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PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #61
Thursday October 12, 2017 5:45pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Original post from cudevil

These kids are 17. I'm not sure you can use anything about this performance as a basis for needing change.


It can signal a change in how we approach coaching, player identification, and identifying a style of play. Those are three really big changes that can affect our long term status as a soccer nation.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #62
Thursday October 12, 2017 5:49pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,238
Possible match ups for round of 16:

Paraguay who was winner of group of group B

Or who ever wins Group C: Iran or Germany.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #63
Thursday October 12, 2017 5:51pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 176
I see a whole lot of "problem identifiers" in the world today, which is always the first step to fixing something. Anyone can do this. What sets great people apart in history is that they can lay out a plan of how to affect the problem that is identified. This stays true in all aspects of life, we need a leader who can lay out a plan at every level.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #64
Thursday October 12, 2017 6:08pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,238
Sargent needs help up there. I would practice in and play a 3-5-2 in the next game:

--Sargent-- Weah--
----Acosta----
Gloster---Durkin--Goslin-Dest
--Shaver--Sands--Lindsey
---Garces----

cudevil
Post #65
Thursday October 12, 2017 6:21pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 524
Original post from PortCityFan

I see a whole lot of "problem identifiers" in the world today, which is always the first step to fixing something. Anyone can do this. What sets great people apart in history is that they can lay out a plan of how to affect the problem that is identified. This stays true in all aspects of life, we need a leader who can lay out a plan at every level.


I think a big issue is what the vision of the u17 (and even U20) set up should be. Results should be secondary. Same with style of play. The fact is that getting 4-6 regulars for the senior team that were also regulars in the U17/U20's is rare. For me, the teams need to be good enough to get as many games as possible at the highest youth levels possible so that they have better opportunities to be signed by bigger, better clubs. Being part of the youth set up at an Ajax, a Dortmund, a Schalke, etc. will be far more beneficial to development for the senior team than whatever results are generated as a squad in youth tourneys.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #66
Thursday October 12, 2017 7:20pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 176
The style of play is something more focused on the senior squad, we have no identity. I'm not disagreeing with you on that. But two top coaches in the US systems in the last week can't prepare their teams to close out big games is something that pertains to changes for the whole program. Are these coaches that Il-equipped (we all know what Bruce brings)? We have to start producing better coaches than John Hackworth, Richie Williams, Bruce Arena, Caleb Porter, Bob Bradley, etc. it is getting better but what more can be done? How can we speed up the process by getting more second and third generation soccer players involved in the coaching process. I myself am a first generation player, a referee, and a coach. That's how most of the non academy areas are, what should be done to get more quality coaches spread out over a larger area? It costs $4000 to get to an A level coach license in the US, in other countries it is between $800 and $1500.

navi8132
New York
Post #67
Thursday October 12, 2017 8:05pm

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The problems in this U-17 side was evident since the game against India. John Hackworth doesn't value wingers/midfield width and players who can connect with strikers, instead fixating on having as much firepower at the striker spots. For this tournament it has been a weird sort of 4-2-2-2, where it is like Durkin and Goslin as defensive and holding midfielders, and then the most problematic in the next 2 being Carleton out wide left and either Acosta/Ferri at CAM AND THEN NO ONE OCCUPIES the right wing! This is VERY problematic because Carleton in the first place is not a traditional winger, does not provide crosses, and doesn't even combine well with other players or sees good passing lanes to strikers (Carleton is overrated and does have moments of brilliance doing things outside of his job at left wing.....well that just means he isn't all that effective at his TRUE job of left winger/midfielder). Therefore effectively there is only one route to the strikers and that is the CAM alone. That's freaking ridiculous and was never going to work. Instead of putting someone out on the right wing, Hackworth just says ahhh eff it and throws in TWO MORE STRIKERS in the game (Reyes and Weah). Ridiculous coaching. US coaching isn't capable of making the decisions necessary to get the striker service/connection from midfield.

Know Nothing
Post #68
Thursday October 12, 2017 8:17pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,186
Original post from cudevil

I think a big issue is what the vision of the u17 (and even U20) set up should be. Results should be secondary. Same with style of play. The fact is that getting 4-6 regulars for the senior team that were also regulars in the U17/U20's is rare. For me, the teams need to be good enough to get as many games as possible at the highest youth levels possible so that they have better opportunities to be signed by bigger, better clubs. Being part of the youth set up at an Ajax, a Dortmund, a Schalke, etc. will be far more beneficial to development for the senior team than whatever results are generated as a squad in youth tourneys.


I agree for the most part, but winning is something that can be learned and sometimes consequences for not winning can be a proper motivation to do better.

There is a successful youth coach out there looking for his next gig. Perhaps hire him as a consultant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Viveash

navi8132
New York
Post #69
Saturday October 14, 2017 5:33am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,694
We are playing Paraguay on Monday morning for knockout round.

navi8132
New York
Post #70
Monday October 16, 2017 2:59am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,694
I really hope they have a dedicated RM/RW on the field tommorow.......this whole time that position has been blank on the pitch

SamHays1999
Kansas
Post #71
Monday October 16, 2017 8:58am

Joined May 2017
Total Posts: 156
Original post from navi8132

I really hope they have a dedicated RM/RW on the field tommorow.......this whole time that position has been blank on the pitch


What I've heard is that Weah can play the position, it's just that he's not great there and flat out better as a center forward, so that makes it a bit tougher for us.

Jzaval01
Post #72
Monday October 16, 2017 3:01pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,244
Sargent, akinola, weah and carleton all starting... Not a fan of Carleton at CAM unless this is a 4-4-2

navi8132
New York
Post #73
Monday October 16, 2017 3:09pm

Joined Jul 2012
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This looks like a 3-2-2-3 formation. Good god......its even more narrow....with no true wide midfielders and no natural wingers.

navi8132
New York
Post #74
Monday October 16, 2017 4:35pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,694
Original post from navi8132

This looks like a 3-2-2-3 formation. Good god......its even more narrow....with no true wide midfielders and no natural wingers.


Ok, now that 1st half is over, I see it was actually a 4-2-1-3. A ridiculous lineup given Weah and Akinola when they pull back to defend are not able to hold the ball or smoothly pass the ball. This whole game has been nothing more than KICKBALL of punting long balls to Akinola on the right flank of the top 3 and hoping you can counter (straight to goal or cross to goal). This is such a regression of US Soccer. A travesty. Yes, they are up 1-0, but there is a bigger point to youth soccer than trying to eek out a victory with trying to do quick counters and disregarding smooth build up play with midfielders who don't lose the ball and who find effective passing lanes.

goods
Post #75
Monday October 16, 2017 4:43pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 355
Tim Weah with an amazing goal out of the box. Wow

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