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Post #1
Saturday October 21, 2017 1:01am

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Now the Olympic tournament for men's soccer becomes the biggest tournament to really focus on. Many of the players playing in that team will more than likely be and become key players for the USMNT WC qualifying team. US Soccer should not be sitting on their laurels. The time is now to start identifying players for that team.

Who will be available for the qualifying phase is always a concern. More than likely no players playing in Europe will be available for it. Not unless CONCACAF makes the qualifying tournament a summer event in 2019. Which is likely not going to happen due to the US probably getting invited to play in the Copa America that summer as well as playing in the Gold Cup.

Who would you all look to choose?

SamHays1999
Kansas
Post #2
Wednesday October 25, 2017 10:20am

Joined May 2017
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I had a highly detailed message I was making to put in here to respond, but I accidentally clicked on a favorited tab and now it's gone, so that sucks a bit. Basically, I would like to, but there is also plenty going on. WCQ, Gold Cup, and maybe Copa America happen before and after Olympic qualifying with unlikely but possibly Toulon and Pan American even. For 2020, another Toulon and more WCQ. The thing also is that, if we are 3rd in Olympic qualifying, we have a playoff at the same time as WCQ (just like 2016). This could be the problem if we want to put out our best U23 (with a max of 3 above 23 players, i.e. 24 y/o Neymar last year) squad with Pulisic, McKennie, etc. Personally, yeah, I'd put out the best squad possible.

GK: Horvath/Gonzalez (both 25), J.Klinsmann, pick #3
DF: CCV, EPB, Glad, Olosunde, Danilo Acosta
MF: T.Adams, Pulisic, McKennie, J.Gonzalez, choose one of J.Perez/M.Gaines/Taitague
FW: Sargent, Weah, Haji Wright, B.Lennon, Carleton

If you need defender, you can move T.Adams and M.Gaines if chosen from midfield. Need midfield in return, you've got Lennon and Carleton.

goods
Post #3
Wednesday October 25, 2017 2:04pm

Joined Mar 2014
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Problem is in Qualifying we cannot use our best 23. Good chance many will be getting senior level minutes and several will be in Europe and unavailable. I am not sure who would be available to for that team.

Jzaval01
Post #4
Wednesday October 25, 2017 2:36pm

Joined May 2013
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Really tough. As a whole our u23 should be our full mens national team. With a sprinkle vets like Brooks, yedlin etc. It only makes sense to gets them as many games as possible whether its olympic related or friendly etc. For qualifying i think with the possibility of missing pkayers the u23 camps should be used to find unknown players that may help. Say instead of saeif you put in jonathan Lewis for a u23 camp etc.

SamHays1999
Kansas
Post #5
Wednesday October 25, 2017 8:51pm

Joined May 2017
Total Posts: 173
Original post from goods

Problem is in Qualifying we cannot use our best 23. Good chance many will be getting senior level minutes and several will be in Europe and unavailable. I am not sure who would be available to for that team.


Yep, I had all of this in my original long post I was making, October 2019 qualifying. Another thing, though, is that as long as we can get through the qualifying, we got our best for the real thing. It'll be tough, though.

Know Nothing
Post #6
Wednesday October 25, 2017 9:55pm

Joined Jan 2013
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If he is playing somewhere Kyle Scott will be age eligible for the tournament.

Dave
Post #7
Thursday October 26, 2017 1:31am

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The 2020 Olympics will be a key transition for many of our prospects. The entire USMNT program needs to be overhauled, but many of our best young players will not be released from their European Club teams for the qualification tournament. For this reason USSF needs to prioritize the young players NOW by combining the best young European Players with the Best MLS players starting with the November Friendly....

European:
Keeper: Horvath
Defense: CCV, Miazga, EPB, Olosunde, Brooks, Yedlin, Payne, Robinson, Fossey
Midfield: Pulisic, McKennie, Hayndman, Gonzalez, Saief, Perez, Green, Gooch
Forward: Wood, Sargent, Wright, Rubin, Akale

MLS:
Keeper: Steffen, Gonzalez,
Defense: Glad, Redding, Farfan, Acosta, Adams
Midfield: K. Acosta, Arriola, Roldan, Carleton, Canouse, Manneh
Forward: Morris

whoever our next full time manager is needs to focus on building an "A" team while keeping the MLS "B" players within striking distance for when Olympic Qualifying rolls around and we can't call on our "A" List players.

goods
Post #8
Thursday October 26, 2017 4:49pm

Joined Mar 2014
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Morris will be aged out plis how many of those MLS players will be in Europe or not released for qualifying?

