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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #61
Thursday October 12, 2017 9:35pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,238
Original post from cudevil

Peru plays New Zealand in a playoff. They won't be scheduling any friendlies until they are preparing for the WC.


My bad was thinking of Paraguay not Peru.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #62
Thursday October 12, 2017 9:46pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 189
Original post from Chance2bad

I guess that means you hate gays, blacks, and Latinos as well, surprised you even watch the USMNT with all that diversity out there


Wow, the irony of your comment is your statement is bigoted and racist.

I dont subscribe to all of Blaise's comments. However, I am a proud Trump supporter and am tired of comments like the one you made. It is a carelous statement and an often repeated one from the left; they refuse to look at it and say maybe people didn't want Hillary and or her ideas or lack thereof.

I stopped watching football as well, regardless of your color or political affiliation as One nation we should respect the Flag.

BTW-not all Trump supporters hate blacks, gays, etc
Stoked
cudevil
Post #63
Thursday October 12, 2017 10:07pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 524
Original post from stoked3

Wow, the irony of your comment is your statement is bigoted and racist.

I dont subscribe to all of Blaise's comments. However, I am a proud Trump supporter and am tired of comments like the one you made. It is a carelous statement and an often repeated one from the left; they refuse to look at it and say maybe people didn't want Hillary and or her ideas or lack thereof.

I stopped watching football as well, regardless of your color or political affiliation as One nation we should respect the Flag.

BTW-not all Trump supporters hate blacks, gays, etc


They're just cool with people who do.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #64
Thursday October 12, 2017 10:11pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
hate Clinton and refuse to vote for her
=/=
love Trump and vote for him

Trump's base is xenophobic as fuck, that is beyond dispute.

stoked, if you say you're not, I'll accept that.

Chance2bad
Cincinnati, OH
Post #65
Thursday October 12, 2017 10:13pm

Joined Jun 2017
Total Posts: 36
Original post from stoked3

Wow, the irony of your comment is your statement is bigoted and racist.

I dont subscribe to all of Blaise's comments. However, I am a proud Trump supporter and am tired of comments like the one you made. It is a carelous statement and an often repeated one from the left; they refuse to look at it and say maybe people didn't want Hillary and or her ideas or lack thereof.

I stopped watching football as well, regardless of your color or political affiliation as One nation we should respect the Flag.

BTW-not all Trump supporters hate blacks, gays, etc


For the record I voted for Trump as well because I didn't trust Hillary for a second. But to say you support him now after the disaster that he has been means you're as short sided as left you speak about. You obviously refuse to look at Trumps body of work and are influenced by your hatred of the left.

My take on the NFL is the people taking a knee aren't disrespecting the flag or country. Turning your back on the flag or talking during the anthem would be disrespecting it. By taking a knee they're still recognizing the flag while holding a silent protest which is something this country is built upon.

Keep drinking the Kool Aid, I'm sure you'll be a bigot and a racist soon enough.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #66
Thursday October 12, 2017 10:18pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 189
Original post from cudevil

They're just cool with people who do.


False. and again your comment is off base, you are lumping everyone together. Isn't that bigoted? Its so sad so many on the left use the "your a racist if your a republican". It seems like the people who make everything about race are the media and the left.

Could it be we just have a difference in opinion on: taxes, regulations, education, health ins, security etc ?

It is called a difference of opinion not that us Trump supporters are racist and or ok with people whom are.

Thats ridiculous
Stoked
stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #67
Thursday October 12, 2017 10:30pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 189
Original post from Chance2bad

For the record I voted for Trump as well because I didn't trust Hillary for a second. But to say you support him now after the disaster that he has been means you're as short sided as left you speak about. You obviously refuse to look at Trumps body of work and are influenced by your hatred of the left.

My take on the NFL is the people taking a knee aren't disrespecting the flag or country. Turning your back on the flag or talking during the anthem would be disrespecting it. By taking a knee they're still recognizing the flag while holding a silent protest which is something this country is built upon.

Keep drinking the Kool Aid, I'm sure you'll be a bigot and a racist soon enough.


You seem to get pretty angry quickly -why? you are the one who made the statement that all trump supporters were racist, not me. I doubt you voted for trump b.c that would have made you a racist, or as you put it will eventually be one.

To imply that I am racist is ridiculous.

