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navi8132
New York
Post #121
Saturday October 21, 2017 11:05pm

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Players in order of ballerness (only those who I think will be future USMNT dudes):

#1- Sargent
#2- Weah
#3- Durkin
#4- Goslin

Rey Regicide
Post #122
Sunday October 22, 2017 2:13am

Joined Sep 2013
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Do you see Weah breaking through at PSG or will he do it somewhere else?

I honestly think Durkin is the one who's most ready for our national team. that is a crazy talking here... I think he is as good as Derrick Jones.

navi8132
New York
Post #123
Sunday October 22, 2017 2:27am

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Tim Weah might have the higher ceiling. I think Durkin needs to get the hell out of MLS,

SamHays1999
Kansas
Post #124
Sunday October 22, 2017 5:29am

Joined May 2017
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Yeah, Weah higher ceiling, breaking through at PSG is very questionable though, I think he'll have to go elsewhere. For Durkin, yep, he's more ready right now probably, and he needs to get into Europe asap I think. Get to one of the clubs that develops good too. A Dortmund, an Ajax, a Monaco, one of those.

Jzaval01
Post #125
Wednesday October 25, 2017 2:30pm

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Englands U20 won the world cup now englands U17 a finalist in this youth world cup. Not only that but this U17 team doesnt play the typical long ball and physical ala english style.

If any of you were alive Germany used to play the physical and long ball over the top decades ago and they have evolved.

Looks like our u17 has also evolved from the full mens national team. But when if ever will we reap the rewards of change of style? Seems like everyone finding the answer ala belgium iceland germany england spain but were lost in the dust.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #126
Wednesday October 25, 2017 5:14pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Uhm not lost in the dust. OurU17's played well. Let's not forget that the two previous u17 teams crashed and burned. 2013 didn't make it to the WC and 2015 u17's looked hapless in the group stage. This team made it to the quarterfinals. And our u20 teams 2015 and 2017 made into the QF stage. There are legit players being produced. People need to
Calm down.

dolcem
Post #127
Wednesday October 25, 2017 10:53pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,786
Original post from Jzaval01

Englands U20 won the world cup now englands U17 a finalist in this youth world cup. Not only that but this U17 team doesnt play the typical long ball and physical ala english style.

If any of you were alive Germany used to play the physical and long ball over the top decades ago and they have evolved.

Looks like our u17 has also evolved from the full mens national team. But when if ever will we reap the rewards of change of style? Seems like everyone finding the answer ala belgium iceland germany england spain but were lost in the dust.


Remember when Mexico started killing it at the youth tournaments? Results at the youth level don't mean much. Not saying that England can't evolve, but it's premature to say that they have.
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chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #128
Wednesday October 25, 2017 11:06pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,373
We'll be half way there talent wise in 2022...It will all come together in the 2026 WC for us.

navi8132
New York
Post #129
Wednesday October 25, 2017 11:34pm

Joined Jul 2012
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We've been saying stuff like that for so long, but I have yet to see a team be better than the 2002 team (15 YEARS AGO).

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #130
Thursday October 26, 2017 1:40am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,373
Yeah, I know, but we have 10X the number of quality young players now...and gaining more depth every cycle...playing on big teams. 2002 was a great team, but after the top 14-15 players it dropped off the table. By 2022 we will be bitching about quality players that were left off the team.

Rey Regicide
Post #131
Thursday October 26, 2017 2:01pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Honestly, I was watching the repeats of the 2014 world cup. We went toe to toe with Germany and Belgium. Belgium being a paper heavyweight (like on paper).

I hate to repeat the trite cliche story, but we had our best talent at that world cup. We just played worse than the 2002 team. But again 2002 we lost to South Korea and a good German team.

2014 we lost to Belgium and arguably the best German team in their history. Or maybe not best, but one of their better. Def than 2002.

And yea we lost in 2017 to everybody in concacaf, but today's concacaf is better. if we say MLS is better, then concacaf is better, they're both better because of their relationships to each other.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #132
Thursday October 26, 2017 4:42pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 975
Original post from Rey Regicide

Honestly, I was watching the repeats of the 2014 world cup. We went toe to toe with Germany and Belgium. Belgium being a paper heavyweight (like on paper).

I hate to repeat the trite cliche story, but we had our best talent at that world cup. We just played worse than the 2002 team. But again 2002 we lost to South Korea and a good German team.

2014 we lost to Belgium and arguably the best German team in their history. Or maybe not best, but one of their better. Def than 2002.

And yea we lost in 2017 to everybody in concacaf, but today's concacaf is better. if we say MLS is better, then concacaf is better, they're both better because of their relationships to each other.


During any given single match (most of the matches) with Bob Bradley & Bruce Arena's teams, it always felt like we would either lose or draw the match... We were never a confident bunch, we were playing scared in 2018.

That changed under JK, in 2014, I felt we had depth at almost all positions.
TBH, I loved the games under JK, regardless of the players who were available/not available.

2006? BA totally screwed it up...

dolcem
Post #133
Friday October 27, 2017 10:03pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,786
Original post from Rey Regicide

I hate to repeat the trite cliche story, but we had our best talent at that world cup. We just played worse than the 2002 team. But again 2002 we lost to South Korea and a good German team.



Not even close.

Our style of play in 2014 required a target forward but we were without one for nearly the entire thing (Altidore's injury). You can say it's Klinsmann's fault for not bringing Boyd but no one knew Altidore would get hurt and Wondo served as a good bench player (motivation, stoppage-time poacher).

We didn't have Donovan, and Bradley played some of the worst soccer of his career. 2014 was the prime of the lost generation. I mean we had guys like Zusi, Beckerman, and Davis getting serious minutes. Beasley played at left back. We didn't have a Reyna, a Bocanegra, a Cherundolo, a McBride.

We had more MLS players than any World Cup since '98. 2014 was our weakest edition since then.
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goods
Post #134
Monday October 30, 2017 5:07pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 554
Wow England blew away Spain. Makes losing to them a little easier but that team is loaded with attacking options.

Know Nothing
Post #135
Monday October 30, 2017 6:49pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,324
Original post from goods

Wow England blew away Spain. Makes losing to them a little easier but that team is loaded with attacking options.


Yeah, winning the U-20 and U-17 WC's, the U-19 Euros, and beaten finalists in U-21 this year sort of puts how their academy setup is starting to reap dividends.

I think it also pokes holes in the argument that young players should not sign with English clubs. They may never play at the highest level in England, but they will get good training.

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