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Lilshmike
Post #16
Tuesday September 25, 2018 3:56pm

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Original post from bjelks

I think Fab would be more interested in playing for us if we had a manager he respected and a 23 he felt were international quality or at least capable of competing at a high level.
Highly doubtful that it has anything to do with the manager or the 23 man roster. He is getting up in age and likely has no interest in taking time away from club to play in games when he probably won't be in the squad for the next WC. Playing more games both wears his body down faster and increases his chances of injury - and that's before taking into account that he is crossing the Atlantic to play. His club pays him. That's his job. He probably doesn't want to make an unnecessary sacrifice that could jeopardize his income/club position when the games are more or less meaningless to him and the few years he has left in his career.

Prime example - Brad Friedel. He retired from national team duty in 2005. He was our best keeper and would/should have started in both 2006 and 2010. However, he retired from the USMNT to focus on prolonging his club career (which was probably the best choice for him from a professional perspective).

Fabian Johnson only switched from Germany to the USMNT so that he could play in a WC. Mission accomplished. He likely won't be around/good enough to play in 2022, so from his perspective... whats the point?

Dave
Post #17
Wednesday September 26, 2018 2:59am

Joined Jul 2014
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@Lilshmike - While I agree with the belief that Fabian is done representing the USMNT, I don't think the example of Friedel's retirement is a "Prime Example". Brad walked away from the NT in part because he felt that the team was in good hands (pun intended) with Keller & Howard. There was even talk about him coming out of retirement during the 2014 cycle when Howard went down....as a back-up to Guzan.
In the current cycle there isn't anyone ready to step in right now at the level that Fabian is capable of playing at. But I'd understand if he didn't want/accept any call-ups.

As for the 2019 Gold Cup there are only a few players (11) who'd I call locks to be in the squad (if healthy).
Keeper: Steffen
Defense: Yedlin, Brooks, Miazga, Robinson
Midfield: McKennie, Adams
Attackers: Pulisic, Wood, Weah, Saief,

The rest of the 30 man preliminary squad will be significantly influenced by who the manager is, how the European season unfolds, and how much USSF pushes for MLS players to be part of the team.

Keeper: Guzan, Hamid, Horvath, Gonzalez
Defense: Moore, Cannon, EPB, CCV, Zimmerman, Parker, Villafana, D. Acosta
Midfield: Williams, K. Acosta, Nagbe, Lletget, Parks, Hyndman,
Attackers: Nova, Sargent, Siebatcheu, Green, Gall, Amon, Gooch, Sabbi, Arriola, Jozy

I could also see players like Tillman, Senora, Scott, etc... given a call to cap tie them to the US, If we can convince them to commit. Than replace them after the group stage.

Lilshmike
Post #18
Wednesday September 26, 2018 5:19am

Joined Oct 2012
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@Dave

I'm going to have to challenge that Friedel statement about the 2014 WC. Never did I hear any rumors about Friedel potentially coming out of retirement in the 2014 cycle to play for the national team as a backup to Guzan in Howard's absence. Certainly not from Friedel himself, and certainly not from any credible source or someone who was in the know. Now, there was discussion about how Friedel was arguably still one of, if not the best keeper in our pool around 2012 instead of Howard... but that's different than talk of him coming out of retirement.

I'll agree that he may not be a "prime example", but it's close enough. I'll counter with emphasizing that keepers are a different breed and have a longer shelf life than field players... so although Friedel's best years were in front of him at the time of his retirement, FabJo's likely are not. If he is still playing at a high level in 2022 and is still one of our best players, then we should consider him at that time.

I don't agree with the last statement. I dont see those guys getting called up to cap tie them. You may not be advocating for it, but I think it's a bad precedent to set of cap tying players simply to cap tie them in a competitive game, then send them on their way. If they want to play, then fine. But if they (meaning any player who is eligible for multiple nations) are on the fence, then IMO we shouldn't pressure them into playing for us and getting cap tied if they may or may not be in our plans moving forward. That won't help us in the long run. I feel like it may serve more as a deterrent. Call in fringe guys who are full blooded Americans/players fully committed to representing the USMNT for the GC and play the others in a friendly instead.

db707
Post #19
Wednesday March 27, 2019 7:02pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Probably time to bump this thread, now that the Gold Cup is firmly in view. Who does everyone have on the roster?

cudevil
Post #20
Wednesday March 27, 2019 8:00pm

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It's going to closely resemble what we just saw. Steffen will replace Gonzalez. I suspect that Omar won't be with that roster. Morris didn't play well enough to be on for the Gold Cup, but we'll have to see if he continues to play well in the Gold Cup. Not seeing what Baird brings to the table. Would be surprised if Altidore or Wood doesn't replace Ramirez (they both might make the roster if they drop Morris or Baird). Ream will be interesting. Don't think he played well enough for the GC, but he was captain for the Ecuador game, which I'd think, would mean that GB likes him.

