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Post #31
Wednesday October 11, 2017 7:35pm

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John Brooks will be back and be a staple for this defense when he is back healthy. That's not even a valid argument to drop him.

To be honest I see a Miazga/ Brooks partnership flourishing with EPB, CCV, Glad, O'Neil, Zimmerman vying for spots behind them.

Know Nothing
Post #32
Wednesday October 11, 2017 8:56pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,186
Playing 3 at the back seems in vogue right now so why not set a back three as a base, be it Miazga, CCV, Brooks with EPB and Glad put into the mix in case of injuries and suspensions.

From there, it's just a matter of getting the spacing right and whether we play a 3-4-3 or a 3-4-1-2.

I would propose Yedlin and Adams as potential wingbacks.

The two central midfielders are up in the air. They just need some mobility and the ability to pick a pass.

Pulisic...can operate as a #10 behind two forwards or operate as Deuce did as a floating striker.

Wood stays.

navi8132
New York
Post #33
Wednesday October 11, 2017 9:19pm

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I'll be honest, I might have a mini-meltdown if the November Friendlies calls in the same basic set of players with only 2 new ones (McKennie+JGonzalez). (and if Arena is still coaching it) I will send money to a fire gulati/arena advocacy organization that will put up billboards around highways.

Know Nothing
Post #34
Wednesday October 11, 2017 9:31pm

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Well I don't know the details, but I assume Arena is under contract until after the 2018 WC, so they will be paying him until then unless there are certain clauses.

We are also paying off the remainder of JK's contract.

I don't remember if they resolved things with the WNT, but if not, they now have the new argument that they at least qualify for and win World Cups.

So, I am sorry navi, my gut tells me we are stuck with him unless he resigns.

navi8132
New York
Post #35
Wednesday October 11, 2017 9:40pm

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Surely he doesn't call in the same players with just 2 additions........surely its majority new......
It needs to be even more experimental and young than the initial Gold Cup roster. It needs to be like an Olympic roster with like 4 overagers.

goods
Post #36
Wednesday October 11, 2017 10:03pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 355
The reason I am frustrated with Brooks is two fold:

-at both the club and international level he is far to inconsistent with his energy. He was not very good at the end of the Bundealiga last hear for Hedtha. He was awful in the first Costa Rica game. That could all change in a new setting at Wolfsburg. There is no doubt at all when he is on he is easily the best CB, we have. But when he is not it can be tough to watch.

-everytime he flies to the US he seems to come back to his club with a muscle or knee issue. To play in Europe for Club and in North America for international play you need to fly, and for whatever reason his body does not handle it. With the US not making the World Cup I would not be shocked to see them play alot of Euro friendlies now until the World Cup. That will limit his plane time.

Talent wise easily the best we have right now. I want to see more fight out of him and availability, which is your best asset.

Know Nothing
Post #37
Wednesday October 11, 2017 11:23pm

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Original post from goods

The reason I am frustrated with Brooks is two fold:

-at both the club and international level he is far to inconsistent with his energy. He was not very good at the end of the Bundealiga last hear for Hedtha. He was awful in the first Costa Rica game. That could all change in a new setting at Wolfsburg. There is no doubt at all when he is on he is easily the best CB, we have. But when he is not it can be tough to watch.

-everytime he flies to the US he seems to come back to his club with a muscle or knee issue. To play in Europe for Club and in North America for international play you need to fly, and for whatever reason his body does not handle it. With the US not making the World Cup I would not be shocked to see them play alot of Euro friendlies now until the World Cup. That will limit his plane time.

Talent wise easily the best we have right now. I want to see more fight out of him and availability, which is your best asset.


Well tying two threads together, someone pointed out that there was no heart out there. Sometimes players sense that and decide why should I bust my butt if nobody else is. Hard work and desire are infectious.

I have seen that in Brooks at times, but if the rest of the team is lacking he tends to switch off too.

