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navi8132
New York
Post #31
Wednesday October 11, 2017 6:13am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,781
I would like to find out the inflation adjusted average family income (when the players were 17 years old) of the players on the USMNT 2002 WC, 1994 WC, and 2017 WC qualifying teams and compare them. My guess would be that it has been more and more upper class and middle class families that our (spoiled, non-gritty, non-balsy) players are coming from.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #32
Wednesday October 11, 2017 6:29am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
This isn't really where the lack of grit comes from. It comes from a) the player pool being too small and b) most of these dudes being too job-secure for club and country and c) coaching and player selection problems

A bigger player pool would mean more lower class kids, because the pyramid would be working correctly, not because no athletes can ever come from the upper middle class.

Like..... man Nagbe has had a challenging life, I'm sure, but he has 0 grit.

federov
Post #33
Wednesday October 11, 2017 6:35am

Joined Dec 2014
Total Posts: 96
It's a systematic problem. Gulati has no accountability. MLS players have no accountability. MLS owners have no accountability. Pay to play at the youth level? A result of a system that does not properly hold people accountable for their mistakes. It's so fascinating to me to see a country that preaches a free market opportunity for all turn its back on sports.

This closed system breeds metiocrity and does not even come close to replicating a culture of accountability. There were problems with the roster-yes-but make no mistake-this country should have an amazing league that churns out quality players. We should have a federation that encourages an open market where owners may spend money as they please and players may be held accountable for their poor performances.

You can have all the change you want: better scouting, better coach, better media accountability. Whatever.

If the system does not change, we will fail again and again. If we are not held accountable theough an open system from age 8 to 30, we will fail.

I am not shocked and I am not upset. This is a symptom of a larger issue we have failed to solve.

Wake up.

admsghs27
Post #34
Wednesday October 11, 2017 7:28am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
ILL PROBABLY DRINK MY SELF TO DEATH BY THEN!!!!

admsghs27
Post #35
Wednesday October 11, 2017 7:31am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
FUCK US SOCCER WE ARE A JOKE!!!!

skangles
DC
Post #36
Wednesday October 11, 2017 12:28pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,300
This isnt something that would seriously happen but I would watch a NIT-esque mini tournament featuring us, Chile, the Netherlands and the Ivory Coast next summer.

johnvuke
Dallas
Post #37
Wednesday October 11, 2017 1:45pm

Joined Aug 2016
Total Posts: 26
this will require a multi year, probably more than one generation to fully fix. You're talking a complete revamp of the youth system (which is more than overdue) which means all these clubs set up to profit need to be torn down, which means people with heavy financial ties to clubs are set to lose out (I'm totally cool with that by the way, pay to play is stupid). But, in order for that to be fully beneficial, you also need a revamp in MLS rules, so MLS clubs can actually profit off of developing a youth player....that'll require a move away from single entity...which means Garber and the MLS owners need to change....good luck with that!

The best thing that could be done for the short term is ship off any player from this roster over the age of 26. Just be done with them. In 5 years, they won't and shouldn't be around, so there is zero incentive to continue to carry them....

Play your best U-20 and U-17's every opportunity you can, showcase the heck out of them and get them out of MLS as early as possible so they can develop in an environment where they have to compete day in, and day out for every minute they play. Aggressive pursue dual nationals, and pray that this failure doesn't decide for CCV, Gonzalez, Weah and any other, which federation they'll play for....and do it all tomorrow! Hire a coach that will stand up to Sunil (he won't go anywhere unless he loses the election), MLS, and the USSF youth set up....and play a style of football that gets the most out of your best players....not a style that plays down to your Villafana's, Zusi's and rest of the crap that littler the current roster.

I would love to be a fly on a wall, and hear what a coach would say to captain bradley after a game, where he jogged about for 90 minutes....He'd be benched the next day, and replaced with a new player the first chance the manager had. Here, he's auto starter 90 minutes for club and country....

goods
Post #38
Wednesday October 11, 2017 3:49pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 453
On the BeIN post game show they were talking about that. How he was questioned regarding energy after the Costa Rica game. The interviewer asked how do you improve the lack of energy, and he said no we have great energy I disagree with you. That is not a leader, that is somebody collecting a check.