My guess:

GK: Steffen, Johnson, Horvath
Def: Yedlin, Zimmerman, Miazga, JAB, Long, Ream, Lovitz
Mid: Bradley, Trapp, Adams, McKinnie, CP, Roldan, Lletget
Fwd: Arriola, Lewis, Zardes, Altidore, Wood

This is only 22. I omitted Lima, but I'm not sure who is realistic as a replacement.

bjelks
Post #21
Wednesday March 27, 2019 8:22pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I'm way too discouraged to even pick a squad.
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db707
Post #22
Wednesday March 27, 2019 10:03pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 837
Original post from cudevil

It's going to closely resemble what we just saw. Steffen will replace Gonzalez. I suspect that Omar won't be with that roster. Morris didn't play well enough to be on for the Gold Cup, but we'll have to see if he continues to play well in the Gold Cup. Not seeing what Baird brings to the table. Would be surprised if Altidore or Wood doesn't replace Ramirez (they both might make the roster if they drop Morris or Baird). Ream will be interesting. Don't think he played well enough for the GC, but he was captain for the Ecuador game, which I'd think, would mean that GB likes him.

My guess:

GK: Steffen, Johnson, Horvath
Def: Yedlin, Zimmerman, Miazga, JAB, Long, Ream, Lovitz
Mid: Bradley, Trapp, Adams, McKinnie, CP, Roldan, Lletget
Fwd: Arriola, Lewis, Zardes, Altidore, Wood

This is only 22. I omitted Lima, but I'm not sure who is realistic as a replacement.


Robinson is back playing for Wigan. The U-23 guys have to be in the picture too, especially CCV, Sargent, Weah, Mihailovic. Those eligible for the U-20 World Cup may also be in that picture. I'd love for us to have a Camp Cupcake type deal for European guys in late May, but it sounds like they're just doing early June friendlies.

cudevil
Post #23
Wednesday March 27, 2019 10:48pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from db707

Robinson is back playing for Wigan. The U-23 guys have to be in the picture too, especially CCV, Sargent, Weah, Mihailovic. Those eligible for the U-20 World Cup may also be in that picture. I'd love for us to have a Camp Cupcake type deal for European guys in late May, but it sounds like they're just doing early June friendlies.


I couldn't remember if Robinson was with the U23 camp. It seems like there is a new interest in keeping guys in the various age groups before moving up to the NT.

Don't get me wrong, I think the guys that you mentioned should be in the picture, but given Berhalter's view on this roster, continuity, etc., it would surprise me if we saw too many new faces heading into the GC.

db707
Post #24
Thursday March 28, 2019 12:15am

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Original post from cudevil

I couldn't remember if Robinson was with the U23 camp. It seems like there is a new interest in keeping guys in the various age groups before moving up to the NT.

Don't get me wrong, I think the guys that you mentioned should be in the picture, but given Berhalter's view on this roster, continuity, etc., it would surprise me if we saw too many new faces heading into the GC.


I get where you're coming from, you may well be right. I just hope we see the best group of in-form players possible.

Dave
Post #25
Thursday March 28, 2019 2:03am

Joined Jul 2014
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I'm hoping that Berhalter will call in an extended number of players for the early June friendlies to test out some new blood before having to settle on his roster for the Gold Cup. I'm therefore going to list the 30 players I think will be on the GC preliminary Roster....

Keeper (4): Steffen, Horvath, S. Johnson, Guzan
Defense (11): Adams, Yedlin, Miazga, JAB, Long, CCV, Z-man, Ream, Robinson, Lovits, Lima
Midfield (6): McKennie, Bradley, Trapp, Roldan, Lletget, Saief
Attackers (9): Pulisic, Zardes, Jozy, Sargent, Arriola, Holmes, Baird, Weah, Lewis

There are supposed to be 2 more friendlies in early June (5th & 9th). Call all 30 into the camp, if some of them don't prove ready/able to contribute to GB's system they can be released. This will hopefully give GB a chance to maintain his desired continuity while also exploring who else within the player pool can be relied on now or in the future.

cudevil
Post #26
Thursday March 28, 2019 2:32am

Joined Oct 2012
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Does the GC still allow teams to make several changes after the group stage?

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #27
Thursday March 28, 2019 5:13pm

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Original post from cudevil

Does the GC still allow teams to make several changes after the group stage?


Yeah I think so.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #28
Thursday March 28, 2019 5:25pm

Joined Jul 2012
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It's so hard to tell at this point I would say the roster is 90 percent set. But I think their will be openings for players to play in to contention.

My locks:

GK: Steffen, Johnson, Horvath

D: Yedlin, Brooks, Long, Z-Man

M: Bradley, Trapp, Mckennie, Adams, Pulisic,

F: Zardes, Arriola, Lewis

There are a number of players getting healthy and this next few months we might see other players emerge I.e: Johansson, Zelalem, Duncan, Garza, A. Robinson, Nagbe, Altidore, Gall, Hoyos etc.....

And will Fabian Johnson finally come back? He could make that hybrid LB spot his.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #29
Thursday March 28, 2019 7:44pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,344
I'm not sure Lewis has done anything to cement his spot, but I don't really know anything about him from the club. I'd prefer Weah if I'm being honest, but he's still super young (I'm guessing there is some youth tournament I'm not thinking about that he'll be involved in, but IMO he should be with the adults).

Safe to say the midfield will be there, no complaints there. I hope Holmes gets some more games, but it's not looking likely.

bjelks
Post #30
Sunday April 7, 2019 4:08pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,086
Actually this guy should be our starting left wing.
Does anybody know if Greg or Earnie has approached him?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClassicASN/status/...
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