This team needs a vocal in your face leader who gives his all everytime he is out there. Perhaps we can point towards Deuce losing the armband as the turning point.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #38
Wednesday October 11, 2017 11:51pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
Two thoughts, partial repeat (sorry):

1) If I were the next coach, I would draw a line in the sand and say:
Anyone involved in that WCQ campaign is exiled, but anyone who would be the right age for WC2022 can play his way back in. That means that even Brooks and Pulisic are exiled, on principle, until they prove it again in their club.

2) I will not watch a USMNT with Arena, Gulati, or any of the dogs from this cycle involved (I am not calling all of them a dog, just case by case). I will turn off the game mid-game if any of those dogs are even subbed in late, and I will immediately turn my back on the team until both Gulati are out and the US has already re-qualified for a WC. This may mean that within a few weeks I am throwing away my gear and spitting on the USMNT's grave. I will not stand for Gulati, or the shitty US Soccer pyramid any longer, or the Federation's structure, or SUM being a leech on the system.

I am not a fair-weather fan.
I've been a fan since a teen in 1989, through some real shit that younger fans may not understand: constantly having to watch games by myself, sometimes in person in the rain, in a stadium of 3,ooo people; being threatened for being a soccer fan, etc etc.

I am disgusted down to the bone with the displays from the USMNT in the past few years. From the 80's to WC2014 we were never, ever, ever the kind to roll over and have morale/effort problems of this kind or degree. Even the problems in 98 when Harkes fucked Wynalda's wife a few months before the WC, and a bit of nonsense in 2013 didn't rise to this level.
WE HAVE DUDES DOGGING IT ON THE FIELD FOR US. WE ARE NOT REAL MADRID OR BRAZIL. WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT SHIT.
WALK ACROSS THE FUCKING PUDDLE, YOU PUSSIES. ARE YOU NOT MEN?
Any squad that loses like dogs, and not like men, deserves my hatred.

I was wrong about players. I was wrong to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Altidore's work rate is unacceptable
MB is a #6 who is neither a creator nor a destroyer, so wtf is he?
Nagbe is lazy and made of porcelain, he's a psychological F player. I am not blaming him for the quality of the shot for goal #2, but watch his original position and his effort. It's F-.
And that's just a few of the supposed core players. We also have a horrible federation that refuses (I have Sunil's direct words to me on this, in writing, I fucking promise you) to try to find a way to work with youth clubs so that the coaches can get paid a living wage for developing players.

This is NOT just about a paucity of talent for this cycle, as reported by ASN. This is also about that squad being an embarrassment for long stretches of many game for about 3 years now, and the federation being a dumpster fire.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #39
Thursday October 12, 2017 12:12am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
I just turned off TSS about 1:30 in when Darryl said that "every player cared", because that is way too soft on those losers, and 'caring' isn't enough.

You care with your fucking legs. I'd love to see the stats on miles run for that game.

The media is being WAY too soft on those dogs.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #40
Thursday October 12, 2017 12:24am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
Hey, does anyone have BShredder's email?
PM me.

goods
Post #41
Thursday October 12, 2017 12:42am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 355
Original post from Know Nothing

Well tying two threads together, someone pointed out that there was no heart out there. Sometimes players sense that and decide why should I bust my butt if nobody else is. Hard work and desire are infectious.

I have seen that in Brooks at times, but if the rest of the team is lacking he tends to switch off too.

This team needs a vocal in your face leader who gives his all everytime he is out there. Perhaps we can point towards Deuce losing the armband as the turning point.


Granted Brooks is still relatively young but that leadership needed to be taught to him. Donovan was on radio here today and said in 2002 if you played a first half like that Jeff Argoos would have punched you at half. This team had a wanabee Zen master in Bradley. While the talent maybe lacking leadership never takes a day off,, and Bradley has been on Vacation. He failed guys like Brooks and Pulisic on how to lead, demanding more out of teammates and executing beyond your expectations.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #42
Thursday October 12, 2017 1:36am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
http://www.espnfc.us/video/espn-fc-tv/86/vide...

