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dolcem
Post #1
Wednesday October 11, 2017 2:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Well guys, congrats, you got what you wanted: MLS coaching.

I mean what would we expect. It's not like Coach Bruce got to watch professional soccer when he was growing up, or play it. It's not like anyone that he ever played or coached with had, either, or had any exposure to the game whatsoever at the highest levels. Nor did anyone they coached or played with. We might as well found some random Chinese basketball coach to take over your local NBA team. No, that analogy wouldn't work, because the US never produced a soccer player as good as Yao Ming was at basketball.

Should we be surprised at all? Remember how in over his head Coach Bruce was in 2006? How many times do we have to watch MLS teams with beastly DPs get squashed by Mexican teams who don't get a **** in the CCL to wonder if maybe our coaching isn't quite up to snuff? Vieria had never even coached before nor will probably make it as a manager in the EPL and look at how much better he did than Jason Kreis, who was considered to be the best coach of his generation.

Don't tell me that you don't have to play the game to be a coach because of Jose Mourinho. He's one of about three good managers EVER that didn't play professionally, and he was BOBBY FREAKING ROBSON'S TRANSLATOR. He learned how to coach from professional coaches. Coach Bruce did not.

If Klinsmann had stayed on as manager, this team would be going to Russia. We had only played two games, our second and third hardest fixture. Yes, the team had been awful since the World Cup. But during the last two cycles that he coached, his team played like crap AND THEN TURNED IT AROUND AND CAUGHT FIRE. The German national team was in shambles when he took over (yes, ask any German person, they didn't beat anyone decent in 2002 and in the Euros 2000 and 2004 they were an embarrassment), and they were very inconsistent during his tenure, but when it counted, they WERE BRILLIANT. The US started off well after he took over, then played like crap during 2012, but then played the BEST FOOTBALL WE EVER HAD in 2013-14.

You can be a crappy manager and coach a team to a good performance in the World Cup once (Raymond Domenech, for example) through sheer luck or having great players (Zidane). BUT NOT TWICE. Who were those amazing players on the 2006 Germany squad? Why was that the first time the Germans ever played soccer like that? If it was all Jogi Low, why had no one heard of him when Klinsmann hired him as an assistant? Why did he get heavily criticized for that decision? And why, despite having way better squads than Klinsmann did, has Low only been able to do better than the 2006 World Cup performance ONLY ONCE IN FIVE TOURNAMENTS. YOU CAN'T BE A TERRIBLE MANAGER AND HAVE TWO GREAT WORLD CUPS. Klinsmann is not a world class manager, but I think he knows a thing or two about soccer Coach Bruce.

We played like crap in 2014-2016 but when it counted (the Copa America), we were good enough. COACH BRUCE HAD AN ENTIRE YEAR TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND COULDN'T EVEN TIE TRINIDAD AND ****ING TOBAGO. THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING TO PLAY FOR FOR ****'S SAKE.

WHY BOTHER HIRING AN MLS COACH. WHY NOT HIRE A FEMALE COACH? HOW ABOUT JILL ELLIS? BECAUSE PEDIGREE DOESN'T MATTER, RIGHT? JUST YOUR ABILITY TO COACH, RIGHT? AND THEY HAVE MORE WINS, SO THEY MUST BE BETTER COACHES.

**** US SOCCER. **** SUNIL GULATI. AND **** THE MLS. WE'RE THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND WE CAN'T EVEN HIRE A TOP-FLIGHT PROFESSIONAL MANAGER FOR OUR NATIONAL TEAM? CAN WE PLEASE AT LEAST TRY NOT TO BE A BUNCH OF AMATEURS?

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dunlopp9987
Post #2
Wednesday October 11, 2017 3:03pm

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Post #3
Wednesday October 11, 2017 3:08pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Just a couple random thoughts.

Maybe 40 percent, 60 percent of the detrimental things used against Klinsmann were the Phillip Lahm testimonies.

But JK was the guy who brought Lahm on. So, what happened? WAs it the absence of Leow? Of course, him not being there made it different at Bayern, but so what?

Lahm had to have known that going in, he was there during the national teams setup.

I don't apologize for JK for the sake of unbesmerching his name.

I do it because I think JK is a horrible coach who knows ALOT about soccer. And the htings he levied against the USSF, MLS, and Don Garber and the political front for SUM are true. The US soccer landscape is toxic, not conducive to producing the best possible talent in the United States.