BTW what disasters are referring too. It is ignorant to assume that if you voted for someone, anyone, that you then agree with all of their statements and or actions.

And regarding the flag. Colin K own quote was I am not going stand and show pride for a flag-so the guy who started it all disagrees with your assessment that it is not disrespectful.

BTW I agree with you, anyone who wears a hat or talks through the anthem is disrespecting the flag as well. I also agree it is their right to do so, it is just disrespectful.

thats the problem that you do not seem to get nor people on the left. Both statements can be correct at the same time.
1. it is disrespectful
2. it is completely their right to do so
Stoked
blaise213
Post #68
Thursday October 12, 2017 10:46pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,431
Original post from cudevil

It's funny to me that you think because of liking Latinas or that you are (allegedly) part black and latino, that you aren't a racist piece of garbage.


You want a screenshot of my DNA test?

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #69
Thursday October 12, 2017 10:57pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 189
Original post from mmee

hate Clinton and refuse to vote for her
=/=
love Trump and vote for him

Trump's base is xenophobic as fuck, that is beyond dispute.

stoked, if you say you're not, I'll accept that.


Thx for taking my word for it. I disagree with your statement " his base" and is beyond dispute.

I voted for him for many reasons-most of which are deregulation's, health care, taxes etc

yes there are trump supporters who are racist and are xenophobic by percentage however it is not that high, by the same token some democrats are certainly racist and xenophobic but also by a very small percentage.

For me the media has played a huge role in dividing our country by equating everything to race. It is simply not true I would guess that maybe 5% of Trump supporters are racist and maybe 4 percent of Democrats are racist.

It exists, its horrible, it is unacceptable-NO ONE should be discriminated against-all I am saying is that when people make sweeping statements against people who have a different opinion to jump to calling them a racist hurts the healing process and only divides the country more.
Stoked
cudevil
Post #70
Thursday October 12, 2017 11:27pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 524
Original post from blaise213

You want a screenshot of my DNA test?


Could give all of two effs about it. Doesn't change a thing.

cudevil
Post #71
Thursday October 12, 2017 11:31pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 524
Original post from stoked3

False. and again your comment is off base, you are lumping everyone together. Isn't that bigoted? Its so sad so many on the left use the "your a racist if your a republican". It seems like the people who make everything about race are the media and the left.

Could it be we just have a difference in opinion on: taxes, regulations, education, health ins, security etc ?

It is called a difference of opinion not that us Trump supporters are racist and or ok with people whom are.

Thats ridiculous


Nooope. Sorry. What you are saying is that you don't care if Trump is a racist, sexist piece of crap, who admits to assaulting women as long you get your tax reform. AKA, you're cool with racism, sexism, and the like.

Chance2bad
Cincinnati, OH
Post #72
Thursday October 12, 2017 11:45pm

Joined Jun 2017
Total Posts: 36
Original post from stoked3

You seem to get pretty angry quickly -why? you are the one who made the statement that all trump supporters were racist, not me. I doubt you voted for trump b.c that would have made you a racist, or as you put it will eventually be one.

To imply that I am racist is ridiculous.

BTW what disasters are referring too. It is ignorant to assume that if you voted for someone, anyone, that you then agree with all of their statements and or actions.

And regarding the flag. Colin K own quote was I am not going stand and show pride for a flag-so the guy who started it all disagrees with your assessment that it is not disrespectful.

BTW I agree with you, anyone who wears a hat or talks through the anthem is disrespecting the flag as well. I also agree it is their right to do so, it is just disrespectful.

thats the problem that you do not seem to get nor people on the left. Both statements can be correct at the same time.
1. it is disrespectful
2. it is completely their right to do so


Okay, I'll respond and them I'm done talking politics on here, if you want to continue our political discussion you an PM me.

First, I'm not angry. My original comment was probably 60% joke/40% truth.

I 100% did vote for Trump! I can't stand Hillary or our political system as a whole and therefore wanted to vote an outsider in. When it comes to politics I'm a centrist. For economical issues I'm very much a Republican and social issues I'm very much a Democrat. The disaster I speak of is Donald Trump himself. The incessant tweeting, the massive ego trips, the constant attacking of people who might take a different stand than him. How about his Inauguration stance that it was the most attended ever? That's the kind of disaster I'm talking about. If our President is willing to lie and make up stuff to stroke his ego about things that don't matter at all what's he willing to do when it's crunch time.