SamHays1999
Kansas
Post #9
Thursday October 26, 2017 5:39pm

Joined May 2017
Total Posts: 173
Original post from Dave

The 2020 Olympics will be a key transition for many of our prospects. The entire USMNT program needs to be overhauled, but many of our best young players will not be released from their European Club teams for the qualification tournament. For this reason USSF needs to prioritize the young players NOW by combining the best young European Players with the Best MLS players starting with the November Friendly....

European:
Keeper: Horvath
Defense: CCV, Miazga, EPB, Olosunde, Brooks, Yedlin, Payne, Robinson, Fossey
Midfield: Pulisic, McKennie, Hayndman, Gonzalez, Saief, Perez, Green, Gooch
Forward: Wood, Sargent, Wright, Rubin, Akale

MLS:
Keeper: Steffen, Gonzalez,
Defense: Glad, Redding, Farfan, Acosta, Adams
Midfield: K. Acosta, Arriola, Roldan, Carleton, Canouse, Manneh
Forward: Morris

whoever our next full time manager is needs to focus on building an "A" team while keeping the MLS "B" players within striking distance for when Olympic Qualifying rolls around and we can't call on our "A" List players.


This lineup doesn't work, it is a max of 3 players above the age of 23.

Dave
Post #10
Friday October 27, 2017 2:17am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 764
Original post from SamHays1999

This lineup doesn't work, it is a max of 3 players above the age of 23.


My list wasn't limited to the Olympic Aged players, although a good percentage of them actually do fall into the age bracket. I've included these players to provide leadership to a very young & inexperienced player pool who'll start to be integrated into the USMNT now since we're not going to Russia.

Now MLS & Liga MX clubs have nearly always released players for the qualifier tournament. Its the European clubs who tend not to allow player releases. The only European players who'll be released are those not in their clubs 1st teams and/or if the club is getting ready to part ways with the player.

If I were going to guess on a squad to compete during the qualification tournament I'd go with something along the following lines:
Keeper: Scott, Marcinkowski
Defense: Robinson, Farfan, Glad, Redding, D. Acosta, Adams
Midfield: Gonzalez, Perez, Carleton, Jones, Durkin, Williamson
Forward: Rubin, Akale, Ebobisse, Lennon

Although many of these won't be involved in if we qualify for the 2020 Olympics, as they'll be replaced with some of the European players who won't be released for the qualification process or by over-aged players.

SamHays1999
Kansas
Post #11
Saturday October 28, 2017 10:06am

Joined May 2017
Total Posts: 173
I really do wonder if Pulisic does a Neymar and goes for the Olympic gold. He could try to convince some of the others such as McKennie and Sargent to join along with. That team would have a shot at it.

Dave
Post #12
Saturday October 28, 2017 9:57pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 764
Original post from SamHays1999

I really do wonder if Pulisic does a Neymar and goes for the Olympic gold. He could try to convince some of the others such as McKennie and Sargent to join along with. That team would have a shot at it.


While clubs don't have to release players for the Olympic Qualifying tournament, they do have to release players who are age eligible for the actual Olympics. So if the US want these guys (McKennie, Sargent, Pulisic, etc...) with the U-23's than his clubs cannot block their participation at the Olympics. What tends to hurt us is that CONCACAF schedules the Olympic Qualifying Tournament outside FIFA Dates, which allows clubs to refuse to release many of our best players.
Ultimately, if we qualify for the Olympics, it'll come down to what the 2020 schedule looks like. What tournaments and/or competitions are on the schedule, and which USSF prioritizes.
CCV, EPB, Olosunde, Fossey, McKennie, Scott, Pulisic, Sargent & Wright aren't likely to be available for the Qualifying Tournament, but if we do qualify than all could be selected if USSF chose to call on them.


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