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stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #31
Friday October 13, 2017 3:21am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 200
Original post from mmee

Too, too many of the press are being soft on the whole system, or on the players, or on Gulati, etc.


To hear Bruce say "we do not need to change anything" was baffling. I think we need a total reset. Of course keep some people but the vast majority of our system needs to change.

I think the next potential coach needs to have playing experience overseas, otherwise we will get the same as bradley and arena, sampson etc

I think a Patrick Veira or Wagner would be ideal, with a Kries, Vermes as assistant.

I just can not believe Sunil or Bruce would believe we do not need major changes, baffling.
Stoked
PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #32
Friday October 13, 2017 3:46am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 176
I believe Bruce has now come out and said he does not want to coach another cycle. If this is the case he needs to resign.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #33
Friday October 13, 2017 3:54am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 176
http://www.espnfc.com/united-states/story/322...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #34
Friday October 13, 2017 5:16am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,334
I will say this: the fact Panama is going to the WC based on a phantom goal is egregious. Goal line technology needs to be implemented in Concacaf now!

Rey Regicide
Post #35
Friday October 13, 2017 2:02pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
Here's a thought.

I feel like the missed goal underscores the differences between Donovan and Dempsey.

I feel bad for Dempsey because for as great as he was, for as much as he did. He just didn't have the fortune, fortuitousness, just hte breaks Donovan got.

NOT that Donovan was all based on luck, he did incredible amount of sweat, perseverance, and of course skill.

Just feel like fortune favored more Donovan than Dempsey. Don't feel like Dempsey is the type to hang on an want to chase goals. If they are outside of team success. I wonder if Clint would just be like, I'm too hurt to be thinking about my self, I'm done.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #36
Friday October 13, 2017 2:55pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Food for thought:
The USA in modern World Cup has scored 20 goals in the World Cup (not including Own Goals from other teams).

9 (almost half) have come from 1982-83 U-17 squad. That's the years with Dempsey, Beasley, Donovan, Onyewu, Gomez, etc. We have had deeper years (86-87 is pretty deep), but none that has had the star power/top end talent that year had.

In order of National Team Appearances (NT goals in parentheses):
70-71 = 770 (41)
82-83 = 761 (164)
68-69 = 655 (62)
86-87 = 636 (39)
72-73 = 569 (73)
84-85 = 493 (43)
78-79 = 463 (30)
76-77 = 396 (46)
74-75 = 324 (28)
90-91 = 276 (30)
80-81 = 246 (19)
88-89 = 244 (27)
92-93 = 174 (17)
94-95 = 71 (12)
98-99 = 20 (9)
96-97 = 5 (0)

That's why you look at it and 2002 is our best WC. Our 2 best generations (70-71 and 82-83) were either in the last World Cup or breaking through in their first world cup (Donovan and Beasley mostly).

Then in 2010 and 2014 we had 82/83 and 86/87 in their prime so we did good, but not great.

But now we were still relying on 82/83 even though they are way past their prime (and some still relying on 78/79). and we have had some dreadful years like 88/89, 92/93 (should be in their prime right now), 94/95 (should be breaking into squad and getting big minutes as a group they are not). Combined with lack of top level talent from the 2 big years (86/87 and 84/85) just isn't a good mix.

Good thing looking forward is we have a few that should be top draw talent in 98/99 and 00/01 that should be ready to go come 2022. Pulisic, Sargent, McKinnie, Miazga, CCV, EPB, and some solid talent come up from the others. If we can have a good depth year like 86/87 or even 84/85 then 2022 should be a really good team and 2026 even better.
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Rey Regicide
Post #37
Friday October 13, 2017 2:57pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
Was it wrong to shut down IMG before the private side of things got underway?

Will there ever be a ground up instead of top down approach severely pushed by the Federation.

Know Nothing
Post #38
Friday October 13, 2017 3:39pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,246
Original post from Rey Regicide

If they are outside of team success. I wonder if Clint would just be like, I'm too hurt to be thinking about my self, I'm done.


Normally I would say yes, but I think in the back of his mind he feels honor bound to try and break the record after LD's pissy comments the last few years.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #39
Friday October 13, 2017 3:40pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from Rey Regicide

Was it wrong to shut down IMG before the private side of things got underway?

Will there ever be a ground up instead of top down approach severely pushed by the Federation.


We desperately need USSoccer/MLS/USSL/NASL to work together instead of infighting.

Too much infighting amongst them, not enough cooperation and not enough development of youth.

I'm fine with a Bundesliga approach of everything being under the German Federation and working together.

Need USSoccer to aid all of those leagues and help them develop their own academies. Just like in Europe each one is going to develop their own academies and determine how much they put into it. But USSoccer and the big clubs should be funding these academies. Between the 4 of them they should be able to cover all geographical areas of the USA.

With the Tampa Bay Rowdies, there is no reason that we need an IMG academy/USA residency in Tampa. Or even with Orlando City (who is putting a lot of resources into their youth programs).

USSoccer should put a lot more money into youth academies from the professional clubs, and enable those clubs to have good (Better than pay for play clubs) development coaches, etc.

let the pay for play clubs still exist, but make it lucrative for the Clubs to have the best academies and that's where the top talent will want to go.

There is no reason that all of the bigger metropolitan area's can't have a professional (FREE) academy with scouts to continually get the best talent in these academies and developed.



I have also seen the idea floated for US clubs to partner with big european clubs and get backing from them to have top notch academies. This is desperately needed as well. Get all the funding you can.
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Rey Regicide
Post #40
Friday October 13, 2017 3:42pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
Original post from Know Nothing

Normally I would say yes, but I think in the back of his mind he feels honor bound to try and break the record after LD's pissy comments the last few years.


lol which comment was this. I thought LD was "I'm a punk, I want the record, but Dempsey deserves it"

cudevil
Post #41
Friday October 13, 2017 4:52pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 547
Arena resigns.

Know Nothing
Post #42
Friday October 13, 2017 6:21pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,246
Original post from Rey Regicide

lol which comment was this. I thought LD was "I'm a punk, I want the record, but Dempsey deserves it"


Not comments about Deuce himself, but his comments in the aftermath of being left out of the side.

goods
Post #43
Friday October 13, 2017 7:02pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 454
Not sure if this allowed in FIFA during the World Cup, but here is an idea the US can push for next year. The games will be in Russia so that can mean some really early games. So why not create a NIT type of tourney of 16 teams. There are already some tradional teams not going Holland, Chile, Ghana and USA. Australia and Italy are in playoffs and may not make it, I suspect both will, but that is two more big nations. Then you have the federations of New Zealand, Canada, China and , India that would perhaps like to get exposure. You would most likely have young budding stars from the tradional powers as they are all rebuilding, plus exposure for players who will come from non powerhouse nations.

There will be several MLS stadiums looking to fill dates plus ESPN OR BeIn could get some programing. If it is allowed USSF should try to create that in the fly.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #44
Friday October 13, 2017 8:34pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
There is nothing in the FIFA rules that say teams not involved in the World Cup can't play matches during the World Cup. But like any Friendly it would have to be approved by FIFA (not sure if they would or wouldn't).
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Chance2bad
Cincinnati, OH
Post #45
Friday October 13, 2017 9:07pm

Joined Jun 2017
Total Posts: 38
Gulati says he won't resign, may run for reelection

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