I'm in agreement with you about the media and it goes both ways. You can't get unbiased political reporting in this country anymore. Fox News acts like Trump is amazing, CNN and MSNBC can't stop talking about Russia. All AWFUL and WORTHLESS.

I disagree with you about the amount of racists that support Trump though. I'd say it's closer to 10%-15%, but that also includes people who discriminate as a whole. The main reason I've turned against the right lately is the ALT RIGHT. It's the only group in this country who thinks they have a right to discriminate. His Vice President is most certainly in that group. He passed legislation in his state to evict gay people cause you don't like them. The far right hides behind this term "religious freedom" which is essentially the right to discriminate gay people. That's the kind of stuff that makes me angry.

Overall I'm not sure what I wanted to accomplish with Trump, I didn't really think he would do anything for the middle class, but I really just wanted to throw a bomb in to Washington. In that respect I guess it's been successful, he's certainly shaken things up. But overall I think as the President he's a disaster, all he cares about is his image and calling the people out who cross him. That's also why I get surprised when someone still supports him who isn't a racist or bigot, you can still be a Republican without supporting Trump. I see people drinking the Kool-Aid and I just don't understand it.

If you gave me a re-vote though I'd probably still do the same thing, but 4 years will be enough, if he makes it that long.

You're welcome to PM me if you would like to continue this discussion.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #73
Friday October 13, 2017 12:03am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
@stoked3, I don't think we're that far apart, based on what you just said.
I will absolutely take your word for it- I have no special reason to doubt you.

I think it's THIS complicated:
-I would say that about half of Trump supporters and/or the hard right are prejudiced and ideologues in the ways that matter.
-I would say that a large fraction of liberals (let's say 1/3 for argument's sake) are prejudiced and ideologues in ways that matter (against whites and christians, especially, but they are also dangerously and unstrategically self-righteous puritans)
-of those named above, both sides would be tyrants if they could be
-AND YET I would say that only the right has neo-nazi level assholes of any number.

-A Clinton v Trump election proves that our system is broken, regardless of the winner.
I voted for Clinton because I find Trump to be actually evil and not just garbage, but make no mistake that I think Clinton is both dirty, and was an enormous tactical mistake for the Democrats.

-I would say that the Democrats are as dirty as the Republicans, but not as evil. I think that Democrat elites are happy to sell people's identity back to them in a piecemeal fashion, instead of going after real change.

-I do not think it makes sense for anyone outside the top 1% of the economy, even the conservatives, to support a winner-takes-all economy.

-I don not think it makes sense for anyone with a moral bone in their body to blame a typical illegal immigrant for crossing the border illegally. After that, choose whatever immigration policy that is pragmatic.

-I do not think it makes sense for anyone to think environmental issues are "bogus as a whole, with a few rare exceptions" the way the right does

-I don't think that any intelligent person who actually looks into data in a sober way can conclude that our justice system as a whole is fair, or that it is equally unfair.

-The right can grouse about entitlements, but as the current system is set up, rich corporations and their executives are the ones with the entitlements

-Our universities are broken in a particular liberal-puritan way.

-I think our media is garbage, but the propaganda and lying is far worse from the right, as borne out by fact-checking

-We have a nation-ending wanna-be-autocrat in the WH. I could say more particular things about him, like repeated attacks on the 1st Amendment, or gross incompetence, clear mental illness, clearly morally reprobate and so on.

-The only people on the right whom I have any intellectual or moral respect for are those who oppose Trump from the center, and for them I have massive amounts of respect. It is very difficult to find fault in 'your own team', but that's what a fraction of conservatives and Republicans have done, and some of them very early on. Incidentally, I have MORE respect for them, intellectually and morally, than I do for a random person on the left, because what they've done is harder on both fronts: they have admitted that they and their team are not always right.
This is one of the hardest things for people to do, period, in life- and apparently Chance2bad has at least some of that in him.
stoked3, setting aside any current argument as irrelevant in the big picture, I hope that in time you will, too, come to see him as an actual evil, irrespective of Clinton being garbage.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #74
Friday October 13, 2017 12:13am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
...and irrespective of your fight with Chance, here.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #75
Friday October 13, 2017 1:32am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,238
Oh for christs sake stop with the political bashing on each other. Everyone has their political leanings and opinions.

This is about how to fix a soccer team and program.

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