I think it will not take multiple generations. Klinnsman for all his issues, actually started the fix. While the bigger named players went to MLS, he pushed kids like Wright, MckInnie, Miazga to Europe. I bet truth be told he recommended Sargent to wait and go to Europe. This loss was put into motion 7 to 8 years ago when we had lost at youth levels over and over again.

One area that needs to change MLS academies and unwillingness to sell kids., and the rules limiting a team to want to sell. The Red Bulls do it right, they are not scared to sell a player. Granted at some point you have to keep them, but MLS is not quite there yet. You change the selling rules it will make the US game younger and more athletic.

tylercocinas
Post #39
Wednesday October 11, 2017 4:27pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,113
Original post from goods
I think it will not take multiple generations. Klinnsman for all his issues, actually started the fix. While the bigger named players went to MLS, he pushed kids like Wright, MckInnie, Miazga to Europe. I bet truth be told he recommended Sargent to wait and go to Europe. This loss was put into motion 7 to 8 years ago when we had lost at youth levels over and over again.


We papered over the cracks for way too long. Cycle after cycle for about 6-7yrs failed. We need the next 5 years to give the players who are showing promise time to mature. We need to acknowledge that Jurgen Klinsmann was right, our best players need to be competing in Europe. We have to continue creating a system that raises talented players who are ready to go when they turn 18, if they don't have a passport to get to Europe sooner. To this point we have been creating talented players IN SPITE of US Soccer, and not because of it. If we don't address those issues we'll continue to fail.

admsghs27
Post #40
Wednesday October 11, 2017 4:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
I could care less WTF happens between now and 2022. Wake me up when we qualify for Qatar. Whether is with a bunch of teenagers or a bunch of old players coming out of retirement. Donovan, bocanegra, cherundolo, lalas, ramos, keller, mc bride, twellman etc...

dunlopp9987
Post #41
Wednesday October 11, 2017 7:43pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,564
Original post from admsghs27

I could care less WTF happens between now and 2022. Wake me up when we qualify for Qatar. Whether is with a bunch of teenagers or a bunch of old players coming out of retirement. Donovan, bocanegra, cherundolo, lalas, ramos, keller, mc bride, twellman etc...


Weren't you the one always accusing others on this site of not being real fans of the USMNT? How do you explain your tantrum?
COYB!!
Know Nothing
Post #42
Wednesday October 11, 2017 9:03pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,241
Anybody have any stats as to the percentage of players who went through residency at Bradenton that went on to win over 5 caps?

cudevil
Post #43
Wednesday October 11, 2017 9:10pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 547
Why hasn't Arena been fired yet? It will be infuriating if he's coaching November friendlies...

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #44
Wednesday October 11, 2017 9:20pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 176
Original post from Know Nothing

Anybody have any stats as to the percentage of players who went through residency at Bradenton that went on to win over 5 caps?

From the US soccer website about the residency program as of March this year.

A total of 33 Residency players have registered at least one cap with the full MNT: Kellyn Acosta, Freddy Adu, Gale Agbossoumonde, Juan Agudelo, Jozy Altidore, Paul Arriola, DaMarcus Beasley, Kyle Beckerman, Michael Bradley, Bobby Convey, Landon Donovan, Greg Garza, Eddie Gaven, Luis Gil, Omar Gonzalez, Joe Gyau, Eddie Johnson, Perry Kitchen, Eric Lichaj, Justin Mapp, Chad Marshall, Dax McCarty, Oguchi Onyewu, Heath Pearce, Christian Pulisic, Santino Quaranta, Robbie Rogers, Rubio Rubin, Brek Shea, Jonathan Spector, Danny Szetela and Anthony Wallace.

Don't know the percentage but 33 out of 18 years worth of players

Know Nothing
Post #45
Wednesday October 11, 2017 9:21pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,241
Quick check of over 113 names from an old wikipedia page and off the top of my head only these names stick out:

Freddy Adu
Jozy Altidore
DaMarcus Beasley
Kyle Beckerman
Bobby Convey
Landon Donovan
Aron Jóhannsson
Eddie Johnson
Perry Kitchen
Eric Lichaj
Justin Mapp
Oguchi Onyewu
Michael Parkhurst
Heath Pearce
Santino Quaranta
Robbie Rogers
Brek Shea
Jonathan Spector

Well the list was longer than I anticipated, so the point I was going to try and make isn't valid

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