 15, 2019 2:19pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,387
What if I told McKennie is better as a six where as Adams is better as a ball hunting down 8. I'm not sold McKennie as an 8. He is much better when the game is in front of him.

hamsamwich
Post #420
Saturday June 15, 2019 4:01pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
@2tone- I mean I've seen him make some nice passes from the midfield to out wide or through the middle so it's hard to argue that's not true on some level. I'm looking forward to David Wagner coaching him up and seeing how that goes. Before then I'm looking towards this Gold Cup and hoping McKennie asserts himself with so few other personalities on the field alongside him. In a dual interview I don't remember with which reporter both adams and McKennie saw themselves as complementing each other in the modern 4-2-3-1, reading the game and controlling the middle and going forward or holding as the flow of the game dictates. Which is much different than the ultra structured imitation Van Gaal style we try now.

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