These guys get it.

TSS doesn't get it.

Dave
Post #43
Thursday October 12, 2017 3:18am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 741
Original post from mmee

1) If I were the next coach, I would draw a line in the sand and say:
Anyone involved in that WCQ campaign is exiled, but anyone who would be the right age for WC2022 can play his way back in. That means that even Brooks and Pulisic are exiled, on principle, until they prove it again in their club..


I'll all for exiling players. However, that being said we have to be able to build around something. Therefore there are a couple players I feel should NOT be exiled.....
1) Pulisic - He's one of the few players who has actually performed well consistently across the HEX. I can only think of 1 sub-par game for him since his introduction/involvement with the Sr. National Team.
2) John Brooks - Yes he's been inconsistent at times, but when on (Copa America) he is a player who can dominate against anyone. Having a guy like him to build the defense around is going to extremely important to start the re-building process. If he remains inconsistent....and CCV, EPB, Glad progress....than bench him.
3) Yedlin - Lets face it we don't have many outside back options. He's the best of the bunch we do have.
4) Wood - Plays with heart and determination. Until some of the other (Young) strikers step up he should be our starter.
5) Acosta & Roldan - Recent additions to the squad....should be given a chance to establish themselves as starters. However, they should be on a short leash and in direct competition with McKennie & J. Gonzales. Let all 4 fight it out for who's ranked where.
6) Morris & Arriola - Neither are great but they are young enough and talented enough to remain with the squad....for now. We have a number of young talented players I feel will push them aside in the no so distant future if they don't start making strides/progress themselves soon.

That's 2 WC Veterans, 1 rising start, 1 best of a shallow pool, and 4 young players who'll need to try and retain their roster spots amid a slew of challengers. The rest of the players in the pool should have to earn a chance, and anyone 27 or older right now Need not apply as far as I'm concerned.
Bring on the YOUTH Movement....
Keeper: Horvath, Gonzalez, Steffen, Hamid
Defense: Brooks, Miazga, CCV, EPB, Glad, Yedlin, TBD
Midfielders: Pulisic, McKennie, J. Gonzalez, Acosta, Roldan, Hyndman, Saief, Gooch, Arriola,
Forwards: Wood, Morris, Dwyer, TBD

blaise213
Post #44
Thursday October 12, 2017 3:32am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,431
Original post from mmee

http://www.espnfc.us/video/espn-fc-tv/86/vide...

These guys get it.

TSS doesn't get it.


Good post! Being a Trump supporter I've stopped watching espn and the NFL. Would've missed that!

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #45
Thursday October 12, 2017 3:38am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
I support your short list. I support your longer list. I support things resembling that list. None of those guys are dealbreakers for me, the way that MB, Nagbe, Altidore, FabJo and Chandler are, as just totally unacceptable levels of passion for the shirt, and they will never, ever be acceptable to me.
I mean passion = guts (e.g. to pass the ball forward ffs, to risk getting a card or take someone 1v1) + workrate + temper. Each of those 5 is lacking at least one of those. I want to see some temper from our guys now, even naive amounts of temper.

But I am saying in #1 that if it were me, I'd banish every last guy who was part of this until each of them individually proved otherwise. For Pulisic, that process is pretty fast since he'll play Bundesliga and possibly CL, but psychologically speaking, I'd make him go through it anyway.
In that case it is a psychological ritual, do you know what I mean?
Everyone who had any part in that team needs psychological purging even past the point of whether it's fair or not. You don't come back until you prove it for your club, again, clean slate, starting from zero.
I doubt the actual next coach will see it that way.

I am within a few weeks of turning my back on the USNT, because it'll either be:
-Arena still on board, or
-Gulati still on board, or
-one of those dogs in the squad in November

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