I honestly think Arena was a better coach than JK. The things that broke in JK's tenure were spacing and people getting exposed due to tactical errors. Gonzalez literally made 3 errors that caused him. And I know you can blame Arena as much as you want, and I don't absolve him of any blame. He's part to blame. But the people selected are within the realm of reason of what to pick for a National team match. Especially given the injuries to our players. I think more telling is that we had to rely on a 19 year old that for all intents wasn't developed through our "system". Yea, his dad coached him in the youth teams, yea he played competition here, but any formal education began the minute he stepped on the pitch at Dortmund. He was playing formalized pickup games before hand.

THAT is the issue, the machine that is supposed to churn out these players isn't churning them out. Mostly because a team would MUCH rather hafe a ready made (cheap and poor quality) college solution towards development of work force. 22 graduate who paid for his own soccer and academic education. So you can start paying Ian Harkes money. Ian Harkes should have been where he is at 17 18, not 22 coming out of college! Chris Durkin SHOULD be beating those guys out in midfield. Because he's better than Harkes, and the team has to see that it's better to develop him and take the time to guide him through development.

Know Nothing
Post #4
Wednesday October 11, 2017 3:29pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,241
This is a real interesting time in US Soccer.

The big concussion debate has many debating whether youth football (NFL type football) is worth it. This may bring a lot more quality athletes to soccer to start with. The challenge then is to keep them active in the sport and growing their soccer IQ's.

MLS should get off it's high horse and consider having each team sign developmental agreements with European sides. Within these agreements should be avenues to not only loan youth players in, but also coaching exchanges as well as giving these team rights of first refusal on players developed by their academies. In a nutshell, loaning players in instead of overpaying for the DP's is more economical.

I think the EPB situation speaks volumes as to what is wrong with MLS. His talent and ability were all too noticeable at the U-20 qualifying and U-20 WC and yet it seems his club team is afraid to play him for fear a foreign team will try to sign him.

You know, the MLS should partner with an online university and offer their academy players that have graduated high school to ability to continue their education. Heck, I dare say the University of Phoenix would love to trade education for free advertising in each stadium!

Know Nothing
Post #5
Wednesday October 11, 2017 3:57pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Just posting so this thread doesn't disappear.

dolcem
Post #6
Sunday November 26, 2017 4:43pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,759
Taylor Twellman said it best.. WHERE IS THE PRESSURE ON THESE GUYS?

Why isn't the media absolutely SKEWERING players like BRADLEY and ALTIDORE?

WHY HAS THERE BEEN SO LITTLE CRITICISM OF BRUCE ARENA? EVEN IF WE HAD GOTTEN FOUR POINTS OUT OF OUR FIRST TWO MATCHES, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH, WE WOULD HAVE FINISHED THE HEX WITH 16 POINTS, THE LOWEST IN HISTORY. THIS WAS HIS THIRD CYCLE, HE IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW HOW TO NAVEGATE CONCACAF BETTER THAN ANYONE. HE HAD BEEN IN CHARGE FOR A YEAR AND CAN'T GET A RESULT AGAINST TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO.

Altidore was complaining about being booed by New York fans. Is this guy for real? In any other country in the world these guys would not want to show their faces in public.

WHERE IS THE US SOCCER MEDIA? WHY ISN'T THE ENTIRE NATIONAL SPORTS MEDIA RIPPING INTO ARENA, BRADLEY, AND ALTIDORE, AND THE REST OF THE TEAM GOD**** IT?

I can't imagine the reaction if Klinsmann were the coach when this happened. Heck people blame Klinsmann now.

MLS ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. THE COMPETITION IS WEAK AND THERE IS NO PRESSURE. THE AMERICAN MANAGER ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. OUR NATIONAL TEAM ISN'T GOING TO DO **** UNTIL OUR PLAYERS AND MANAGERS COME FROM THE TOP LEVELS. HOW IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

Obviously we aren't to the point yet to have a really good domestic league (or even managers at the highest levels...it has only been a few years since our first generation of euro-based players retired, and even they didn't grow up with soccer on TV). But why aren't we trying to get there? Why doesn't Sporting KC ***ing trade one of their CBs for a player at any other position and play EPB? Why does the MLS spend millions to keep important NT players from playing at the highest level (and for a Canadian team!!!)? WHY CAN'T THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HIRE A TOP-NOTCH MANAGER?

Klinsmann had it right. We have to learn how to play like the best. That means sending our coaches and managers to Europe so they have to compete at the highest level of the game and learn from those who play it and understand it the best. IT'S SIMPLE PEOPLE.

The problem is the American soccer establishment. They think that because we're the best country in the world, we know what we're doing and that our way is best. If things aren't going well, it's not our fault (it's because all of the best athletes play basketball or something). HOMERS GET OUT.
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navi8132
New York
Post #7
Sunday November 26, 2017 5:39pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,781
All top U-20 american talent in MLS should move as soon as possible to Europe. If they can't get a deal, so be it, but if they can, they need to move.


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